Capital Punishment

[Abelmisi]

Yes really.

 

 

 

I want to hear you guys' opinion on it. Should it be aloud? In what cases? Morally wrong? Necessary? Feel free to debate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My view:

 

 

 

I think it is just wrong. What makes a human decide on an other human's life? It is not up to us judge another's life. For example there is a serial killer who killed 10 people. If we kill him its just the same that he did. Murder. Plus you can never be sure that you execute the one who committed the crimes.

[Tigra00]

Yes really.

 

 

 

I want to hear you guys' opinion on it. Should it be aloud? In what cases? Morally wrong? Necessary?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My view:

 

 

 

I think it is just wrong. What makes a human decide on an other human's life? It is not up to us judge another's life. For example there is a serial killer who killed 10 people. If we kill him its just the same that he did. Murder.

 

 

 

So...Mr. Dude who killed 10 people gets to spend his life in prison, having his meals handed to him at an expense of $100-200k/year paid for by the state (AKA, you)?

 

 

 

Pretty sure killing the bastard is a better choice.

 

 

 

Personally, I'd rather die than sit in prison, but there isn't much bad about having all your meals given to you and getting to watch TV 17 hours a day.

[Abelmisi]

Yes really.

 

 

 

I want to hear you guys' opinion on it. Should it be aloud? In what cases? Morally wrong? Necessary?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My view:

 

 

 

I think it is just wrong. What makes a human decide on an other human's life? It is not up to us judge another's life. For example there is a serial killer who killed 10 people. If we kill him its just the same that he did. Murder.

 

 

 

So...Mr. Dude who killed 10 people gets to spend his life in prison, having his meals handed to him at an expense of $100-200k/year paid for by the state (AKA, you)?

 

 

 

Pretty sure killing the bastard is a better choice.

 

 

 

Personally, I'd rather die than sit in prison, but there isn't much bad about having all your meals given to you and getting to watch TV 17 hours a day.

 

 

 

Do you know how much a death penalty costs?

[Tigra00]

Yes really.

 

 

 

I want to hear you guys' opinion on it. Should it be aloud? In what cases? Morally wrong? Necessary?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My view:

 

 

 

I think it is just wrong. What makes a human decide on an other human's life? It is not up to us judge another's life. For example there is a serial killer who killed 10 people. If we kill him its just the same that he did. Murder.

 

 

 

So...Mr. Dude who killed 10 people gets to spend his life in prison, having his meals handed to him at an expense of $100-200k/year paid for by the state (AKA, you)?

 

 

 

Pretty sure killing the bastard is a better choice.

 

 

 

Personally, I'd rather die than sit in prison, but there isn't much bad about having all your meals given to you and getting to watch TV 17 hours a day.

 

 

 

Do you know how much a death penalty costs?

 

 

 

Apparently it's around 1.3 million dollars, which is complete crap, because a bullet is like 7 cents last I checked. Do the math, still cheaper than housing them.

[hells_mishap]

 

 

 

So...Mr. Dude who killed 10 people gets to spend his life in prison, having his meals handed to him at an expense of $100-200k/year paid for by the state (AKA, you)?

 

 

 

Hmm.. I've heard it's more expensive to go through the legal process of enforcing capital punishment than to keep them in prison for life.

[Tigra00]

 

 

 

So...Mr. Dude who killed 10 people gets to spend his life in prison, having his meals handed to him at an expense of $100-200k/year paid for by the state (AKA, you)?

 

 

 

Hmm.. I've heard it's more expensive to go through the legal process of enforcing capital punishment than to keep them in prison for life.

 

 

 

Highly doubt that.

 

 

 

A life sentance (opposed to it's title) is 60 years. 60 times $100-200k is somewhere around 6-12 million dollars.

[Abelmisi]

 

 

 

So...Mr. Dude who killed 10 people gets to spend his life in prison, having his meals handed to him at an expense of $100-200k/year paid for by the state (AKA, you)?

 

 

 

Hmm.. I've heard it's more expensive to go through the legal process of enforcing capital punishment than to keep them in prison for life.

 

 

 

Highly doubt that.

 

 

 

A life sentance (opposed to it's title) is 60 years. 60 times $100-200k is somewhere around 6-12 million dollars.

 

 

 

Not everyone lives for 80+ years. Especially not in prison.

 

 

 

By the way. Where do you get that $100-200k per year?

[xXru1n3dXx]

What makes a human decide on an other human's life? It is not up to us judge another's life.

Why isn't it?

 

 

 

I'm with Tigra, i'm pro-death penalty. I would rather know some serial killer is dead instead of going to be released in a few decades, which of course will be cut with crap such as good behaviour bonds anyway.

 

 

 

 

 

 

So...Mr. Dude who killed 10 people gets to spend his life in prison, having his meals handed to him at an expense of $100-200k/year paid for by the state (AKA, you)?

 

 

 

Hmm.. I've heard it's more expensive to go through the legal process of enforcing capital punishment than to keep them in prison for life.

 

I've read that before when I did an assignment on the death penalty. If it was carried out with a bullet in the head instead, it would be a lot cheaper though, which it should.

[Abelmisi]

What makes a human decide on an other human's life? It is not up to us judge another's life.

Why isn't it?

 

 

 

 

 

It all comes down to religion which is not really the subject of debate here but if your interested I'll send you a PM.

[xXru1n3dXx]

What makes a human decide on an other human's life? It is not up to us judge another's life.

Why isn't it?

 

 

 

 

 

It all comes down to religion which is not really the subject of debate here but if your interested I'll send you a PM.

 

Thought that would be the reason. :P

 

No need for a PM, thats your view so we will keep it at that.

[Tigra00]

 

 

 

So...Mr. Dude who killed 10 people gets to spend his life in prison, having his meals handed to him at an expense of $100-200k/year paid for by the state (AKA, you)?

 

 

 

Hmm.. I've heard it's more expensive to go through the legal process of enforcing capital punishment than to keep them in prison for life.

 

 

 

Highly doubt that.

 

 

 

A life sentance (opposed to it's title) is 60 years. 60 times $100-200k is somewhere around 6-12 million dollars.

 

 

 

Not everyone lives for 80+ years. Especially not in prison.

 

 

 

By the way. Where do you get that $100-200k per year?

 

 

 

Read somewhere that that is what it takes to keep 'em fed and clothed and whatnot.

[Ginger_Warrior]

The death penalty is such an old argument for dealing with criminals. During the past few decades, there have been several miscarriages of justice which have resulted in innocent people being sent to prison. The only silver lining in that is that they're still alive and can be found innocent and released and live an otherwise normal life.

 

 

 

The problem with the death penalty is that once they're dead, that's it, you can't go back on that mistake, and you've taken an innocent life while the real criminal got away with it. This is alone is enough for me to say "No!", but throw in the horrific nature of some execution techniques and the fact that you're actually killing someone, and my argument becomes even more enforced in my own mind.

 

 

 

The death penalty should NEVER be re-introduced - even at the expense of tax payers' money.

[warri0r45]

 

 

 

So...Mr. Dude who killed 10 people gets to spend his life in prison, having his meals handed to him at an expense of $100-200k/year paid for by the state (AKA, you)?

 

 

 

Hmm.. I've heard it's more expensive to go through the legal process of enforcing capital punishment than to keep them in prison for life.

 

 

 

Highly doubt that.

 

 

 

A life sentance (opposed to it's title) is 60 years. 60 times $100-200k is somewhere around 6-12 million dollars.

 

 

 

Not everyone lives for 80+ years. Especially not in prison.

 

 

 

By the way. Where do you get that $100-200k per year?

 

 

 

Read somewhere that that is what it takes to keep 'em fed and clothed and whatnot.

 

 

 

Jeez... 100 to 200 thousand a year? I don't need that much to be fed and clothed and I get good food and new clothes. I might piece together some research at a later date unless someone else beats me to it...

 

 

 

Anyway I'm not overly pro or against. Ultimately I'd rather a life sentence with parole and a remorseful and repenting convict who won't do it again. Alas, this isn't a perfect world...

[Achilleus]

100-200k dollars a year..Thats utter Rubbish

 

 

 

So your saying it takes 4 times as much to feed and cloth one person

 

 

 

 

 

than lets say a Family of 3 on a yearly salary of $25,000.

 

 

 

 

 

Id say its around $5000 , Mabye less.....Also prisons most probably buy there food in bulk so its much cheaper. Prisoners in England who want extra food (Like chocolate) have to work for it or have family give it to the....

 

 

 

I am against the Death on the one principle that you never know its that actual person

 

 

 

 

 

How much does it cost to incarcerate an inmate for a year?

 

 

 

In Fiscal Year 2004-05, it cost $18,108 a year or $49.61 a day to feed, clothe, house, educate and provide medical services for an inmate at a major prison, which is only $486 more per year than it cost the previous fiscal year. For more inmate cost per day information, go to http://www.dc.state.fl.us/ pub/annual/ 0405/budget.html.

 

 

 

Just got that off the web (Florida Prison I think) so its a bit more than I thought but still way of 100k

[Achilleus]

On June 30, 2005, there were 369 inmates on Florida's death row.

 

 

 

 

 

Florida administers execution by electric chair or lethal injection. Lethal injection became an option for death row inmates in FY 1999-00.

 

 

 

 

 

The first inmate to die by lethal injection was Terry Sims on February 23, 2000.

 

 

 

 

 

While tobacco was banned inside Florida prisons on January 1, 2000, death row inmates were exempted from this rule since they have no access to designated smoking areas.

 

 

 

 

 

The executioner is an anonymous, private citizen who is paid $150 cash per execution.

 

 

 

 

 

A death row cell is 6 X 9 X 9.5 feet high.

 

 

 

 

 

One death row inmate was executed in FY 2004-2005.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Intresting that A private citizen executes (I am English Never knew that)

[Giordano]

I'm Pro-Punishment but they got to change the whole thing.

 

Spend 1.3 million dollars on a painless death? [bleep] that! If the murder tortured the poor vitim, then torture him too. Murder shot his leg till he bleed to death? Shoot him in the leg. Simple: How you killed your vitim = How you'll die.

 

Please, don't put the inhumane thing to me since the murder isn't quite humane in the first place eh? Why should we give him mercy?

 

 

 

I know someone will post the whole 'A eye for a eye makes the whole world blind.' Well in my system, you only do it to people who are guilty. The police who kills the murder isn't guilty, he's just doing his stop of eliminating the guilty.

[Striker6]

Yes really.

 

 

 

I want to hear you guys' opinion on it. Should it be aloud? In what cases? Morally wrong? Necessary?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My view:

 

 

 

I think it is just wrong. What makes a human decide on an other human's life? It is not up to us judge another's life. For example there is a serial killer who killed 10 people. If we kill him its just the same that he did. Murder.

 

 

 

So...Mr. Dude who killed 10 people gets to spend his life in prison, having his meals handed to him at an expense of $100-200k/year paid for by the state (AKA, you)?

 

 

 

Pretty sure killing the bastard is a better choice.

 

 

 

Personally, I'd rather die than sit in prison, but there isn't much bad about having all your meals given to you and getting to watch TV 17 hours a day.

 

 

 

Do you know how much a death penalty costs?

 

 

 

Apparently it's around 1.3 million dollars, which is complete crap, because a bullet is like 7 cents last I checked. Do the math, still cheaper than housing them.

 

 

 

Yeah agreed, I doubt it would cost that amount of money for a firing squad. How do you spend 1.3 million dollars on the death penalty? That number is huge and I don't know why......

[____]

I'm Pro-Punishment but they got to change the whole thing.

 

Spend 1.3 million dollars on a painless death? [bleep] that! If the murder tortured the poor vitim, then torture him too. Murder shot his leg till he bleed to death? Shoot him in the leg. Simple: How you killed your vitim = How you'll die.

 

Please, don't put the inhumane thing to me since the murder isn't quite humane in the first place eh? Why should we give him mercy?

 

 

 

I know someone will post the whole 'A eye for a eye makes the whole world blind.' Well in my system, you only do it to people who are guilty. The police who kills the murder isn't guilty, he's just doing his stop of eliminating the guilty.

For the longest time that I've been here - I was almost convinced that I was the only person who had that view.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Although I also went to the extreme on that aspect... them killing someone didn't always = death sentance of the same manner.

 

 

 

Punishing the innocent also came into play - and i mean i'm cruel.

 

 

 

You brutally murder a family leaving one person alive.. then if you happen to have a family of your own... they are brutally murder in the exact same manner. And to make it more interesting, you'd then get throw in jail for life, no parole, no human contact. Just you in a box for the rest of your life.

[Striker6]

I'm Pro-Punishment but they got to change the whole thing.

 

Spend 1.3 million dollars on a painless death? [bleep] that! If the murder tortured the poor vitim, then torture him too. Murder shot his leg till he bleed to death? Shoot him in the leg. Simple: How you killed your vitim = How you'll die.

 

Please, don't put the inhumane thing to me since the murder isn't quite humane in the first place eh? Why should we give him mercy?

 

 

 

I know someone will post the whole 'A eye for a eye makes the whole world blind.' Well in my system, you only do it to people who are guilty. The police who kills the murder isn't guilty, he's just doing his stop of eliminating the guilty.

For the longest time that I've been here - I was almost convinced that I was the only person who had that view.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Although I also went to the extreme on that aspect... them killing someone didn't always = death sentance of the same manner.

 

 

 

Punishing the innocent also came into play - and i mean i'm cruel.

 

 

 

You brutally murder a family leaving one person alive.. then if you happen to have a family of your own... they are brutally murder in the exact same manner. And to make it more interesting, you'd then get throw in jail for life, no parole, no human contact. Just you in a box for the rest of your life.

 

 

50 years later

 

 

 

*knock knock on the box*

 

 

 

"Ohhh erm you're still here, well good news we just found out you're actually innocent and we got the wrong guy, the bad news is your entire family is dead and you've lived 50 years inside a box, we're sorry".

 

 

 

Well atleast you know you're a sadist :-s

[____]

Well atleast you know you're a sadist :-s

Like I said - extreme.

 

 

 

 

 

Gotta take a risk.

[Led-Zeppelin]

If there were serious repucussions to crimes, I mean SERIOUS (not get fed, watch TV, in a cell for the rest of your life) maybe there wouldn't be so many violent crimes eh?

 

 

 

Over here in New Zealand, we have such a crap justice system, where murder will get you only about 12 years in jail. I don't see it getting better either as all our prisons are overcrowded.

 

 

 

I'm pro punishment, and in an extreme way, none of this pansy lethal injection. What sort of message does that send to mentally derranged psychos? Go on a murdering rampage and we'll put you to sleep! If I came into your house, murdered your entire family, in a very brutal and horrible way, left you alive. What would you like to happen to me? Get three square meals a day, watch tv, I mean sure, the occasional corn holing, but I'd be better off then your loved ones eh?

[____]

but I'd be better off then your loved ones eh?

I'd be more worried if the prison system has better facilities than community housing. I know it's like that here in Australia to some degree where jails have better everything than some schools, and to a lesser degree housing provided by the government.

 

 

 

Hell, if I was one of them - i'd go out and commit a serious crime just to get a better standard of living. Makes no sense, but that wouldn't suprise me for the motivation of some to go out and do it.

[Guest]

but I'd be better off then your loved ones eh?

I'd be more worried if the prison system has better facilities than community housing. I know it's like that here in Australia to some degree where jails have better everything than some schools, and to a lesser degree housing provided by the government.

 

 

 

Hell, if I was one of them - i'd go out and commit a serious crime just to get a better standard of living. Makes no sense, but that wouldn't suprise me for the motivation of some to go out and do it.

 

 

 

:lol: Even though that were true in an extreme view in comparison to schools and some minimum security jails we still have to remember that the facilities in a Jail aren't the only punishment through being in Jail, there's alot worse things concerning Jails, right?

 

 

 

But yeah I know you were joking anyway. :wink:

 

 

 

...Well I hope so haha

[Harrington]

Unfortunately, society has lost sight of the penal and justice system's actual function. It is in place, not to rehabilitate, not to coddle, no, but to prevent crime from occurring in the first place.

 

 

 

We've tried the "I feel your pain and I sympathise", approach for too long now, and it doesn't seem to be working. All these criminals are doing is soaking up money and resources, with luxurious prison accomodation, overly complex and lengthy legal proceedings followed by appeal after appeal.

 

 

 

All of this for proven murderes, rapists, child molesters etc... how dare anyone squander our money and resources on this. I'm sick of it.

 

 

 

I firmly believe that as a means of deterent, that capital punishment should be used for many of our most horrible crimes (specifically the ones I've mentioned above). Conditions of death would be;

 

* an majority ruling by jury.

 

* five years death row, pending other information that may come to light

 

 

 

While I'm on the subject, sentences should be dramatically increased for crimes that don't quite muster the death penalty, again, as a means of detering would be criminals in the first place. Prison accomodation and conditions should also be significantly reduced.

 

 

 

I'm under no illusion that capital punishment would stop these horrible crimes, of course not, but they would certainly reduce instances of them (assuming the legal process isn't so complex and offering wouldbe criminals false hope that the odds of escaping it are in their favour).

 

 

 

It may not stop it altogether... but each death penalty will certainly reduce it by one.

[Tigra00]

100-200k dollars a year..Thats utter Rubbish

 

 

 

So your saying it takes 4 times as much to feed and cloth one person

 

 

 

 

 

than lets say a Family of 3 on a yearly salary of $25,000.

 

 

 

 

 

Id say its around $5000 , Mabye less.....Also prisons most probably buy there food in bulk so its much cheaper. Prisoners in England who want extra food (Like chocolate) have to work for it or have family give it to the....

 

 

 

I am against the Death on the one principle that you never know its that actual person

 

 

 

 

 

How much does it cost to incarcerate an inmate for a year?

 

 

 

In Fiscal Year 2004-05, it cost $18,108 a year or $49.61 a day to feed, clothe, house, educate and provide medical services for an inmate at a major prison, which is only $486 more per year than it cost the previous fiscal year. For more inmate cost per day information, go to http://www.dc.state.fl.us/ pub/annual/ 0405/budget.html.

 

 

 

Just got that off the web (Florida Prison I think) so its a bit more than I thought but still way of 100k

 

 

 

That's hilarious. 5 grand? Go look it up. The government always spends crazy amounts of money on stuff, and Prisoners is no exception. They probably buy their food from companies who over-charge them to boot, just because they can.