Athiest?

[ThurinEthir]

Hm, apparently no one else thinks that parts of both Scientology (Or whatever you like to call it) and Christianity can be true.

 

What I mean is that the scientific explanations and theories could easily be fit into the Bible.

 

For example, the scientific belief is that the earth is 4.6 billions years old. The Bible says 5000 years and 6 "Days". If I remember correctly, "Day" and "Age" are the same word in Hebrew. A translation error could have changed it from 6 ages to 6 days. So...Let's take it as 6 ages. An age could be what, millions of years? Billions? Assuming that an age is about 750000000 (Ahh...I think I did it wrong...) years, then the Bible agrees with the scientific proof. 4.6 billion years.

 

This can also be applied to evolution. The Bible only says "humans". Never "Homo sapiens". The humans mentioned during creation could've been Australopithecus aferensis (Sp?). Then God decided to modify them as they weren't good, and he did that through mutations or whatever. Eventually, the result turned out to be Homo sapiens. (I'm too lazy to put in italics...)

 

 

 

So...I'm neutral. I'm a Christian, yet I don't believe everything in the Bible. I believe parts of the scientific stuff is true, as there is undeniable proof, yet not all of it has solid proof that I'll agree with.

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure that I'll get flamed by a few people. Or at least people will get close to flaming me. Whatever happens, none of you will change my opinion. So don't even bother trying.

[Satenza]

Why would God choose to mutate things into other things when he could simply click his fingers and make it appear. Are you telling me he was actually purposefully adding to the paradoxical mess he is currently in? If so how could not beleiving in him be a sin when he made himself so illogical and ridiculous intentionally and still coencide with his apparent qualities?

[Try]

the earth is at about 8000 years old and not this outrageous number 4.6bill

 

So you're saying God created all those fossils just to trick us? =D>

 

Don't make yourself an idiot here, even all the religious people I know accept the fact that Earth is more than a few thousand years old.

[assassin_696]

heartless, you're an idiot.

 

 

 

Well, lets pretend for a moment that God did not exist. It is 100% Truth and Fact. What would happen to the world?

 

 

 

Well since the Bible is thrown away, the whole "love unconditionally" is also thrown away. So I would expect alot more fighting, and alot less rational thinking for "peace".

 

 

 

Funny that, since religious conflicts have been the base of so many modern conflicts (i'm thinking terrorism, Israeli-Palestine) i'm thinking a lot less fighting and since there's no irrational stuff to believe in we have a lot more rational thinking.

 

 

 

Since everyone wants to go their own way, then no one goes anywhere. Teamwork is key but who would listen?

 

 

 

Don't be ridiculous, since when is religion required for teawork or cooperation?

 

 

 

Then you would have those who only want you to listen and act on their side but will not giving a lending ear to yours.

 

 

 

Morality may it be good or bad (in my opinion good), would be thrown out, as who is teaching it? Certainly not the schools, as that would be unconstitutional.

 

 

 

Wait a second though, i'm moral, and i'm an atheist. How does that work? Your logic fails.

 

 

 

What about all these children who grow up now, who do not have a religion in their life? Some are doing well, but most are doing terrible. All based on how they was raised.

 

 

 

Any evidence for how children growing up without religion, abuse from priests, terror of hell, loss of foreskin, a more varied diet and ridiculous daily rituals live happier lives? Nah, didn't think so. Religion is child abuse (to be controversial).

 

 

 

Then after "enjoying".. your life .. you then proceed to die in fear, because you are not immortal.

 

 

 

However, if you was a christian, you would atleast die without fear, having hope of heaven.

 

 

 

Unless you've committed a sin, then you're goin' straight to eternal torture! Anyway, many atheists have died perfectly contentedly, with no worries or fears, just a contentment that they made the most and lived their lives to the fullest. Again, baseless assumption.

 

 

 

I see a brighter world with christianity than without. And please do not mention the crusades against it.. that was so long ago, you won't see a army of christians lining up at your door, so please relate it to present times.

 

 

 

Alright then, how about those wacko fundamentalists who want to nuclear war because they reckon it will bring about the armaggdedon and second coming of Christ? They're similarly violent.

 

 

 

Your whole argument is based on the fact that we need religion to be moral, when that has been proven to be absolutely false.

 

 

 

You've also conveniently ignored the bad-Christ quotes I offered you.

[venomai]

Well, lets pretend for a moment that God did not exist. It is 100% Truth and Fact. What would happen to the world?

 

 

 

Well since the Bible is thrown away, the whole "love unconditionally" is also thrown away. So I would expect alot more fighting, and alot less rational thinking for "peace".

 

 

 

Since everyone wants to go their own way, then no one goes anywhere. Teamwork is key but who would listen?

 

 

 

Then you would have those who only want you to listen and act on their side but will not giving a lending ear to yours.

 

 

 

Morality may it be good or bad (in my opinion good), would be thrown out, as who is teaching it? Certainly not the schools, as that would be unconstitutional.

 

 

 

What about all these children who grow up now, who do not have a religion in their life? Some are doing well, but most are doing terrible. All based on how they was raised.

 

 

 

Then after "enjoying".. your life .. you then proceed to die in fear, because you are not immortal.

 

 

 

However, if you was a christian, you would atleast die without fear, having hope of heaven.

 

 

 

 

 

I see a brighter world with christianity than without. And please do not mention the crusades against it.. that was so long ago, you won't see a army of christians lining up at your door, so please relate it to present times.

 

Don't be so ignorant. Take a look around you; many people who are not religious or who practice religions other than Christianity are very well off. And many Christians are not very well off.

 

 

 

It's a hard concept to grasp, but most people in this world do good things with or without the fear of God. If Christianity was removed, people would still work together and survive as one.

 

 

 

I don't fear death, I fear the thought of leaving this world before fully enjoying my life.

 

 

 

Assuming that an age is about 750000000 (Ahh...I think I did it wrong...) years, then the Bible agrees with the scientific proof. 4.6 billion years.

 

What kind of crazy science is this? You just pulled that number out of your [wagon]. :-s

 

 

 

The Hebrew word found in the original Bible, ỷ̮̫̉ma, does not mean mean "age". It can be translated to day, time, year, or, in the most general sense, period of time. For a long period of time (ie: an age) the word ỷ̮̫̉m would have been used.

 

 

 

Either way it seems like a stretch. :| Why can't you just admit that the Bible made a mistake?

 

 

 

PS: I realize this is all futile since many of us are so narrow minded. I'm only here to voice my opinions and to enjoy an "intelligent" debate.

[ThurinEthir]

 

Assuming that an age is about 750000000 (Ahh...I think I did it wrong...) years, then the Bible agrees with the scientific proof. 4.6 billion years.

 

What kind of crazy science is this? You just pulled that number out of your [wagon]. :-s

 

 

Even though Heartless may be an idiot, I felt that his statement of people claiming the world to be 4.6 billion years old was true. Actually, the real reason I used that was because I'm lazy, and I don't want to check how old people think the earth is. So I picked that.

 

And then for that 75000000 (Whatever) I did 4.6 billion divided by 6. it came up with two 7s with a bunch of 6s between them. Once again, I'm too lazy to find the real number.

 

 

 

 

The Hebrew word found in the original Bible, ỷ̮̫̉ma, does not mean mean "age". It can be translated to day, time, year, or, in the most general sense, period of time. For a long period of time (ie: an age) the word ỷ̮̫̉m would have been used.

 

 

 

Either way it seems like a stretch. :| Why can't you just admit that the Bible made a mistake?

 

 

I admit I don't know Hebrew well, and this is mainly things I've heard from other people, but when the Bible was being translated from Hebrew into English, the person who did it may have read it wrong and accidentally added an "a" to "yom". Yes, it's a stretch. But just because that theory is false doesn't mean that the Bible is wrong in this case.

 

 

 

The basic theory is that a "day", as Moses wrote, was not 24 hours. More like millions of years. There's no way to prove that, and there's no way to prove that wrong.

[assassin_696]

There's also no way to prove that fairies live at the bottom of my garden, should we believe that too?

[venomai]

If you're too lazy to do a bit of research you shouldn't bother with the "scientific proof" found in the Bible.

 

 

 

Scientifically, the Bible has many mistakes. Why wouldn't it, though? It's an age old book that was written before the time of modern technology. Many of the conclusions at the time (which have since been disproved) were made from simple observations by the naked eye.

 

 

 

There's no way to prove that, and there's no way to prove that wrong.

 

I feel like I'm arguing with the Flat Earth Society. :wall:

[ThurinEthir]

There's also no way to prove that fairies live at the bottom of my garden, should we believe that too?

 

You can prove that there aren't. That's the difference. I admit that my statement about that was dumb and pointless, but it was mainly so I don't get into a huge argument about whether or not the "days" were 24 hours or not.

 

 

 

If you're too lazy to do a bit of research you shouldn't bother with the "scientific proof" found in the Bible.

 

It's not found in the Bible. And apparently, the earth is supposedly 4.6 billion years old. My other number (750000000/Whatever) was a little random. But I don't see how that really matters, you should have gotten my point even if the number was wrong.

 

 

Scientifically, the Bible has many mistakes. Why wouldn't it, though? It's an age old book that was written before the time of modern technology. Many of the conclusions at the time (which have since been disproved) were made from simple observations by the naked eye.

 

So...We agree on this part. I don't know how many times I have to say this, but I'll say it one more time. I don't believe everything in the Bible. It was written thousands of years ago, and translated from Hebrew. There will be mistakes, and there are mistakes. But I don't believe the whole thing is wrong, and I don't think anyone believes the whole thing is wrong. But once again, I don't think the whole thing is right.

[Jaziek]

goddam... i hate going away for a couple of days and coming back and finding a topic like this.. I'd love to trawl through all 7 pages and argue with each and every religious believer on here.. But my reason would fall upon deaf ears i feel.

 

 

 

Sufficed to say.. In my opinion

 

 

 

Science is right, religion is wrong.

[Ginger_Warrior]

How is Christianity needed for morals and teamwork, when people were 'teaming up' to build the Pyramids of Giza under a pagonistic religion? :-k

[Tigra00]

How is Christianity needed for morals and teamwork, when people were 'teaming up' to build the Pyramids of Giza under a pagonistic religion? :-k

 

 

 

Egyptians also had morals...Punishing theives and murderers...Burying their dead, even!

 

 

 

But once you argue that...Religious people go "Well, God instilled those morals in them, of course..."

 

 

 

It's like...Just shut the [bleep] up. You lost the debate, Mr. Religious dude. Stop making excuses.

[superson]

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I have a general question for those evolution doubters out there; what would it take for you to be done with a literal account of genesis and rather see it as metaphorical? I'm sure if there was a god he'd be a top bloke and wouldn't punish you for following the rationality and critical thinking skills which help us conclude evolution and which he gave us.

 

 

 

Ok if i understand what your saying...

 

what is Easier to believe (only you can decide)

 

1. God created the earth and everything in 6 days

 

or the..

 

2. Big bang theory along with the Implosion to create earth Specialy for us..and you now believe the earth is 4.6 billion years old...and we were created from Monkeys and fish...

 

 

 

That's simple. One has evidence and one does not. One is a myth and one was concluded after looking at nature and gathering evidence. Do some proper research on the issue and you'll see what I mean.

 

 

 

I can give you a broad depiction of why evolution makes sense if you'd like but as for the others I'd advise you to ask a scientist.

 

 

 

Edit: The bold highlights a misunderstanding you made. Earth was not created specially for us. We evolved to suit it. The fact that everything is just so for life to even exist is to be expected. To elaborate on that, natural selection has killed off any individual that dosen't meet the requirements, so to speak, over the 3 billion or so years of evolution because fitting the requirements makes you more able to pass on your genes to the next generation while not fitting the requirements usually results in the death of those ill fitting genes.

 

 

 

lol, evidence you are talking about the bible?

 

 

 

because I have taken a geology class learning all the scientist rubbish.

 

do tell me why evolution makes sense.

 

and i know they haven't concluded evolution..there is no evidence at all that we came from fish or damn monkeys.

 

and im pretty damn sure the moon didn't come out of the pacific ocean...so therefore im guessing the earth is at about 8000 years old and not this outrageous number 4.6bill

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Reading that, the 2nd choice makes quite a lot more sense to me. How could he have made an endless universe in just 6 days? And why would he have created it 'specialy for us' anyways? The Earth is a lot more than 8000 years old, don't we have records of before that? Isn't the Chinese calendar already at like the year 10,000?

 

 

 

Why do you assume that all scientests, who are all smarter than you, are wrong simply because of a book written by men a few thousand years ago. Are you saying that the things that happened before 8,000 years ago were just made up? Or that they happened before there was anything?

 

 

 

Reading what you say makes you sound very ignorant.

[Jaziek]

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I have a general question for those evolution doubters out there; what would it take for you to be done with a literal account of genesis and rather see it as metaphorical? I'm sure if there was a god he'd be a top bloke and wouldn't punish you for following the rationality and critical thinking skills which help us conclude evolution and which he gave us.

 

 

 

Ok if i understand what your saying...

 

what is Easier to believe (only you can decide)

 

1. God created the earth and everything in 6 days

 

or the..

 

2. Big bang theory along with the Implosion to create earth Specialy for us..and you now believe the earth is 4.6 billion years old...and we were created from Monkeys and fish...

 

 

 

That's simple. One has evidence and one does not. One is a myth and one was concluded after looking at nature and gathering evidence. Do some proper research on the issue and you'll see what I mean.

 

 

 

I can give you a broad depiction of why evolution makes sense if you'd like but as for the others I'd advise you to ask a scientist.

 

 

 

Edit: The bold highlights a misunderstanding you made. Earth was not created specially for us. We evolved to suit it. The fact that everything is just so for life to even exist is to be expected. To elaborate on that, natural selection has killed off any individual that dosen't meet the requirements, so to speak, over the 3 billion or so years of evolution because fitting the requirements makes you more able to pass on your genes to the next generation while not fitting the requirements usually results in the death of those ill fitting genes.

 

 

 

lol, evidence you are talking about the bible?

 

 

 

because I have taken a geology class learning all the scientist rubbish.

 

do tell me why evolution makes sense.

 

and i know they haven't concluded evolution..there is no evidence at all that we came from fish or damn monkeys.

 

and im pretty damn sure the moon didn't come out of the pacific ocean...so therefore im guessing the earth is at about 8000 years old and not this outrageous number 4.6bill

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Reading that, the 2nd choice makes quite a lot more sense to me. How could he have made an endless universe in just 6 days? And why would he have created it 'specialy for us' anyways? The Earth is a lot more than 8000 years old, don't we have records of before that? Isn't the Chinese calendar already at like the year 10,000?

 

 

 

Why do you assume that all scientests, who are all smarter than you, are wrong simply because of a book written by men a few thousand years ago. Are you saying that the things that happened before 8,000 years ago were just made up? Or that they happened before there was anything?

 

 

 

Reading what you say makes you sound very ignorant.

 

 

 

I agree, but i'd just like to add that that bible wasnt written 2000 years ago. Our current version of the bible is much more recent.

[Striker6]

lol, evidence you are talking about the bible?

 

 

 

because I have taken a geology class learning all the scientist rubbish.

 

do tell me why evolution makes sense.

 

and i know they haven't concluded evolution..there is no evidence at all that we came from fish or damn monkeys.

 

and im pretty damn sure the moon didn't come out of the pacific ocean...so therefore im guessing the earth is at about 8000 years old and not this outrageous number 4.6bill

 

Wow.

 

 

 

You are... how old?

 

 

 

Seriously? 11ish? 10?

 

 

 

LOL thats hilarious.

[dutchdreams]

Can anyone explain this and this to me ? 'God works in mysterious ways' and 'they didn't pray enough' come to mind.

 

 

 

Back on topic sort of, in short why I am atheist:

 

 

 

- I don't believe in omniscient, omnipotent yet invisible friends.

 

- I will not base my belief in a divine being on a book written by men, revised by men and put together by men (Irenaeus) well over a millenium ago. Afterwards claiming it is the word of that divine being. What about the other dozen gospels that didn't make it into the bible?

 

- I was raised a catholic, but seeing the leader of his church going to Aids- infected Africa and tell his followers not to use condoms, I was convinced he couldn't be right.

 

- I do not believe in an afterlife. I am perfectly fine with the idea I will be dust in the wind after being cremated.

 

- I don't like other people telling me how to interpret texts, doctrines, or life as a whole. I *really* don't like people deciding what is good for me and what not based on belief instead of on emperical data.

 

- We have contemporary laws that keep most citizens in check, without the threat of a vengful being. Gods have outlived their usefulness in that area.

 

- Christian morality/doctrine goes against my personal opinion on important issues: abortion, euthanasia, pre-marital sex, same-sex marriage, homosexuality, contraception.

 

- There is too much controversy/turmoil in religious conflicts for me to be a supporting part of it.

 

- Science gives a solid explanation.

[warri0r45]

Well, lets pretend for a moment that God did not exist. It is 100% Truth and Fact. What would happen to the world?

 

 

 

Well since the Bible is thrown away, the whole "love unconditionally" is also thrown away. So I would expect alot more fighting, and alot less rational thinking for "peace".

 

 

 

Since everyone wants to go their own way, then no one goes anywhere. Teamwork is key but who would listen?

 

 

 

Then you would have those who only want you to listen and act on their side but will not giving a lending ear to yours.

 

 

 

Morality may it be good or bad (in my opinion good), would be thrown out, as who is teaching it? Certainly not the schools, as that would be unconstitutional.

 

 

 

What about all these children who grow up now, who do not have a religion in their life? Some are doing well, but most are doing terrible. All based on how they was raised.

 

 

 

Then after "enjoying".. your life .. you then proceed to die in fear, because you are not immortal.

 

 

 

However, if you was a christian, you would atleast die without fear, having hope of heaven.

 

 

 

 

 

I see a brighter world with christianity than without. And please do not mention the crusades against it.. that was so long ago, you won't see a army of christians lining up at your door, so please relate it to present times.

 

 

 

~Defender~

 

 

 

People like yourself are the reason I don't like religion. You are the product of the problem. You were actually brought up to believe that christianity is the only way to goodness and us heathens are all sad sacks with no morality unless we've found christ. To put it simply, you are wrong. I don't know whether to feel sad, disturbed or angry with you.

 

 

 

Don't let my "better safe than sorry" outlook confuse you. I have a very strong faith within my religion I'm just finding a way to explain it to the rational among us. Structure and intelligence isn't all great. I believe ignorance is bliss so I refuse to read scientific mumbo jumbo when I'm perfectly content. (Sum it up I LIKE being stupid) If you can explain atheism with some proof in one 10 word sentence please do so. And this is not an excuse it's perfectally logical and has a beautiful outcome. Just try it mates. Please? IT'S NOT COWARDICE I'm trying to give Atheists a reason to try it. What I believe you guys are saying is that you WANT to gamble with your life. Makes absolutely no sense to me but then again I guess religion makes no sense to you.

 

 

 

Why would you refuse to read scientific "mumbo jumbo" if for no other reason than you're worried it will disturb that happiness you have with your faith? If you actually have faith it wont. Either way if you want to hear about said scientific mumbo jumbo, I'll gladly give you a run down but 10 words will in no way suffice.

 

 

 

I have no qualms with people who follow Christ. It's just the tagline of defending ideas such as creationism, the flood, miracles, morality against homosexuality, etc, which make the people defending it look like they feel thier faith in Christ is somehow comprimised if these ideas are challanged.

 

 

 

I always figured miracles made possible by God's existence was an axiom :|

 

 

 

Of course. God can supposedly do anything. But there's no evidence for any of this, miracles included.

 

 

 

But you implied you have qualms with Christians that believe in miracles, but no qualms with Christians that don't believe in miracles. If someone is a Christian they are going to believe in God making belief in miracles a perfectly consistent view to have. If belief in miracles is ridiculous in your opinion, then belief in God must be equally ridiculous in your opinion making Christianity ridiculously in your opinion which begs the question do you really have no qualms with people that follow Christ?

 

 

 

I didn't directly express qualms with these things although I'd personally rather people think critically of all of it. What I was implying is that people who follow Christ seem to have this underlying fear or need or whatever you want to call it, which means that they somehow need to defend such myths. If they believe in this stuff as well as in the teachings of Christ I obviously can't stop them. Overall I have no qualms with the people who hold these views. I'd just rather that the society in which they were brought up and the beliefs they hold are vehemently questioned.

 

 

 

 

I have a general question for those evolution doubters out there; what would it take for you to be done with a literal account of genesis and rather see it as metaphorical? I'm sure if there was a god he'd be a top bloke and wouldn't punish you for following the rationality and critical thinking skills which help us conclude evolution and which he gave us.

 

 

 

Ok if i understand what your saying...

 

what is Easier to believe (only you can decide)

 

1. God created the earth and everything in 6 days

 

or the..

 

2. Big bang theory along with the Implosion to create earth Specialy for us..and you now believe the earth is 4.6 billion years old...and we were created from Monkeys and fish...

 

 

 

That's simple. One has evidence and one does not. One is a myth and one was concluded after looking at nature and gathering evidence. Do some proper research on the issue and you'll see what I mean.

 

 

 

I can give you a broad depiction of why evolution makes sense if you'd like but as for the others I'd advise you to ask a scientist.

 

 

 

Edit: The bold highlights a misunderstanding you made. Earth was not created specially for us. We evolved to suit it. The fact that everything is just so for life to even exist is to be expected. To elaborate on that, natural selection has killed off any individual that dosen't meet the requirements, so to speak, over the 3 billion or so years of evolution because fitting the requirements makes you more able to pass on your genes to the next generation while not fitting the requirements usually results in the death of those ill fitting genes.

 

 

 

lol, evidence you are talking about the bible?

 

 

 

because I have taken a geology class learning all the scientist rubbish.

 

do tell me why evolution makes sense.

 

and i know they haven't concluded evolution..there is no evidence at all that we came from fish or damn monkeys.

 

and im pretty damn sure the moon didn't come out of the pacific ocean...so therefore im guessing the earth is at about 8000 years old and not this outrageous number 4.6bill

 

 

 

You are either one of three things. Uninformed in the "scientist rubbish", ignorant of the "scientist rubbish" or a delusional bigot who is scared thier faith will be comprimised. You choose. And I'd really rather you not make science out to be rubbish. It's done so much more for you than you can ever need. It's made your life a luxury and all the trials in life of a trivial insignificance. I also find it cute how you're "guessing" the earth is 8000 years old. Let me rephrase that for you. You think you know that the earth is 8000 years old because of what the bible tells you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just for your sake I'll tell you how evolution works and then let you judge it, assuming you don't know much about it becuase of your parents trying thier darndest to keep it out of the house and attest to it's falsities.

 

 

 

There are organisms. Take a population, for example. When creating the cells that make babies, mutations occur which change the DNA. These mutations can effect the baby organism in one of three ways;

 

 

 

1) No harm whatsoever (i.e. still codes for the same protiens)

 

2) Harm and possibly death (e.g. it cuts out a crucial function)

 

3) Benefit to the organism (e.g. running faster, beter ability to metabolise, etc)

 

 

 

Now the process known as natural selection selects for these good mutations and selects against the bad. What this means is that the organisms which carry the good mutations are more suited to the environment in which they live and can then reproduce more because of this new found benefit. On the other hand, those with the harmful mutations unfortunately won't get much of a chance to and will die off.

 

 

 

This is evolution through the mechanism of natural selection. That this happens is fact. The theory of evolution explains and expands on this phenomenon.

 

 

 

Next, imagine part of this original population being split from the original ( :cry: ) by some geological barrier. For example, imagine that a bushfire scares off a part of the population around to the other side of a mountain range. Wait a minute, dosen't that mean the are in a new environment? Yes! As such, the requirements that natural selection will impose on this new population will be different. Therefore, the mutations that may have been of benefit before may no longer be beneficial and the harmful mutations before may even, on rare occasions, actually become useful! As a result different mutations will be selected for as these different mutations allow thier beholder to reproduce at a higher frequency and pass on thier genes.

 

 

 

As a result of this migration of part of the population, selection needs are changed and the secondary population actually begins looking different than the original populaton. In some cases, this happens untill a new species is formed! \ This is called speciation. This has been observed in nature and imposed in the laboratory. There is no barrier which prevents said phenomenon.

 

 

 

So now you know. :

 

 

 

Oh and as for this "outragous number, 4.6 bill" here's a start -

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiometric_dating

 

 

 

It's quite ignorant of you to argue such a conclusion is outragous when a multitude of known decay paths are used, each of which shows constant decay and can be used to measure geological time with a mathematical function and each of which corroborates to the others within a useful degree of accuracy. We know for a fact that the earth is not 8000 years old. If it is, god is clearly trying to fool us. A deceptive god?

[Korskin]

Can anyone explain this and this to me ? 'God works in mysterious ways' and 'they didn't pray enough' come to mind.

 

 

Explanation: Stupid people who wanted God to perform miracles when no one needed him to.

 

 

 

On topic, many atheists search for the truth, which most of us would agree is a good thing. But they seem to think that the only possible way to reveal the truth is through science. Science will not produce truth, science can change at any given moment. Your scientific knowledge may become completely useless. Why do I prefer reading the Bible instead of scientific books, articles etc? The Bible contains sufficient knowledge, answering meta-physical question such as meaning of life and how to live your life. Science is a framework, explaining some physical parts of the universe, perhaps useful today but not necessarily tomorrow.

[Google90]

God is atheist :wink:

[warri0r45]

Can anyone explain this and this to me ? 'God works in mysterious ways' and 'they didn't pray enough' come to mind.

 

 

Explanation: Stupid people who wanted God to perform miracles when no one needed him to.

 

 

 

On topic, many atheists search for the truth, which most of us would agree is a good thing. But they seem to think that the only possible way to reveal the truth is through science. Science will not produce truth, science can change at any given moment. Your scientific knowledge may become completely useless. Why do I prefer reading the Bible instead of scientific books, articles etc? The Bible contains sufficient knowledge, answering meta-physical question such as meaning of life and how to live your life. Science is a framework, explaining some physical parts of the universe, perhaps useful today but not necessarily tomorrow.

 

 

 

So you'd rather a divisive and community dependant absolute truth rather than an objective and accountable one. It looks like we still don't agree on the best way to find truth (if you can recall a discussion on a similar topic a while back now).

 

 

 

You can't escape that science is the most reliable and useful tool to uncover objective truth, varifiable by empirical evidence. The fluidity of the system is a plus and not a minus as you paint it out to be. You may want everything to be 100% true the moment we discover it but the accountablity in science is an admission that we can make mistakes. There are some things which are universal knowns in science, too. We call these laws and facts.

[I]

No solid proof of God?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Theres no proff of science either yet you belive it true.

[I]

Be careful. Athiesm is the belief there is no God. There's another term for people who won't believe he exists until there is proof. CAn't remember what it is though.

 

 

 

The main reason I'm an athiest is because I believe there's a scientific and logical explantion for everything that occurs in the world. Most "miracles" can be explained through simple science.

 

 

 

 

 

No proof of science

[Nadril]

Be careful. Athiesm is the belief there is no God. There's another term for people who won't believe he exists until there is proof. CAn't remember what it is though.

 

 

 

The main reason I'm an athiest is because I believe there's a scientific and logical explantion for everything that occurs in the world. Most "miracles" can be explained through simple science.

 

 

 

 

 

No proof of science

 

 

 

Are you stupid?

 

 

 

Seriously, the amount crap that spews out of some peoples mouths these days... :uhh:

[I]

Be careful. Athiesm is the belief there is no God. There's another term for people who won't believe he exists until there is proof. CAn't remember what it is though.

 

 

 

The main reason I'm an athiest is because I believe there's a scientific and logical explantion for everything that occurs in the world. Most "miracles" can be explained through simple science.

 

 

 

 

 

Explain to me how a man can die. His heart not beat for 88 mineuts.They try to resesitate hm for 5 minuets. Then he start breathing again.

 

 

 

Explain that.

[Tbfgraphx14]

I never understood why you need proof because the definition of faith is "The belief of something in which there is no proof"