youmakemesik Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 Ok, the first thing I'm gonna say is, I don't want this thread to get locked due to over-heated debates and/or cursing, etc... So please don't lose your temper here... Now, my question is, WHAT is ripping? I know the basics of what it is, but just after the 'jabraulter incident' I was just wondering, what would cross the line of ripping? Cause up until this point, my definition of ripping has always been along the lines of: "To steal (or use) features from another artwork, as features of your own creation, without permission and acknowledgement"... K so, the main reason I started this thread was casue the majority of the board seems to think ripping (tracing) lines from a photograph is not ripping... Now, I CAN understand that, I'm not stupid, but if you think of it logically, photography is a form of artwork... Along with other forms such as sculpture, architecture, painting, etc, photography is also a form... Now your opinion may alter or change, due to the fact that we use cases of 'forum signatures' as samples/examples of ripping, but in reality, if photography is considered a form of art, is using the lines of a photograph and directly tracing over them, is that not ripping, just in another 'degree'? Also, the second question I'd ask is, if someone (such as Peter, he does some nice ones) posts some photograph's, and I deliberately traced DIRECTLY over his photographs linework, and then went as far as to claim, that it was MY artwork, is that not ripping?! Why I ask this second question is casue if you believe claiming something (of someone elses possesion) is yours, after tracing directly over it, then that would change your opinion of what ripping is (if you believed the 'jabrualter incident' was not ripping)... Oh and by-the-way, Jabrualter, I'm not trying to get you abnned or anything, believe me, I'm just curious and trying to make a point at the same time, so it might seem as if I'm all against you, but ya gottta understand, thx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kedai Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 tracing over a photo is not ripping. tracing over a photo and saying its your own, is ripping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forsaken Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 It depends on what type of picture your talking about, imo. In this case, he was attempting to get a proper pose of a person, by taking a picture of a person and tracing the lines, that i believe is just taking referencing one step further, i don't endorse it, nor do i believe it is 'wrong'. If he is copying a picture of a landscape for example, then i would find that wrong. It's just the essence of it, some might find it hard to draw say an arm of a person in a certain pose without aid, due to perspective/proportion issues. Imo, if you ever happen to question 'Is what i'm doing right or wrong?' - It usually turns out to be the wrong thing. If your really sitting on the fence, then message someone, ie a moderator. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoked Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 anything that you didn't make yourself is ripping, unless you have the consent of the original creator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
furious3 Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 Well it seems pretty obvious in my eyes, If you did not 100% draw something, then claim that you have, It's ripping.. well that's not what I'd call it, but everyone uses that term so, lol. :P If you're attempting to make a sig and you need a little insperation, I think it's okay to go look at other pictures for ideas, that's okay, but if you take that exact picture, and trace over it(copy it) then that is ripping. Pretty much, if you take somebody elses work, and claim it as your own, that's ripping, Imo. :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youmakemesik Posted December 3, 2004 Author Share Posted December 3, 2004 K, I'm read both your comments and thought about them... But just a question bout forsaken's comment: I don't see how you can think that way though :? I mean, I sort of know where you're coming from, but I just don't see how ripping the direct linework of a landscape is ripping, yet ripping the direct linework of a body/human is not ripping :? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youmakemesik Posted December 3, 2004 Author Share Posted December 3, 2004 K, just read Stoked's and furious3's comments, and I've got them in my mind also, thanks for replyin guys... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forsaken Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 K, I'm read both your comments and thought about them... But just a question bout forsaken's comment: I don't see how you can think that way though :? I mean, I sort of know where you're coming from, but I just don't see how ripping the direct linework of a landscape is ripping, yet ripping the direct linework of a body/human is not ripping :? Hard to explain, but, when you copy the landscape, you have the sole intent of copying it, but when you usually have someone who copies a stance or pose, they have the idea beforehand, just lack the skill in being able to draw it, so they search and copy something similiar. Close to ripping, but not quite, at least that's how i think of it. (: . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X3ro Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 This is ripping, what I did: Owned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4K Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 This is ripping, what I did: Owned :roll: And the others.. from that website.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Led-Zeppelin Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 Tracing isn't ripping IMO. It's what little children do, thats all. If you tace to make sigs, your a little child, not a ripper. If you don't say you traced it, it makes you dishonest, not a ripper. For it to be a ripper, would be to take the cut tool, cut around the figure, then to paste it onto the sig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowgravity Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 People shouldn't rip anything, I reckon that if you didn't make something 100% yours then you have ripped it, unless you have received permission.. If idiots didn't rip anything in the first place we wouldn't have to "Talk" about it :roll: . Lowgravity, I want to be just like you. But...I never will be as 1337 as you. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Led-Zeppelin Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 People shouldn't rip anything, I reckon that if you didn't make something 100% yours then you have ripped it, unless you have received permission.. If idiots didn't rip anything in the first place we wouldn't have to "Talk" about it :roll: . Cause the creator of your sig obviously got permission from Matt Parker and Trey Stone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercifull Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 Tracing is not ripping at all. Tracing is tracing. :-/ As long as the person says that they traces an image thats not ripping at all. A photograph is a depiction of a single frame of real life. If sombody traces a pictures of a sculpture who is ripping from who? They are both 3 completely different mediums Led-Zeppelin is right with his defenition. I think Tracing is perfectly fine but if you don't say you traced it, it makes you dishonest, not a ripper. Ripping is when people claim other work to be their own. A tracing of a photograph is not ripping. It is art immitating art. Mercifull <3 Suzi "We don't want players to be able to buy their way to success in RuneScape. If we let players start doing this, it devalues RuneScape for others. We feel your status in real-life shouldn't affect your ability to be successful in RuneScape" Jagex 01/04/01 - 02/03/12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowgravity Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 People shouldn't rip anything, I reckon that if you didn't make something 100% yours then you have ripped it, unless you have received permission.. If idiots didn't rip anything in the first place we wouldn't have to "Talk" about it :roll: . Cause the creator of your sig obviously got permission from Matt Parker and Trey Stone? Maybe he did? And where did I say it wasn't ripped? :roll: Lowgravity, I want to be just like you. But...I never will be as 1337 as you. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercifull Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 If i put a picture of a person i got from a stock site in my sig is that ripping? Unless i explicitly state that "I, Matthew Sims, took this picture and created the sig all on my own." then I am not ripping anything. Mercifull <3 Suzi "We don't want players to be able to buy their way to success in RuneScape. If we let players start doing this, it devalues RuneScape for others. We feel your status in real-life shouldn't affect your ability to be successful in RuneScape" Jagex 01/04/01 - 02/03/12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 1_Hit_Quit Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 theirs a difference, you do not trace a pose to get it... its 100% ripping if you trace something, But if you would like to look @ it to see how some1 else did it, thats fine... as long as it is your work without copying... I agree with youmake... 150% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercifull Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 theirs a difference, you do not trace a pose to get it... its 100% ripping if you trace something, But if you would like to look @ it to see how some1 else did it, thats fine... as long as it is your work without copying... I agree with youmake... 150% rofl thats rubbish. if i take a picture of my own car and then trace it, am i ripping from the car manufacturer? Its obvious its a drawing of a car and not the real thing Mercifull <3 Suzi "We don't want players to be able to buy their way to success in RuneScape. If we let players start doing this, it devalues RuneScape for others. We feel your status in real-life shouldn't affect your ability to be successful in RuneScape" Jagex 01/04/01 - 02/03/12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keiphus Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 Well I have intentionally not responded to this topic for a while, just to see what some of you children would come up with. So far, the most accurate definition of ripping vs. tracing can be a summation of Mercifull's comments. Just because you trace a picture does not mean you are ripping. They are completely different things. Does anyone remember those Vector's I did of myself and those 3 girls? Those were traced over photographs. Do you really think I would sit here and try and accurately draw them in Illustrator, when I could just take a picture of them and go from there? It would all yield the same result. In the real world it's about being practical, and doing things as efficiently as possible. It's an extra step in referencing, something all digital artists do. That's like saying rotoscoping a walk cycle is ripping...... I don't think what Jabraulter did was ripping, but I do laugh at the production he and alot of you, made out of it. Talk about blowing things out of proportion. I have to get back to business, more on this later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X3ro Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 Lowgravity, nice ripped sig. EDit > here's the real sig: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4K Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 Lowgravity, nice ripped sig. EDit > here's the real sig: This cant be true :evil: What ever happend to people on these boards i rember when i had a different name about 1 yr ago, No one ever ripped never! :roll: All rippers should get a warning on these boards under their avy or something... Like 1st waring! - Great sliver worm ... etc Or under your name 74.3% from being banned lol :shock: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercifull Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 Misterxman SOLD it to Lowgravity :P How about you research before accusing ;) Mercifull <3 Suzi "We don't want players to be able to buy their way to success in RuneScape. If we let players start doing this, it devalues RuneScape for others. We feel your status in real-life shouldn't affect your ability to be successful in RuneScape" Jagex 01/04/01 - 02/03/12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowgravity Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 Heres a picture that X3ro "Made" and tryed to put into a competition, he was caught + pwned. (Note the large scaled one wasn't made by him). Lowgravity, I want to be just like you. But...I never will be as 1337 as you. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zdragonblader Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 If i put a picture of a person i got from a stock site in my sig is that ripping? Unless i explicitly state that "I, Matthew Sims, took this picture and created the sig all on my own." then I am not ripping anything. Also, if somebody put a picture on a stock site that means they are giving anybody permission to use it for any 'real' non-profit use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X3ro Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 This is ripping, what I did: Owned I know I ripped it so [bleep]in what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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