...BECAUSE DOCTOR KEVORKIAN IS BACK IN BUSINESS!!!

 

 

 

The assisted suicide man? Oh god, again?

Assisted suicide... Let people do it if they want. As long as you can tell that they are in the right frame of mind to make such a descision. From what little I know, though, this guy is a bit of an a-hole.

Assisted suicide is fine, if the person wants it. :?

I believe in assisted suicide. If you are 100% sure and you clearly have depression, etc symptoms, I'd say go for it. No use living in a life that's a complete hell.

I hate that dude. I did a presentation for an oral communications class against assited suicide, there's absolutely no reason for it. That guy thinks he's doing so much good... :shame:

I hate that dude. I did a presentation for an oral communications class against assited suicide, there's absolutely no reason for it. That guy thinks he's doing so much good... :shame:

 

 

 

Why? Why do we need people living in an already overpopulated world who'd rather not be living? How can you justify extreme pain and depression to the point where your life is hardly livable. There's a point in my opinion when you cross the line of being able to repair your life, and after that it's just not worth it to live. Plus, I'd rather have assisted suicide than people committing suicide on their own, it always results in huge legal issues and the family getting hurt by it emotionally and physically.

Instead of killing themselves, people should help out depressed people instead of making them throw their lives' away.

I hate that dude. I did a presentation for an oral communications class against assited suicide, there's absolutely no reason for it. That guy thinks he's doing so much good... :shame:

 

 

 

Well An0r, you'll see how you like it if you have a deadly disease that causes you to be in pain all the time, to never be able to get up of your hospital bed, to feel you are a nuisance because you drain all the free time of your family that goes to see you, to have to pee through a tube and have nurses strip you in order to change clothes, to lose all dignity, and to have nothing but a slow death in front of you. You'll see how much you want to live.

I hate that dude. I did a presentation for an oral communications class against assited suicide, there's absolutely no reason for it. That guy thinks he's doing so much good... :shame:

 

 

 

Well An0r, you'll see how you like it if you have a deadly disease that causes you to be in pain all the time, to never be able to get up of your hospital bed, to feel you are a nuisance because you drain all the free time of your family that goes to see you, to have to pee through a tube and have nurses strip you in order to change clothes, to lose all dignity, and to have nothing but a slow death in front of you. You'll see how much you want to live.

 

 

 

People live in those conditions because they have doctors like Matthew Fox's character on Lost, who are desperately trying to keep you alive a little longer to live in those misreable conditions. No one wants that, you are correct, but it's people like Kevorkian that convince them that suicide is the only way out. It's not, there is this wonderful practice called hospice care that caters to spiritual and emotional needs while people are in those positions, instead of futilely trying to keep them alive. They don't die alone in intensive care with doctors bending over them, they can be at home surrounded by family and die a natural death. hospice simply makes the last legs of their life as easy and comfortable as possible, by relieving physical pain and giving them emotional support.

 

 

 

I believe in assisted suicide. If you are 100% sure and you clearly have depression, etc symptoms, I'd say go for it. No use living in a life that's a complete hell.

 

 

 

Depression is an enormous influence on people's decisions, If they were under hospice care that was making their life as good as it could possibly be then they would not be depressed, therefore would not likely consider assisted suicide. Depression is, I think, the number one reason for suicides? Assisted suicide is no different; the only difference is that you have a physician handing you the pill with a big smile on his face.

He was let out of prison, but I don't think he's "back in business".

He was let out of prison, but I don't think he's "back in business".

 

Now that he's out of prison, he said that he was going to do all that he can to get assisted suicide legalized. He's "Back in Business" as in, having to do with the assisted suicide legislation.

He was let out of prison, but I don't think he's "back in business".

 

Now that he's out of prison, he said that he was going to do all that he can to get assisted suicide legalized. He's "Back in Business" as in, having to do with the assisted suicide legislation.

 

Oh ok, thanks for clearing that up. I'm all for it, as long as the patient is sure about it, has all their affairs in order, and is of sound mind.

I hate that dude. I did a presentation for an oral communications class against assited suicide, there's absolutely no reason for it. That guy thinks he's doing so much good... :shame:

 

 

 

Well An0r, you'll see how you like it if you have a deadly disease that causes you to be in pain all the time, to never be able to get up of your hospital bed, to feel you are a nuisance because you drain all the free time of your family that goes to see you, to have to pee through a tube and have nurses strip you in order to change clothes, to lose all dignity, and to have nothing but a slow death in front of you. You'll see how much you want to live.

 

 

 

People live in those conditions because they have doctors like Matthew Fox's character on Lost, who are desperately trying to keep you alive a little longer to live in those misreable conditions. No one wants that, you are correct, but it's people like Kevorkian that convince them that suicide is the only way out. It's not, there is this wonderful practice called hospice care that caters to spiritual and emotional needs while people are in those positions, instead of futilely trying to keep them alive. They don't die alone in intensive care with doctors bending over them, they can be at home surrounded by family and die a natural death. hospice simply makes the last legs of their life as easy and comfortable as possible, by relieving physical pain and giving them emotional support.

 

 

 

I believe in assisted suicide. If you are 100% sure and you clearly have depression, etc symptoms, I'd say go for it. No use living in a life that's a complete hell.

 

 

 

Depression is an enormous influence on people's decisions, If they were under hospice care that was making their life as good as it could possibly be then they would not be depressed, therefore would not likely consider assisted suicide. Depression is, I think, the number one reason for suicides? Assisted suicide is no different; the only difference is that you have a physician handing you the pill with a big smile on his face.

 

 

 

That's all well and good for us healthy folk but given the horrendous nature of some diseases don't you think we should at least give them the choice? Who are we to put a label on people to say they must stay alive because be don't agree with letting them die?

I think what he did was 100% OK. People should have the right to decide if they want to live or die. If people suffer, why should they have to live?

That's all well and good for us healthy folk but given the horrendous nature of some diseases don't you think we should at least give them the choice? Who are we to put a label on people to say they must stay alive because be don't agree with letting them die?

 

 

 

They do have a choice, my entire post was about the choice of hospice care, which I'm sure most people would prefer to just taking a pill and snuffing it, their last memories being ones of pain and suffering. I sure would want to at least give hospice a try, it's very effective. If they find that it doesn't work for them for whatever reason then that's a different story, but we sure as hell don't need people like Kevorkian out there telling people that his way is the best and only way.

That's all well and good for us healthy folk but given the horrendous nature of some diseases don't you think we should at least give them the choice? Who are we to put a label on people to say they must stay alive because be don't agree with letting them die?

 

 

 

They do have a choice, my entire post was about the choice of hospice care, which I'm sure most people would prefer to just taking a pill and snuffing it, their last memories being ones of pain and suffering. I sure would want to at least give hospice a try, it's very effective. If they find that it doesn't work for them for whatever reason then that's a different story, but we sure as hell don't need people like Kevorkian out there telling people that his way is the best and only way.

 

 

 

By your logic $100,000 worth of hospital bills is going to cure depression eh? No one here has the ability to judge against this unless they have personally been in the situation. As healthy folk we don't realize the level on which these people live. We overlook it.

That's all well and good for us healthy folk but given the horrendous nature of some diseases don't you think we should at least give them the choice? Who are we to put a label on people to say they must stay alive because be don't agree with letting them die?

 

 

 

They do have a choice, my entire post was about the choice of hospice care, which I'm sure most people would prefer to just taking a pill and snuffing it, their last memories being ones of pain and suffering. I sure would want to at least give hospice a try, it's very effective. If they find that it doesn't work for them for whatever reason then that's a different story, but we sure as hell don't need people like Kevorkian out there telling people that his way is the best and only way.

 

It's good to see you advocate choice and not a 'my way or the highway' moral code. I agree we should give them the choice of your idea but I feel one can only judge how effective it is if you go through it yourself.

That's all well and good for us healthy folk but given the horrendous nature of some diseases don't you think we should at least give them the choice? Who are we to put a label on people to say they must stay alive because be don't agree with letting them die?

 

 

 

They do have a choice, my entire post was about the choice of hospice care, which I'm sure most people would prefer to just taking a pill and snuffing it, their last memories being ones of pain and suffering. I sure would want to at least give hospice a try, it's very effective. If they find that it doesn't work for them for whatever reason then that's a different story, but we sure as hell don't need people like Kevorkian out there telling people that his way is the best and only way.

 

 

 

By your logic $100,000 worth of hospital bills is going to cure depression eh? No one here has the ability to judge against this unless they have personally been in the situation. As healthy folk we don't realize the level on which these people live. We overlook it.

 

 

 

So what makes Kevorkian better at judging such things? My problem is that he prevents hospice from being realized as an option, so they think that his way is the only way. And I think that is inhumane. If you were somehow conscious after death, how would you like to realize that you just lived the last few weeks/months of your life in a really crappy situation, and died that way, because some self-righteous freak of a doctor told you that it was the only way? Instead, you could have spent time free of pain and distraction with loved ones and made the end of your life a happy one.

 

 

 

And I didn't really see the significance of your hospital bill statement. Yes, hospice care is going to relieve depression, and there is no bill there to compound it. Hospice only charges what you can pay, heck if you can't pay it's free! You are not going to receive a hospital bill for hospice care, so I just didn't get that :?

So what makes Kevorkian better at judging such things? My problem is that he prevents hospice from being realized as an option, so they think that his way is the only way. And I think that is inhumane. If you were somehow conscious after death, how would you like to realize that you just lived the last few weeks/months of your life in a really crappy situation, and died that way, because some self-righteous freak of a doctor told you that it was the only way? Instead, you could have spent time free of pain and distraction with loved ones and made the end of your life a happy one.

 

 

 

And I didn't really see the significance of your hospital bill statement. Yes, hospice care is going to relieve depression, and there is no bill there to compound it. Hospice only charges what you can pay, heck if you can't pay it's free! You are not going to receive a hospital bill for hospice care, so I just didn't get that :?

 

 

 

It was more of a play at how treating such things can cost so much they'll drive you back into it. Look at some psychologists for instance.

 

 

 

Anyways, I never said I agreed with him, but I'm a very pro-choice person when it comes to people running their own lives in a responsible manner. I don't think he has it right, but I think trying to legalize it is the right road, but his methods need revising, specifically put into control by clinics in the particular country under a different method.

^Now we're on the same page. I sincerely believe that most would prefer not to go by assisted suicide in favor of hospice, but as you said I'm not exactly experienced in where a person's head is in that situation. And if they really think that assited suicide is the better way to go after evaluating both choices, then I guess no one can really stop them. But this Kevorkian dude has his head in the wrong place, he really shouldn't be doing what he does.

^Now we're on the same page. I sincerely believe that most would prefer not to go by assisted suicide in favor of hospice, but as you said I'm not exactly experienced in where a person's head is in that situation. And if they really think that assited suicide is the better way to go after evaluating both choices, then I guess no one can really stop them. But this Kevorkian dude has his head in the wrong place, he really shouldn't be doing what he does.

 

 

 

The only problem I see with hospice's is government funding could hurt it, or it could raise taxes. Unless of course you are talking religious hospice's.

 

 

 

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In other words, I don't want to waste money on someone who is not worth it. Just a personal opinion.

The only problem I see with hospice's is government funding could hurt it, or it could raise taxes. Unless of course you are talking religious hospice's.

 

 

 

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In other words, I don't want to waste money on someone who is not worth it. Just a personal opinion.

 

 

 

Eh, all I can say is that it's existed for years, only no one has really known about it. It's done well enough, I can't pretend to know whether or not it really makes a difference in our taxes.

 

 

 

I really need to go to bed now.

if you wanna die, man up pull the trigger. that's how it's been for centuries, just wit swords etc etc, there's always the whole rope tied to the ceiling fan trick, the up the road not across the street and there's that whole jump from 60 stories up.

if you wanna die, man up pull the trigger. that's how it's been for centuries, just wit swords etc etc, there's always the whole rope tied to the ceiling fan trick, the up the road not across the street and there's that whole jump from 60 stories up.

 

 

 

What about people who can't move.