darkmage099 Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 Yeah but what's an effective solution...none really. I'm sure it's "illegal" but it's really the country's responsibility to stop it happening. Its hard for a country to exercise power in a situation where the crime occurred outside their borders. Trix.--quit WoW as of 12/07Thank you 4be2jue for the wonderful sig and avatar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender2516 Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 The thought or mention of you even defending animals is a disgrace to every human ever born. If you really cared about humans you won't even think about bringing up a debate about dam animals. I rather have them all roasted alive than for a human to suffer. Animals die all the time, and if that wasn't so, we would all be eating tomatoes right now. I don't mind defending animals, but as long as all the human cruelty is handled first.. Its a shame society cares more about their dogs than PEOPLE. People are far more above and special than you will ever know. Don't ever defend a cow in a thread like this again.. you bring those women to shame. All you can think of is pathetic cows while they get tortured day and night.. go somewhere else with that bs! ~Defender~ If you love me, send me a PM. 8 - Love me2 - Hate me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warri0r45 Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 The thought or mention of you even defending animals is a disgrace to every human ever born. If you really cared about humans you won't even think about bringing up a debate about dam animals. I rather have them all roasted alive than for a human to suffer. Animals die all the time, and if that wasn't so, we would all be eating tomatoes right now. I don't mind defending animals, but as long as all the human cruelty is handled first.. Its a shame society cares more about their dogs than PEOPLE. People are far more above and special than you will ever know. Don't ever defend a cow in a thread like this again.. you bring those women to shame. All you can think of is pathetic cows while they get tortured day and night.. go somewhere else with that bs! ~Defender~ You serious? I thought Lovelydude was a little brash... I think you should take this bs elsewhere. I do share your sentiment, just no where near as militantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assassin_696 Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 The thought or mention of you even defending animals is a disgrace to every human ever born. If you really cared about humans you won't even think about bringing up a debate about dam animals. I rather have them all roasted alive than for a human to suffer. Animals die all the time, and if that wasn't so, we would all be eating tomatoes right now. I don't mind defending animals, but as long as all the human cruelty is handled first.. Its a shame society cares more about their dogs than PEOPLE. People are far more above and special than you will ever know. Don't ever defend a cow in a thread like this again.. you bring those women to shame. All you can think of is pathetic cows while they get tortured day and night.. go somewhere else with that bs! ~Defender~ Out of interest, what's your ethical basis for valueing a human's life over an animal's? Speciesism? Are you saying you wouldn't protest over cruelty to animals? "Da mihi castitatem et continentam, sed noli modo" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satenza Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 There wouldn't be a sex trade if there weren't buyers. You may blame the foreign countries, but the problem is largely here at home where customers are generated through sex-filled media/desensitization and the idea that "sex is okay wherever, whenever". I think (speaking as someone subject to English media) thats quite a big stretch between media desentitization and being willing to travel thousands of miles to go to some hell hole of a place to have sex with one of these women. I saw a documentary on this subject, and it followed a police raid on one of these brothels just the sites were so disgusing any normal human being would never even look or go into one, at least from the western world. Be that pedophiles, rapists or whatever. I also think it's a stretch from Trapical to say our countries won't help because of pedophiles "getting their fix" abroad. China has something like 1.3Billion people and 20% of the worlds population. Imagine the number of crimes, the money of litigation, the reliance on the courts? No wonder these things can happen undetected, the counrtys set for failure because of it's sheer size. It's communist but it's also the perfect example of capitalist supression. With so many trees in the city you could see the spring coming each day until a night of warm wind would bring it suddenly in one morning. Sometimes the heavy cold rains would beat it back so that it would seem that it would never come and that you were losing a season out of your life. But you knew that there would always be the spring as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person had died for no reason. In those days though the spring always came finally but it was frightening that it had nearly failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender2516 Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 The thought or mention of you even defending animals is a disgrace to every human ever born. If you really cared about humans you won't even think about bringing up a debate about dam animals. I rather have them all roasted alive than for a human to suffer. Animals die all the time, and if that wasn't so, we would all be eating tomatoes right now. I don't mind defending animals, but as long as all the human cruelty is handled first.. Its a shame society cares more about their dogs than PEOPLE. People are far more above and special than you will ever know. Don't ever defend a cow in a thread like this again.. you bring those women to shame. All you can think of is pathetic cows while they get tortured day and night.. go somewhere else with that bs! ~Defender~ Out of interest, what's your ethical basis for valueing a human's life over an animal's? Speciesism? Are you saying you wouldn't protest over cruelty to animals? When your getting rapped the next 10 years, don't blame me that i'm at the anti-cow prevention meeting. After all, every rapist girl needs her burger in frys. ~Defender~ If you love me, send me a PM. 8 - Love me2 - Hate me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assassin_696 Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 When your getting rapped the next 10 years, don't blame me that i'm at the anti-cow prevention meeting. After all, every rapist girl needs her burger in frys. ~Defender~ You didn't answer my question, what's your basis for it? I'll admit that I value a human's life over an animal's but why does that mean we shouldn't work towards better conditions and the removal of injustice for both? "Da mihi castitatem et continentam, sed noli modo" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovelydude Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 Not it's perfectly just, but he didn't need to go so far as to state that animal cruelty protestors were annoying and that their cause is nothing compared to that of the victims of slave trade. We should all care less for animals and more for humans. When there are no injustices among humans let's start caring for the animals. I can promise that I'll protest for the mosquito's right to suck blood when all humans are treated with dignity, fairness and respect. No need to be an [wagon]. I never said animal rights are more important than human rights and I most certainly never labelled human rights insignificant. You seem to do that to animals though. [wagon]. He wasn't acting like a "wagon". He only has an opinion that is different than yours. In fact, you seem to be the one acting hostile towards him. And a little bit of FYI: Humans > Animals I clearly stated my opinion, which he read into incorrectly (or at least provocatively), and deliberately so I think. I daresay you of all people could sympathise with one getting annoyed when someone reads their post/opinion the wrong way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satenza Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 and protest against people treating others like a wagon for having a different opinion. With so many trees in the city you could see the spring coming each day until a night of warm wind would bring it suddenly in one morning. Sometimes the heavy cold rains would beat it back so that it would seem that it would never come and that you were losing a season out of your life. But you knew that there would always be the spring as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person had died for no reason. In those days though the spring always came finally but it was frightening that it had nearly failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warri0r45 Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 The thought or mention of you even defending animals is a disgrace to every human ever born. If you really cared about humans you won't even think about bringing up a debate about dam animals. I rather have them all roasted alive than for a human to suffer. Animals die all the time, and if that wasn't so, we would all be eating tomatoes right now. I don't mind defending animals, but as long as all the human cruelty is handled first.. Its a shame society cares more about their dogs than PEOPLE. People are far more above and special than you will ever know. Don't ever defend a cow in a thread like this again.. you bring those women to shame. All you can think of is pathetic cows while they get tortured day and night.. go somewhere else with that bs! ~Defender~ Out of interest, what's your ethical basis for valueing a human's life over an animal's? Speciesism? Are you saying you wouldn't protest over cruelty to animals? When your getting rapped the next 10 years, don't blame me that i'm at the anti-cow prevention meeting. After all, every rapist girl needs her burger in frys. ~Defender~ Try and make sense when you post. That would be super. Anti-cow prevention meeting... so you're preventing people being anti-cow and at the same time you don't want people defending cows in this thread ever again? And rapist girls need thier burgur and fries. I'm sure all those kidnapped girls work up an appetite doing all that raping. Again, a bit more sense out of your posts would be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender2516 Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 When your getting rapped the next 10 years, don't blame me that i'm at the anti-cow prevention meeting. After all, every rapist girl needs her burger in frys. ~Defender~ You didn't answer my question, what's your basis for it? I'll admit that I value a human's life over an animal's but why does that mean we shouldn't work towards better conditions and the removal of injustice for both? Let me ask you.. what if it was your future daughter? Just sit and think about it.. your her guardian.. her parent. Its up to you to keep her safe and protect her. But theives come in and take her, and constantly being to rape her, eventually becoming a slave. Would you still think about animal rights? ~Defender~ If you love me, send me a PM. 8 - Love me2 - Hate me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assassin_696 Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 Let me ask you.. what if it was your future daughter? Just sit and think about it.. your her guardian.. her parent. Its up to you to keep her safe and protect her. But theives come in and take her, and constantly being to [assault] her, eventually becoming a slave. Would you still think about animal rights? ~Defender~ Your entirely missing the point. I'm not saying that when we protest against obscene cruelty to animals that therefore means that: a) we value the animals life over a humans. B) it means you can't also protest against the injustices towards humans They're not mutually exclusive. "Da mihi castitatem et continentam, sed noli modo" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korskin Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 I clearly stated my opinion, which he read into incorrectly (or at least provocatively), and deliberately so I think. I daresay you of all people could sympathise with one getting annoyed when someone reads their post/opinion the wrong way. Actually you wrote this: I agree that the entire sex slaves and traffiking problem is horrific, however cruelty to animals is just as bad. My interpretation: Cruelty to animals is just as bad as human traffiking. I disagree and claim that we should always put human lives before animal lives. Trapical thought we should focus more on significant things such as human traffiking and not insignificant things (in comparison) such as animal rights. You were trying to take the focus away from traffiking and saying that we might aswell focus on preventing cruelty to animals. Please tell me what you're actually was trying to say if my interpretation is totally wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovelydude Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 Ok, ok. I just realised the irony in my last post, but it still stands that when people disagree with your opinion mainly to be provocative, one can't help but be annoyed. Defender this is not a question of priorites. My interpretation: Cruelty to animals is just as bad as human traffiking. I disagree and claim that we should always put human lives before animal lives. Trapical thought we should focus more on significant things such as human traffiking and not insignificant things (in comparison) such as animal rights. You were trying to take the focus away from traffiking and saying that we might aswell focus on preventing cruelty to animals. Please tell me what you're actually was trying to say if my interpretation is totally wrong. I understand how you might interpret that, though I think pretty much every statement made on that front in this thread has been possibly misleading or without explanation regarding both animal and human traffiking and cruelty. For the record. I am against both problems, however I have little or no preference as to which holds more importance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender2516 Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 Let me ask you.. what if it was your future daughter? Just sit and think about it.. your her guardian.. her parent. Its up to you to keep her safe and protect her. But theives come in and take her, and constantly being to [assault] her, eventually becoming a slave. Would you still think about animal rights? ~Defender~ Your entirely missing the point. I'm not saying that when we protest against obscene cruelty to animals that therefore means that: a) we value the animals life over a humans. B) it means you can't also protest against the injustices towards humans They're not mutually exclusive. Yes Or No? ~Defender~ If you love me, send me a PM. 8 - Love me2 - Hate me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warri0r45 Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 When your getting rapped the next 10 years, don't blame me that i'm at the anti-cow prevention meeting. After all, every rapist girl needs her burger in frys. ~Defender~ You didn't answer my question, what's your basis for it? I'll admit that I value a human's life over an animal's but why does that mean we shouldn't work towards better conditions and the removal of injustice for both? Let me ask you.. what if it was your future daughter? Just sit and think about it.. your her guardian.. her parent. Its up to you to keep her safe and protect her. But theives come in and take her, and constantly being to [assault] her, eventually becoming a slave. Would you still think about animal rights? ~Defender~ How was that answering his question? It's just using your own emotionally charged outlook to avoid it and come back to something you think will sway him. I think it's obvious no one would wish your hypothetical on anyone and if it happened to one of us, we'd be dead keen to see the ordeal over. Does that mean we have to be anti-cow militants too? Is it not at all possible to be both? Is it not at all possible to value human life so keenly as you do and OMG *also* value a somewhat humane treatment of animals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender2516 Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 When your getting rapped the next 10 years, don't blame me that i'm at the anti-cow prevention meeting. After all, every rapist girl needs her burger in frys. ~Defender~ You didn't answer my question, what's your basis for it? I'll admit that I value a human's life over an animal's but why does that mean we shouldn't work towards better conditions and the removal of injustice for both? Let me ask you.. what if it was your future daughter? Just sit and think about it.. your her guardian.. her parent. Its up to you to keep her safe and protect her. But theives come in and take her, and constantly being to [assault] her, eventually becoming a slave. Would you still think about animal rights? ~Defender~ How was that answering his question? It's just using your own emotionally charged outlook to avoid it and come back to something you think will sway him. I think it's obvious no one would wish your hypothetical on anyone and if it happened to one of us, we'd be dead keen to see the ordeal over. Does that mean we have to be anti-cow militants too? keep pointing fingers warrior, he didn't answer my question either. Mind your own business, this debate is with me and him. Go insult someone else on this topic. Yes Or No Assasin? ~Defender~ If you love me, send me a PM. 8 - Love me2 - Hate me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warri0r45 Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 When your getting rapped the next 10 years, don't blame me that i'm at the anti-cow prevention meeting. After all, every rapist girl needs her burger in frys. ~Defender~ You didn't answer my question, what's your basis for it? I'll admit that I value a human's life over an animal's but why does that mean we shouldn't work towards better conditions and the removal of injustice for both? Let me ask you.. what if it was your future daughter? Just sit and think about it.. your her guardian.. her parent. Its up to you to keep her safe and protect her. But theives come in and take her, and constantly being to [assault] her, eventually becoming a slave. Would you still think about animal rights? ~Defender~ How was that answering his question? It's just using your own emotionally charged outlook to avoid it and come back to something you think will sway him. I think it's obvious no one would wish your hypothetical on anyone and if it happened to one of us, we'd be dead keen to see the ordeal over. Does that mean we have to be anti-cow militants too? keep pointing fingers warrior, he didn't answer my question either. Mind your own business, this debate is with me and him. Go insult someone else on this topic. Yes Or No Assasin? ~Defender~ You are truly rediculous. He asked you a question first, which you so ever conveniently ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovelydude Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 When your getting rapped the next 10 years, don't blame me that i'm at the anti-cow prevention meeting. After all, every rapist girl needs her burger in frys. ~Defender~ You didn't answer my question, what's your basis for it? I'll admit that I value a human's life over an animal's but why does that mean we shouldn't work towards better conditions and the removal of injustice for both? Let me ask you.. what if it was your future daughter? Just sit and think about it.. your her guardian.. her parent. Its up to you to keep her safe and protect her. But theives come in and take her, and constantly being to [assault] her, eventually becoming a slave. Would you still think about animal rights? ~Defender~ How was that answering his question? It's just using your own emotionally charged outlook to avoid it and come back to something you think will sway him. I think it's obvious no one would wish your hypothetical on anyone and if it happened to one of us, we'd be dead keen to see the ordeal over. Does that mean we have to be anti-cow militants too? keep pointing fingers warrior, he didn't answer my question either. Mind your own business, this debate is with me and him. Go insult someone else on this topic. Yes Or No Assasin? ~Defender~ Don't be stupid. Your question was circumstancial and rhetorical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assassin_696 Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 Firstly, warri0r has just as much right to post in this thread as you do, and is doing so in a much more coherent fashion than your ridiculous logic and rhetoric. On the subject of answering questions you have still failed to answer mine. I've already told you why your question is redundant and not a simple yes or no answer, but you can't seem to grasp why so i'll elaborate. Firstly, you're asking me, as a teenager, to put myself in a position where my paternal instincts would overwhelm rational thought and what I would normally think. Ergo, I not only cannot put myself in that position but the logic behind any decision made in that position wouldn't be sound. So it's impossible to answer that question from that perspective. To try and answer your question bluntly though, yes, I would still consider animal rights. Obviously the safety of my daughter would take absolute precedence over them as long as she was in danger but that does not mean that caring for my daughter and still taking into consideration animal rights are mutually exclusive. That is the key point, considering the rights and treatment of one does not forsake the other. "Da mihi castitatem et continentam, sed noli modo" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordiequeen Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 In a recent trip that I took to Amsterdam with my Father who was on a business trip, I saw this thing first-hand. There were girls on the street from places like the Middle-east ect who were prostitutes but what amazed me the most was that several of them looked and probably younger than me. It disgusts me. How any human being can put another human being through that torture amazes me and I find it utterly repulsive, not only our government but all other Governments really need to try and sort this problem out, because at the end of the day it is ruining lives. To me, yes, we should sort this problem out but why on earth can we not sort the Animal's problems out as well. All we need is two pieces of government legislation and a lot of hard work and if every country just knuckled down and tried to sort all the major problems of the world like Human and Animal Rights the world might just be a better place to look and many people might have a better outlook on life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender2516 Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 Now, tell me why you value your daughters life over a animals. ~Defender~ If you love me, send me a PM. 8 - Love me2 - Hate me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovelydude Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 Defender, you should be a car salesman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assassin_696 Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 Now, tell me why you value your daughters life over a animals. ~Defender~ Well done, you've not only managed to miss the point entiely in 4 consecutive posts, you've also managed to not read my previous post or answer my original question. I'm not going to respond to that redundant question because it's entirely false, and you wouldn't have even asked it if you'd read and understood what I said. "Da mihi castitatem et continentam, sed noli modo" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigra00 Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 Now, tell me why you value your daughters life over a animals. ~Defender~ Is this a guilt-trip question, or something? I'd snap the necks of a billion cows with my bare hands before I let any harm cmoe upon a child of mine. And I wouldn't regret a single severed spinal cord. Why should I? The popularity of any given religion today depends on the victories of the wars they fought in the past. - Me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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