Athiest?

[heartless619]

EDIT: I get it now!!! My view is that having faith and hope is better than believing in rationality because if it doesn't come true no regrets if it does you've done the right thing it's not like you have no fun when you're a religous bloke. Better safe than sorry to sum it all up :)

 

That is taking the easy way out.

 

 

 

That is not basing opinion off empirical data. That is not having faith. That is not rational thinking. That is not true believing.

 

 

 

That is cowardice.

 

 

 

haha id say that is the smart way out.

 

 

 

and pretty much the last part of what HE said is dumb...but you are calling me a coward now? because i have faith im taking the easy way out?

 

then why is that Christianity as is so large you are calling all these people cowards?

 

 

 

also i found this...

 

HOW MANY PEOPLE GO REGULARLY TO WEEKLY RELIGIOUS SERVICES?

 

 

 

The United States has a higher level of church attendance than any other country which is "at a comparable level of development."

 

 

 

53% of Americans consider religion to be very important in their lives. This compares with 16% in Britain, 14% in France and 13% in Germany.

 

 

 

The importance of religion has been declining in developed countries.

 

 

 

In those countries which are "experiencing economic stagnation and political uncertainty," the importance of religion is high.

 

 

 

so about a post on page 4...about the Youtube video..and the guy being a brit...lmao look at these findings..16% of brits showing that not many brits have a religion.

[insane]

I have no qualms with people who follow Christ. It's just the tagline of defending ideas such as creationism, the flood, miracles, morality against homosexuality, etc, which make the people defending it look like they feel thier faith in Christ is somehow comprimised if these ideas are challanged.

 

 

 

I always figured miracles made possible by God's existence was an axiom :|

[tripsis]

I'm an atheist because I don't like making assumptions about aspects of life that we don't know about it. I don't believe that anybody knows for certain whether a god(s) exist or not, and I'm not the kind of person who likes to jump to conclusions.

 

 

 

I was raised to be a Christian but quickly rejected the religion. I really don't like the whole 'servant' aspect of Christianity (the idea that we're here to serve God and do as he pleases). This isn't meant to hold selfish connotations, but I believe that we're here to live for ourselves and not someone else. My mother still makes me go to church every Sunday and the priest is always saying things like, "God wants us to do this.. God wants us to do that.. We have to follow God's wishes.." and I just don't agree with that view (maybe other priests are different, but that's the interpretation I got of Christianity through my mom's church). I think that whether a god exists or not, we should fulfill our own dreams and desires and not live for someone else.

 

 

 

So I guess that's why I'm an atheist/reject the church :wall:

[heartless619]

Rather than giving the money to the poor, for example, he opted to instead have his feet washed with perfume with the money, saying: "You will always have the poor, but you will only have me for a short time."

 

 

 

Sounds rather selfish, so I guess you can, like...Be an atheist now...Or...Something? :?

 

 

 

Lmao...your complete ignorance to comprhend this saying astounds me..as assasin or bubbsa would say..

 

 

 

Pm me if you wish to know the meening behind this Wise saying..haha

 

 

 

your an idiot i must say..lol you being non religouse couldnt even comprhend this i guess...

[heartless619]

the flood,

 

 

 

 

as you know...Every religion out there has a story of a Great Flood....

 

now my 12th grade english escapes me..but an old story from some middle eastern country very popular has a story of great flood..

 

 

 

Rostam and Sohrab, no...but its is some story help?

[warri0r45]

 

I have a general question for those evolution doubters out there; what would it take for you to be done with a literal account of genesis and rather see it as metaphorical? I'm sure if there was a god he'd be a top bloke and wouldn't punish you for following the rationality and critical thinking skills which help us conclude evolution and which he gave us.

 

 

 

Ok if i understand what your saying...

 

what is Easier to believe (only you can decide)

 

1. God created the earth and everything in 6 days

 

or the..

 

2. Big bang theory along with the Implosion to create earth Specialy for us..and you now believe the earth is 4.6 billion years old...and we were created from Monkeys and fish...

 

 

 

That's simple. One has evidence and one does not. One is a myth and one was concluded after looking at nature and gathering evidence. Do some proper research on the issue and you'll see what I mean.

 

 

 

I can give you a broad depiction of why evolution makes sense if you'd like but as for the others I'd advise you to ask a scientist.

 

 

 

Edit: The bold highlights a misunderstanding you made. Earth was not created specially for us. We evolved to suit it. The fact that everything is just so for life to even exist is to be expected. To elaborate on that, natural selection has killed off any individual that dosen't meet the requirements, so to speak, over the 3 billion or so years of evolution because fitting the requirements makes you more able to pass on your genes to the next generation while not fitting the requirements usually results in the death of those ill fitting genes.

[warri0r45]

I have no qualms with people who follow Christ. It's just the tagline of defending ideas such as creationism, the flood, miracles, morality against homosexuality, etc, which make the people defending it look like they feel thier faith in Christ is somehow comprimised if these ideas are challanged.

 

 

 

I always figured miracles made possible by God's existence was an axiom :|

 

 

 

Of course. God can supposedly do anything. But there's no evidence for any of this, miracles included.

[Guest]

LOL, a rational person like myself and many others, need actual proof before we'll believe in something and shape our whole life and intellect into following it...

 

 

 

What sickens me is the cop-out arguement, "Oh, but I believe. It's all about belief without proof". That's the lamest thing I've ever heard.

 

 

 

Ok, let's suppose the following...

 

 

 

I believe that God is in fact an evil, brown with pink pocka-dots, four eyed monster from the fifth dimension called Larry. Larry created the universe in a great big explosion and preaches destruction, violence, chaos and absolute loneliness.

 

 

 

Now you're thinking... "Don't be ridiculous. There's no such being and you're just being stupid".

 

But I BELIEVE in him, and that's all that's needed.

 

 

 

In fact, there's more proof that Larry exists than your God. The universe was created with a Big Bang. We look around and see unimaginable violence in the heart of supernovae, pulsars, neutron stars, black holes and gammaray bursters. The universe is absolute chaos which can barely be described even with our most advance mathematics and physics. And we are very alone, with no other known species out there.

 

 

 

So why don't you believe in Larry??? Eh, are you saying my God is fake? I'll put a Jihad on your [wagon]! ;) ;) ;)

 

 

 

Now I agree this is stupid... of course Larry isn't real, but if I was an influential person, say someone like L Ron Hubbard (scientology), or someone like Jesus (christianity), I could maybe spin a whole religion out of this concept. Then centuries from now, who would dare question the Sacred Word of Larry's Gospel?

 

 

 

I hope you can draw the parallels from Larry and God. They are surprisingly very similar.

 

 

 

Its been evidently proven that their was a guy around just over 2000 years ago called Jesus. And its the way that my religion changes people's lives that people believe that he's alive (such as personal members of my family) and the miracles which occur which we hear and see about.

 

 

 

There's no need for examples because you'll not believe it anyway, but I'm just giving you reasons that show that a lot of Christians don't just believe in the God and the Bible just because they've got nothing better to do with their time but for many others more positive reasons.

[Tigra00]

Rather than giving the money to the poor, for example, he opted to instead have his feet washed with perfume with the money, saying: "You will always have the poor, but you will only have me for a short time."

 

 

 

Sounds rather selfish, so I guess you can, like...Be an atheist now...Or...Something? :?

 

 

 

Lmao...your complete ignorance to comprhend this saying astounds me..as assasin or bubbsa would say..

 

 

 

Pm me if you wish to know the meening behind this Wise saying..haha

 

 

 

your an idiot i must say..lol you being non religouse couldnt even comprhend this i guess...

 

 

 

I'm the idiot, but you cannot spell nor put together a coherant sentance? Oooookay, tough guy. Please, call upon the power of Jesus to guide you through this tough time...You're going to need it.

 

 

 

Please, do enlighten us on what Jesus meant that made it so "wise". There is nothing wise about having your feet washed instead of feeding some hungry people. Ohhh, but he said he'd only be there for a short time...AND IT WAS TRUE! That makes it wise? Screw you, you're all idiots. I'm a genius.

 

 

 

^ Also wise.

 

 

 

Edit: Oh, and what the Hell is this constant nonsense about non-religious people not being able to understand ANYTHING in the Bible? We both can read (actually, I'm questioning your skills there, perhaps YOU'RE the one who doesn't get it!), so we can both see what the [bleep] is being said. The only difference is that you have some preacher TELL you what it means, as opposed to actually reading it for what it says. Yes, there are many metaphores in the Bible, and I understand them completely, but that WASN'T one of them, so please, save the "What he meant was that you'll always have the poor and you should always take care of them, but you should always take care of your short-staying guests first!" bullcrap.

 

 

 

And besides that, who even said I wasn't religious? I'm just not a MORON. Large difference, but seeing as you ARE religious, I wouldn't expect you to be able to tell the difference between "psycho-blind-faith-religious" and "idiot". They're one in the same.

[Ghost-Knigth]

What makes me an atheist?

 

 

 

I just can't find a reason for believing that some dude created this worlds and watches us. I also think that religion is a way to totally destroy your selfasteem because you always need God to help you through. Why can't people have some belief I'm themselves?

 

Besides that, I also think that religion is bad for some because it totally controls their lifes. Islamists for an example: they are brainwashed at baby-stage and now they have to live their life after a silly book. (sorry if I offend someone by this). Why can't people not just live their life as they want to? I know that's what I do.:)

 

 

 

Of course I respect that people have and follow their religion. No problems there. I just think that it's sad in some aspects of life.

[One Too Far]

No solid proof of God?

 

 

 

Wow I didn't realise there was solid proof that he didn't exist either. Have I missed something? :roll:

 

 

 

ok so if i say there is a flying elephant on a planet you can't see, theres no prove against or for it. i feel the same way about god (not that he is a flying elephant, i do beleive he might exicst, just that maybe allah is the real god? or the christian god? just there is no prove he exiscist or which god it is)

[insane]

I have no qualms with people who follow Christ. It's just the tagline of defending ideas such as creationism, the flood, miracles, morality against homosexuality, etc, which make the people defending it look like they feel thier faith in Christ is somehow comprimised if these ideas are challanged.

 

 

 

I always figured miracles made possible by God's existence was an axiom :|

 

 

 

Of course. God can supposedly do anything. But there's no evidence for any of this, miracles included.

 

 

 

But you implied you have qualms with Christians that believe in miracles, but no qualms with Christians that don't believe in miracles. If someone is a Christian they are going to believe in God making belief in miracles a perfectly consistent view to have. If belief in miracles is ridiculous in your opinion, then belief in God must be equally ridiculous in your opinion making Christianity ridiculously in your opinion which begs the question do you really have no qualms with people that follow Christ?

[Pureodoom1]

Hello fellow tip it'ers.

 

 

 

Going through this topic, its been quite a intresting show. However, no matter what I write, or what anyone else here writes, no one is going to change anyone elses mind, because you can only change your mind yourself.

 

 

 

So i'm willing to make a wager.

 

 

 

Currently I am a christian, but I would be willing to change my mind and go agnostic or athiest if you fellow non-religious people will do me 1 small favor.

 

 

 

Instead of judging christianity by the conduct of christians, judge christianity by the conduct of Christ.

 

 

 

If you find fault, I will turn to athiest or agnostic on the flip of a coin.

 

 

 

~Defender~

 

 

 

Going on the actions of Christ is fine. From what I understand (I'm no theologian) he was a decent bloke who taught some good things. It's all the supernatural baggage that is contradicted by science which is the irrational part.

 

 

 

I have no qualms with people who follow Christ. It's just the tagline of defending ideas such as creationism, the flood, miracles, morality against homosexuality, etc, which make the people defending it look like they feel thier faith in Christ is somehow comprimised if these ideas are challanged.

 

 

 

I have a general question for those evolution doubters out there; what would it take for you to be done with a literal account of genesis and rather see it as metaphorical? I'm sure if there was a god he'd be a top bloke and wouldn't punish you for following the rationality and critical thinking skills which help us conclude evolution and which he gave us.

 

 

 

EDIT: I get it now!!! My view is that having faith and hope is better than believing in rationality because if it doesn't come true no regrets if it does you've done the right thing it's not like you have no fun when you're a religous bloke. Better safe than sorry to sum it all up :)

 

 

 

 

 

By the way I don't exactly get your signature with Americans going to bed but I know our government is in control. Lol?

 

 

 

Ask yourself why would god punish me for thinking rationally and trying to unveil the mysteries of this world? Why would god punish me for being skeptical and thus leaving unanswered and difficult questions up for answering? Why would god punish me for trying to look past faith and accept reason to try and improve the world in some tangible way?

 

 

 

Either way I'm sure god would be the first of all entities to see through your better safe than sorry rationale. Either have faith or don't. Don't make excuses so you can have faith.

 

 

 

And the quote in my sig is a quote from comedian Bill Hicks.

 

 

 

 

 

Don't let my "better safe than sorry" outlook confuse you. I have a very strong faith within my religion I'm just finding a way to explain it to the rational among us. Structure and intelligence isn't all great. I believe ignorance is bliss so I refuse to read scientific mumbo jumbo when I'm perfectly content. (Sum it up I LIKE being stupid) If you can explain atheism with some proof in one 10 word sentence please do so. And this is not an excuse it's perfectally logical and has a beautiful outcome. Just try it mates. Please? IT'S NOT COWARDICE I'm trying to give Atheists a reason to try it. What I believe you guys are saying is that you WANT to gamble with your life. Makes absolutely no sense to me but then again I guess religion makes no sense to you.

[Rebdragon]

EDIT: I get it now!!! My view is that having faith and hope is better than believing in rationality because if it doesn't come true no regrets if it does you've done the right thing it's not like you have no fun when you're a religous bloke. Better safe than sorry to sum it all up :)

 

That is taking the easy way out.

 

 

 

That is not basing opinion off empirical data. That is not having faith. That is not rational thinking. That is not true believing.

 

 

 

That is cowardice.

 

 

 

haha id say that is the smart way out.

 

 

 

and pretty much the last part of what HE said is dumb...but you are calling me a coward now? because i have faith im taking the easy way out?

 

then why is that Christianity as is so large you are calling all these people cowards?

 

Having faith for the sake of having faith is not "technically" taking the easy way out, but I'd say it is to some small extent (if you fear your God at all, that is). What he's saying is that he'd have "faith" solely for the purpose of making sure he got into heaven. So I'm not attacking faith and believing, but the use of it for one's own cowardice.

 

 

 

If I were the Christian God, I'd list my preferences this way:

 

 

 

1) Christians

 

2) Rational atheists

 

3) Him.

[Satenza]

Faith is a stupid word which really means "ignore everthing about life and the world and believe this". I have faith that a billion dollars will fall into my hands sometime, yeah thats right. Faith is nothing.

[Pureodoom1]

EDIT: I get it now!!! My view is that having faith and hope is better than believing in rationality because if it doesn't come true no regrets if it does you've done the right thing it's not like you have no fun when you're a religous bloke. Better safe than sorry to sum it all up :)

 

That is taking the easy way out.

 

 

 

That is not basing opinion off empirical data. That is not having faith. That is not rational thinking. That is not true believing.

 

 

 

That is cowardice.

 

 

 

haha id say that is the smart way out.

 

 

 

and pretty much the last part of what HE said is dumb...but you are calling me a coward now? because i have faith im taking the easy way out?

 

then why is that Christianity as is so large you are calling all these people cowards?

 

Having faith for the sake of having faith is not "technically" taking the easy way out, but I'd say it is to some small extent (if you fear your God at all, that is). What he's saying is that he'd have "faith" solely for the purpose of making sure he got into heaven. So I'm not attacking faith and believing, but the use of it for one's own cowardice.

 

 

 

If I were the Christian God, I'd list my preferences this way:

 

 

 

1) Christians

 

2) Rational atheists

 

3) Him.

 

 

 

Okay you've taken it wrong once again. I'm giving you guys a reason to do this. By the way in the Bible it says you ARE supposed to be God-fearing. The reason I go to church is because I believe strongly in my religion. You want to now how, eh? I get shivers when I'm at church. I no longer think about things that would normally have me in a bunch. I know I will see my loved ones again. I feel absolutely splendid whenever I think or even hear about God he makes me feel better than I have ever had time and time again.

[Striker6]

Faith is a stupid word which really means "ignore everthing about life and the world and believe this". I have faith that a billion dollars will fall into my hands sometime, yeah thats right. Faith is nothing.

 

 

 

That's not faith, mainly because you said it sarcastically and don't really believe that.

[venomai]

What I believe you guys are saying is that you WANT to gamble with your life. Makes absolutely no sense to me but then again I guess religion makes no sense to you.

 

Religion makes sense to us. We have explored it scientifically and intelligently. Our conclusion is that no evidence of God can be found.

 

 

 

I would rather not slave myself to an entity which may not even exist. That would be gambling my life, in my opinion. Throwing away so much time and money to the benefit of the Church. That's a gamble I'm not willing to take.

 

 

 

Sorry if this was over your 10 word "idiot limit". :-k

[assassin_696]

:wall:

 

 

 

Sorry, but i'm not even going to bother with people who actually want to remain ignorant in the face of evidence for evolution or the big bang. Hate to sound crude, but you don't deserve the effort. Any Christians willing to be openminded here?

 

 

 

Oh, and Defender, a lot of Jesus' beautitudes were reasonably sound moral teachings, but if you trawl through the Bible you can find some equally disgusting rubbish that he spouts on about.

 

 

 

But two examples (both Jesus):

 

 

 

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

 

 

 

And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

 

 

 

And, on a final note, even if there was a god, I sure as hell would not bow to and praise him. How vain.

[Defender2516]

Well, lets pretend for a moment that God did not exist. It is 100% Truth and Fact. What would happen to the world?

 

 

 

Well since the Bible is thrown away, the whole "love unconditionally" is also thrown away. So I would expect alot more fighting, and alot less rational thinking for "peace".

 

 

 

Since everyone wants to go their own way, then no one goes anywhere. Teamwork is key but who would listen?

 

 

 

Then you would have those who only want you to listen and act on their side but will not giving a lending ear to yours.

 

 

 

Morality may it be good or bad (in my opinion good), would be thrown out, as who is teaching it? Certainly not the schools, as that would be unconstitutional.

 

 

 

What about all these children who grow up now, who do not have a religion in their life? Some are doing well, but most are doing terrible. All based on how they was raised.

 

 

 

Then after "enjoying".. your life .. you then proceed to die in fear, because you are not immortal.

 

 

 

However, if you was a christian, you would atleast die without fear, having hope of heaven.

 

 

 

 

 

I see a brighter world with christianity than without. And please do not mention the crusades against it.. that was so long ago, you won't see a army of christians lining up at your door, so please relate it to present times.

 

 

 

~Defender~

[Bubsa]

Lmao...your complete ignorance to comprhend this saying astounds me..as assasin or bubbsa would say..

 

Never, ever, associate me, my thoughts or opinions to those of yours. You literally strike fear into my soul with your words. Your contradicting, idiotic, words.

[heartless619]

lol =P~

[heartless619]

 

I have a general question for those evolution doubters out there; what would it take for you to be done with a literal account of genesis and rather see it as metaphorical? I'm sure if there was a god he'd be a top bloke and wouldn't punish you for following the rationality and critical thinking skills which help us conclude evolution and which he gave us.

 

 

 

Ok if i understand what your saying...

 

what is Easier to believe (only you can decide)

 

1. God created the earth and everything in 6 days

 

or the..

 

2. Big bang theory along with the Implosion to create earth Specialy for us..and you now believe the earth is 4.6 billion years old...and we were created from Monkeys and fish...

 

 

 

That's simple. One has evidence and one does not. One is a myth and one was concluded after looking at nature and gathering evidence. Do some proper research on the issue and you'll see what I mean.

 

 

 

I can give you a broad depiction of why evolution makes sense if you'd like but as for the others I'd advise you to ask a scientist.

 

 

 

Edit: The bold highlights a misunderstanding you made. Earth was not created specially for us. We evolved to suit it. The fact that everything is just so for life to even exist is to be expected. To elaborate on that, natural selection has killed off any individual that dosen't meet the requirements, so to speak, over the 3 billion or so years of evolution because fitting the requirements makes you more able to pass on your genes to the next generation while not fitting the requirements usually results in the death of those ill fitting genes.

 

 

 

lol, evidence you are talking about the bible?

 

 

 

because I have taken a geology class learning all the scientist rubbish.

 

do tell me why evolution makes sense.

 

and i know they haven't concluded evolution..there is no evidence at all that we came from fish or damn monkeys.

 

and im pretty damn sure the moon didn't come out of the pacific ocean...so therefore im guessing the earth is at about 8000 years old and not this outrageous number 4.6bill

[Flametrooper]

Gahhhhh, this stupidity is making my brain hurt.

 

 

 

and i know they haven't concluded evolution..there is no evidence at all that we came from fish or damn monkeys.

They pretty much have concluded evolution and it is well accepted. Even many religious people accept it. The theory of evolution does not state that we "came from fish or damn monkeys". It states that humans, fish, and damn monkeys have a common ancestor. Evolution does not, I repeat does NOT, say humans came from monkeys. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEADS, PEOPLE.

 

 

 

:wall:

[Rebdragon]

lol, evidence you are talking about the bible?

 

 

 

because I have taken a geology class learning all the scientist rubbish.

 

do tell me why evolution makes sense.

 

and i know they haven't concluded evolution..there is no evidence at all that we came from fish or damn monkeys.

 

and im pretty damn sure the moon didn't come out of the pacific ocean...so therefore im guessing the earth is at about 8000 years old and not this outrageous number 4.6bill

 

Wow.

 

 

 

You are... how old?

 

 

 

Seriously? 11ish? 10?