Lowgravity Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 So you run around saying "OMG YOU RIPPER YOU SHOULD BE BANNED" when really you are the only ripper here :roll: . Lowgravity, I want to be just like you. But...I never will be as 1337 as you. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4K Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 This is ripping, what I did: Owned I know I ripped it so * what? This isn't the only one he has ripped many more.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quer_Skulll Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 This isn't the only one he has ripped many more.. like what? its a false accusation if you dont have any proof to proof it, innocent untill proven otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Deximus Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 This is ripping, what I did: Owned I know I ripped it so * what? thats not a very nice attitude to take is it, if everyone took that attitude boards wouldnt be a nice place, seems to me you enjoyed the fake gratitude and when you were exposed "ripping" you lost it. Perhaps it was the 1st time, perhaps not, regardless from now on make your own work :wink: you have some skill :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrothKahn Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 Well I have intentionally not responded to this topic for a while, just to see what some of you children would come up with. So far, the most accurate definition of ripping vs. tracing can be a summation of Mercifull's comments. Just because you trace a picture does not mean you are ripping. They are completely different things. Does anyone remember those Vector's I did of myself and those 3 girls? Those were traced over photographs. Do you really think I would sit here and try and accurately draw them in Illustrator, when I could just take a picture of them and go from there? It would all yield the same result. In the real world it's about being practical, and doing things as efficiently as possible. It's an extra step in referencing, something all digital artists do. That's like saying rotoscoping a walk cycle is ripping...... I don't think what Jabraulter did was ripping, but I do laugh at the production he and alot of you, made out of it. Talk about blowing things out of proportion. I have to get back to business, more on this later. Finally someone who knows what they are talking about. /\ I really couldn't be bothered explaining that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Led-Zeppelin Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 People shouldn't rip anything, I reckon that if you didn't make something 100% yours then you have ripped it, unless you have received permission.. If idiots didn't rip anything in the first place we wouldn't have to "Talk" about it :roll: . Cause the creator of your sig obviously got permission from Matt Parker and Trey Stone? Maybe he did? And where did I say it wasn't ripped? :roll: Well, to me it looks as though your pretty "anti-rip", then you go and say that your sig may somewhat be ripped? I agree with what Keiphus said. If you can get a better result by tracing, why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jabraulter Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 Look what i have done... :( do you people just want me to leave? i've obviously created a huge argument. i think ill just leave tip it if thats what will make everyone happy, cuz thats what im getting out of this. or maybe i shouldnt have apologized? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoneandonly Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 Jabraulter: Personally I have no info on this 'jabraulter incident", so therefore not decide whether you should leave or not. But I don;t think you should be so mellow dramatic. Low Gravity: I really think you should have left this thread alone, it's done you a lot more harm then good. Although now that it's too late... The Thread: I agree mostly with what Keiphus said, althought the qualifications for something be ripped shoudl be a little wider then what you suggested. For one, I could easily find some picture on the internet, and it looks cool or something, and you want to trace it and make a cool sig. If you do that, is it ripping. I do not exactly think so, unless the picture has already been traced by someone else. Also traced sigs should not be sold even for RS money, becaseu that, in a way is making money off someone elses work, or at least something 45% thier work. and 45% in my oppinion is enough to have the photographer accnolaged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youmakemesik Posted December 4, 2004 Author Share Posted December 4, 2004 Look what i have done... :( do you people just want me to leave? i've obviously created a huge argument. i think ill just leave tip it if thats what will make everyone happy, cuz thats what im getting out of this. or maybe i shouldnt have apologized? Sry if I sound like I'm constantly accusing you, by bringing up the 'jabraulter incident', it's just that I'm using this case as an example to go on from... Now, firstly, Xero, get the **** off my thread... Secondly, LowGravity and everyone else complaining with him, please stop sometime soon... Anyway, I'm gonna try and 'question' or 'dis-prove' each of these explanations as best as i can... Does anyone remember those Vector's I did of myself and those 3 girls? Those were traced over photographs. Do you really think I would sit here and try and accurately draw them in Illustrator, when I could just take a picture of them and go from there? It would all yield the same result. Erm, I really don't think this makes sense... How does taking a picture of a pre-made girl and working on from there, yield the same result as you illustrating/drawing the girl up personally? I really don't think it does, cause your using someone else's artwork and they would have their own style/skill/etc... Not to mention that THEY made it, and you'd have to explain that you didn't make the linework... Btw, why do you speak of us as "children", when in reality, we may be older or more mature then you... Oh and I have no idea what "roto-scoping a walk cycle is ripping" means, so I won't say anything to that... rofl thats rubbish. if i take a picture of my own car and then trace it, am i ripping from the car manufacturer? Its obvious its a drawing of a car and not the real thing Um, waht are you talking about? Casue first you said you "took a picture" of the car, and later, you speak of it as a "drawing of a car, and not the real thing"... But if you mean you take a photograph of your own car and trace it, no, that is obviously not ripping... Why? Casue you are the owner of the photograph... You are the one that took the photograph, why can' you use it if you took it? If you mean drawing, well, I'd say that's ripping (or atleast dishonesty) to use someone elses drawing and say you made it... If i put a picture of a person i got from a stock site in my sig is that ripping? No, that's not ripping, cause you just said it yourself... You just clearly stated, that you took it from a "STOCK SITE"... Stock site's allow you to use the images without permission, as stock sites give you enough possesion to use the item for your own use (as long as you don't go and sell the stock image, for real life purposes)... I however, am talking about cases, that are NOT from stock sites... I think Tracing is perfectly fine but if you don't say you traced it, it makes you dishonest, not a ripper. Ripping is when people claim other work to be their own. You just contradicted your 1st sentence with your second sentence... You said, in your first sentence, that you can trace, but if you don't tell the person you traced, your dishonest, but not a ripper... Then, in your second sentence, you said that claiming someone else's work is yours, is ripping... For it to be a ripper, would be to take the cut tool, cut around the figure, then to paste it onto the sig. Yes but I am speaking of tracing the "Line-Art", not a coloured/shaded drawing... Now, with this in mind, directly and exactly tracing the linework of an image, would be VERY-CLOSE/EXACTLY the same as cutting the linework out... Tracing isn't ripping IMO. It's what little children do, thats all. Yes but what's wrong with being a little child? If your 7 years old, that wouldn't mean you can trace whatever you want, just because your a little child... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youmakemesik Posted December 4, 2004 Author Share Posted December 4, 2004 Oh and I'm just wondering, why hasn't Xero been banned? He just clearly ripped (and stated that he didn't care about ripping people) a signature, and he's done so in the past on many occasions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Sith Posted December 4, 2004 Share Posted December 4, 2004 The appropriate action has been taken. Guys... if you see someone blatantly breaking forum rules, do not just post about it on a thread that may not get seen. This does not help the forum become a better place. This issue could have been resolved in five minutes had a person private messaged one of the Media Board moderators (or another person who was online at the time or chosen from the Staff List). Please, please.. if you see someone ripping, let one of us know! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youmakemesik Posted December 4, 2004 Author Share Posted December 4, 2004 The appropriate action has been taken. Guys... if you see someone blatantly breaking forum rules, do not just post about it on a thread that may not get seen. This does not help the forum become a better place. This issue could have been resolved in five minutes had a person private messaged one of the Media Board moderators (or another person who was online at the time or chosen from the Staff List). Please, please.. if you see someone ripping, let one of us know! :D Huh? Are you talking about Xero or Jab? Cause I don't want Jab to get banned, he owned up to the ripping/tracing/wateva before N4K had a chance to buy it... And his case might not even be a rip, that's kinda what I'm trying to find out... But if you mean Xero, that's fine with me :D I'd love to see him get banned :P But uh anyway, Sith, please don't lock this topic, it's just a discussion :D You can lock it if it gets too serious but it's fine at the moment I think :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keiphus Posted December 4, 2004 Share Posted December 4, 2004 Does anyone remember those Vector's I did of myself and those 3 girls? Those were traced over photographs. Do you really think I would sit here and try and accurately draw them in Illustrator, when I could just take a picture of them and go from there? It would all yield the same result. Erm, I really don't think this makes sense... How does taking a picture of a pre-made girl and working on from there, yield the same result as you illustrating/drawing the girl up personally? I really don't think it does, cause your using someone else's artwork and they would have their own style/skill/etc... Not to mention that THEY made it, and you'd have to explain that you didn't make the linework... Btw, why do you speak of us as "children", when in reality, we may be older or more mature then you... Oh and I have no idea what "roto-scoping a walk cycle is ripping" means, so I won't say anything to that... rofl thats rubbish. if i take a picture of my own car and then trace it, am i ripping from the car manufacturer? Its obvious its a drawing of a car and not the real thing Um, waht are you talking about? Casue first you said you "took a picture" of the car, and later, you speak of it as a "drawing of a car, and not the real thing"... But if you mean you take a photograph of your own car and trace it, no, that is obviously not ripping... Why? Casue you are the owner of the photograph... You are the one that took the photograph, why can' you use it if you took it? If you mean drawing, well, I'd say that's ripping (or atleast dishonesty) to use someone elses drawing and say you made it... If i put a picture of a person i got from a stock site in my sig is that ripping? No, that's not ripping, cause you just said it yourself... You just clearly stated, that you took it from a "STOCK SITE"... Stock site's allow you to use the images without permission, as stock sites give you enough possesion to use the item for your own use (as long as you don't go and sell the stock image, for real life purposes)... I however, am talking about cases, that are NOT from stock sites... I think Tracing is perfectly fine but if you don't say you traced it, it makes you dishonest, not a ripper. Ripping is when people claim other work to be their own. You just contradicted your 1st sentence with your second sentence... You said, in your first sentence, that you can trace, but if you don't tell the person you traced, your dishonest, but not a ripper... Then, in your second sentence, you said that claiming someone else's work is yours, is ripping... Wow... are you mental? I think what you are trying to do here; correct me if I'm wrong, is sound more intelligent than you really are? Did you fully read my post, or did you just throw out your stupid answer without even thinking? I said that I myself took those pictures of those girls. The pictures is my copyright as soon as I took it. I don't understand how you think that's bad... and you lost me on the "pre-made" girl statement. Second, you then told Mercifull he can take a picture of his car and then trace it, that isn't ripping. That's exactly what I said... so either you aren't reading close enough or you're a walking contradiction. Just because you trace something and you don't tell anyone, doesn't mean you are a ripper. ALOT of professionals trace ALOT of things, because it yields the same result. That statement obviously lost you on the last post, so let me try to better explain. Have you ever seen a really well done illustration? Go over to CGTalk and look at some of the work there. Some of it is so good that you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a picture and a painting. Well, my point is this. Why torture yourself trying to get every detail right, when you can simply reference certain features to do a better job? In the end, it will all look the same. Isn't that the goal? To make it look as realistic as possible? So then, wouldn't the logical method be to use as much reference as you can....? Why illustrate it without reference and make it look [developmentally delayed]ed, when you can do it the other way, save time, and have it look better? You'd be suprised how many professionals trace/borrow/etc, even from the Google Search. (which isn't stock, obviously) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoneandonly Posted December 4, 2004 Share Posted December 4, 2004 rofl thats rubbish. if i take a picture of my own car and then trace it, am i ripping from the car manufacturer? Its obvious its a drawing of a car and not the real thing I agree. Although we are talking about if someone took a picture that wasn't taken by them. I though I see where you are going, what if i take and trace a picture that my grandfather took, although he was dead before I was born so I couldn't ask him permission to use it, or ask anyone else for that matter, is that ripping? Edit: I just noticed that i think you are defending the southpark sig guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 1_Hit_Quit Posted December 4, 2004 Share Posted December 4, 2004 Im talking as an artist, not as a lawyer... its a edicate not to trace things... then say you did it or whatever... or leading people to believe you did... just like in rs, is a scam only stealing something? no It can also be leading some1 to believe something... If it isnt your own work, then dont sell it... I really think pixel signatures it should really apply to, because you dont use all the tools for them... its just not the same... your supposed to draw it all color it all and shade it all... maybe the word ripping isnt the right word... how about the word cheap... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Sith Posted December 4, 2004 Share Posted December 4, 2004 Huh? Are you talking about Xero or Jab? Cause I don't want Jab to get banned, he owned up to the ripping/tracing/wateva before N4K had a chance to buy it... And his case might not even be a rip, that's kinda what I'm trying to find out...But if you mean Xero, that's fine with me :D I'd love to see him get banned :P Um, yes.. that is who I was referring to since the post before mine was basically you stating that he should be banned and such. As long as Jabraulter has not ripped recently, has apologized for the previous incident, did NOT sell his ripped work.. that is fine. :) There is no need to respond to this - I don't want him targeted so please just continue with the original discussion. :P EDIT: Jabraulter - yes, you should have apologized! That was VERY good on your part. Apologizing is much better than denying or trying to avoid the subject! But uh anyway, Sith, please don't lock this topic, it's just a discussion :D You can lock it if it gets too serious but it's fine at the moment I think :) I never mentioned locking it. I will however ask people NOT to discuss bans here (mention lengths, poke fun of the people who are banned, etc. etc.) - I've split off the recent replies that I've seen about it. Anyways, carry on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jabraulter Posted December 4, 2004 Share Posted December 4, 2004 if htis will make you feel better to know this, i wouldnt accept N4K's money. i gave him the sig free. all the competitions i've won (which is only like 2 :? ) ive ended up giving them the sig for free. look, im not trying to be "mellow dramatic." im just saying, if the mods want to ban me, fine. i really dont care. but i think if that happens, it will bring up an even bigger argument. well in my opinion i think it might. even though im not as "well known" as some of the otehr people on this forum. EDIT: sorry sith for mentioning ban. i didnt see what you had said right before this post. i guess this has blwon way out of proportion and im getting the negative vibe off people that i should be "banned" sorry though, sith ~Sith: That's OK - Please check your private messages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowgravity Posted December 4, 2004 Share Posted December 4, 2004 Lol I don't care about rippers, they can do w/e the hell they want, I mostly ignore them completely, if you ignore something it will normally go away, unless it's like a wall or something.. Anyway, I'm removing my Southpark sig seeing asthough you idiots keep crying about it.. I wouldn't say tracing was ripping, but I disaproove of it, using referance is absolutely fine, but actually tracing it doesn't really take alot of skill, I would prefer it if they just put in little dots where the main parts of the body were connected or ending then just do the other outline yourself, this way you will feel that you made it yourself, and not traced. Lowgravity, I want to be just like you. But...I never will be as 1337 as you. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jabraulter Posted December 4, 2004 Share Posted December 4, 2004 i agree with the "points on the pic and doing the lines yourself" thing. that would be better. but i think it would be better off if it just wasnt traced in the first place. its not like it CANNOT be done. obviously the_jeppoz and otehrs can do it just fine. it takes practice and good results wont come quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dyronamics Posted December 4, 2004 Share Posted December 4, 2004 I'll just quote myself.... And i'm talking as someone who read the copyright laws not an artist.... maybe someone studying law though :wink: It comes down to a question of copyright. If the image creator did not specifically say that the images could be used for any purpose without having to add a reference to him/her then you have to assume that they are not available for editing/ripping. Sometimes the image creators will allow the manipulation of their images as long as its not used for commercial purposes/profit or as long as a mention is given to them.... So if you want to fiddle about with an image not belonging to then you have to ask permission if its not already given. Otherwise they can do horrible legal stuff to you..... Look up copyright rules on google and you'll see what I mean.... Superknight/Blademaster: Level 150; Hps: 132Theoretical damage per round: 234Highest recorded damage in one round: 104 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youmakemesik Posted December 4, 2004 Author Share Posted December 4, 2004 Does anyone remember those Vector's I did of myself and those 3 girls? Those were traced over photographs. Do you really think I would sit here and try and accurately draw them in Illustrator, when I could just take a picture of them and go from there? It would all yield the same result. Erm, I really don't think this makes sense... How does taking a picture of a pre-made girl and working on from there, yield the same result as you illustrating/drawing the girl up personally? I really don't think it does, cause your using someone else's artwork and they would have their own style/skill/etc... Not to mention that THEY made it, and you'd have to explain that you didn't make the linework... Btw, why do you speak of us as "children", when in reality, we may be older or more mature then you... Oh and I have no idea what "roto-scoping a walk cycle is ripping" means, so I won't say anything to that... rofl thats rubbish. if i take a picture of my own car and then trace it, am i ripping from the car manufacturer? Its obvious its a drawing of a car and not the real thing Um, waht are you talking about? Casue first you said you "took a picture" of the car, and later, you speak of it as a "drawing of a car, and not the real thing"... But if you mean you take a photograph of your own car and trace it, no, that is obviously not ripping... Why? Casue you are the owner of the photograph... You are the one that took the photograph, why can' you use it if you took it? If you mean drawing, well, I'd say that's ripping (or atleast dishonesty) to use someone elses drawing and say you made it... If i put a picture of a person i got from a stock site in my sig is that ripping? No, that's not ripping, cause you just said it yourself... You just clearly stated, that you took it from a "STOCK SITE"... Stock site's allow you to use the images without permission, as stock sites give you enough possesion to use the item for your own use (as long as you don't go and sell the stock image, for real life purposes)... I however, am talking about cases, that are NOT from stock sites... I think Tracing is perfectly fine but if you don't say you traced it, it makes you dishonest, not a ripper. Ripping is when people claim other work to be their own. You just contradicted your 1st sentence with your second sentence... You said, in your first sentence, that you can trace, but if you don't tell the person you traced, your dishonest, but not a ripper... Then, in your second sentence, you said that claiming someone else's work is yours, is ripping... Wow... are you mental? I think what you are trying to do here; correct me if I'm wrong, is sound more intelligent than you really are? Did you fully read my post, or did you just throw out your stupid answer without even thinking? I said that I myself took those pictures of those girls. The pictures is my copyright as soon as I took it. I don't understand how you think that's bad... and you lost me on the "pre-made" girl statement. Second, you then told Mercifull he can take a picture of his car and then trace it, that isn't ripping. That's exactly what I said... so either you aren't reading close enough or you're a walking contradiction. Just because you trace something and you don't tell anyone, doesn't mean you are a ripper. ALOT of professionals trace ALOT of things, because it yields the same result. That statement obviously lost you on the last post, so let me try to better explain. Have you ever seen a really well done illustration? Go over to CGTalk and look at some of the work there. Some of it is so good that you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a picture and a painting. Well, my point is this. Why torture yourself trying to get every detail right, when you can simply reference certain features to do a better job? In the end, it will all look the same. Isn't that the goal? To make it look as realistic as possible? So then, wouldn't the logical method be to use as much reference as you can....? Why illustrate it without reference and make it look mentally challenged, when you can do it the other way, save time, and have it look better? You'd be suprised how many professionals trace/borrow/etc, even from the Google Search. (which isn't stock, obviously) Firstly, I'm not mental... Secondly, you have an attitude problem... Thirdly, I don't see how I'm acting like I'm way more intelligent then I originally am or wateva you said... Thirdly, if you were talking about tracing YOUR OWN photo of a girl, then YOU are the one that's gone off-topic... I am talking about photo's that are taken by OTHER PEOPLE, so don't tell me that I am mental for speaking as if you used another photo... Fourthly, Keiphus, as for the Mercifull comment, he said that it is legel for him to trace his OWN photo, so I said that is correct... Have you got a problem with my comment cause I really don't see it... :? Fifthly, you have completely gone off again... You are speaking of artists that use other art as reference pieces, and inspiration... I am talking about artists who DIRECTLY and I mean EXACTLY trace the lines of another Artwork... So I don't see what you mean by this statement: "Why illustrate it wihtout reference", cause I didn't say you can't use reference... I said you shouldn't TRACE THE EXACT LINES... Sixthly, thx Sith... :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Led-Zeppelin Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 Thirdly, I don't see how I'm acting like I'm way more intelligent then I originally am or wateva you said... Thirdly, if you were talking about tracing YOUR OWN photo of a girl, then YOU are the one that's gone off-topic... I am talking about photo's that are taken by OTHER PEOPLE, so don't tell me that I am mental for speaking as if you used another photo... Just thought I'd point that out. Looks quite stupid when you're trying to argue against the fact someone called you stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keiphus Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 youneverceasetoamazeme. Your stupidity is beyond all measure. I didn't go offtopic at all, you are just too thick to understand what I'm saying. I clicked the "Reply" button just now with the full intention of proving you wrong, and making you look more stupid. But I think your counting skills have done that for me, so I won't waste my time. Good day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youmakemesik Posted December 5, 2004 Author Share Posted December 5, 2004 Thirdly, I don't see how I'm acting like I'm way more intelligent then I originally am or wateva you said... Thirdly, if you were talking about tracing YOUR OWN photo of a girl, then YOU are the one that's gone off-topic... I am talking about photo's that are taken by OTHER PEOPLE, so don't tell me that I am mental for speaking as if you used another photo... Just thought I'd point that out. Looks quite stupid when you're trying to argue against the fact someone called you stupid. Yeh I agree, that did not the credibility out of my post, and probably made me look stupid, but that was cause I went in and added the 'fourthly' and forgot to change the rest... sry, and keiphus I'd prefer if you replied but eh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djscoobsta Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 Tracing is not ripping at all. Tracing is tracing. :-/ so by that i guess ur saying is what is is is wat it is sooo.... riping is riping and we cant stop it we can inforvce bans for doing it :roll: but still ppl will continue to rip and its getting more populator than eva b4 ":( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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