High level updates

[flash]

over the last month jagex has finally answered the requests of higher levels and given them what they want. The only problem with this is that jagex has decided to pump out high level armour (i.e. dark bow,visage,d arrows, and soon d full) instead of high level quests. So do you believe that jagex is just trying to fool high levels with a bunch of fancy armours rather than adding some real content, or is this just jagex catering to an easily amused younger audience.

[Itsjustagame]

uh, I think they're looking at the suggestion board.

 

 

 

/end.

[flash]

exactly so they are catering to the kids who want more objects with cool stats rather than actualy in depth content. which further shows the way jagex has taken to approaching updates.

[Agunimon979]

Meh, don't big about it, soon this good high level updates streak will be over and there probably won't be more high leveled updates for a year. Maybe :?

[Itsjustagame]

exactly so they are catering to the kids who want more objects with cool stats rather than actualy in depth content. which further shows the way jagex has taken to approaching updates.

 

 

 

we don't need anymore content.

 

This is enough.

[flash]

they could have taken these updates and spread them out over a couple months, but instead threw them out all together. The problem with this is they are going to have to continue with this or else people are going to get mad at the lack of these super items.

[PastyGangsta]

The high level items dont effect me because I cant afford them (without selling my santa, which will never happen...) Id like a higher lvl quest, or at least some mid-lvl ones id enjoy, like Dragon Slayer...That was the greatest quest ever

[A8800123]

exactly so they are catering to the kids who want more objects with cool stats rather than actualy in depth content. which further shows the way jagex has taken to approaching updates.

 

 

 

 

 

Once in a blue moon , we get some decent high lvl update and we still get ppl whinning.

 

 

 

You probably cant afford the thing so thats why you are whinning.

[flash]

o i can afford them.... all of them to be honest, but that is not the point. I like a good item every now and then, but this is a total overload and will result in a backlash later on.

[Revenga]

How is armour and weapons not a real update?

 

 

 

 

 

Is this not a game based primarily off the aspects of combat?

[Nathan_Fabio]

Revenga, they're just sayign that they'd rather somenhing that further exposes the history/culture/story line in rs like a quest about somenhtign meaningful, even if it doesn't have a fancy weapon as a reward at the end. And right now, all they are adding is fancy weapons, not somenhitng meanigful to the story of rs. so yes its 'real' content, but not menaingful content.

 

 

 

My persoanl views is that no amtter what, jagex is gonna get peopel whining to them, so just let it be. They'll pump out soem good stuff eventually, for the tiem being, they're caterign the people who want fancy stuff... your time will come

[flash]

there are many people who play the game for many things besides combat. My point is however that the constant release of HIGH LEVEL items will raise the expectations of the players to high and will just set them up for disapointment when they run out of items to put out.

[Happysniff]

Flash, not everyone will like quests as much as you, so stop making generalisations.

[flash]

i don't even like quests hence my 110 quest points. You guys are missing the point jagex is putting thereselves in a situation that they will not be able to overcome by constantly putting out high level updates. You can already see it now that the full helm is coming everyone expects pl8 and kite. Jagex will have to keep producing more and more high level armours untill it gets to the point where dragon is common. it is like an inflation of armour.

[Happysniff]

i don't even like quests hence my 110 quest points. You guys are missing the point jagex is putting thereselves in a situation that they will not be able to overcome by constantly putting out high level updates. You can already see it now that the full helm is coming everyone expects pl8 and kite. Jagex will have to keep producing more and more high level armours untill it gets to the point where dragon is common. it is like an inflation of armour.

 

 

 

Dragon already is common, hence why they are releasing the d full helm. Though I see your point. Grim Tales, Dream Mentor and Contact however, IMO are high level quests.

[salim123]

catering to a younger audiance

[Lime_Mercury]

oh go play on some mother[bleep]ing train tracks

 

 

 

You make me sick with your cats and your camulets and your mudskipper outfits who get a bright shiny new quest each week that doesn't add anything but fluff to your bank and you cry about how you need more and more bankspace for your elegant trousers (g) © (m) (+) (++) (*) (z) and then cry more when Jagex releases an update that makes the lives of high level combatants more exciting and fun.

 

 

 

In depth content? Even ME2 was nothing but another chapter in a storyline that keeps the RS world small and restricted because there's not a variety of Eastern and Western lands that you can freely explore without some magical amulet or robes or doing some "run here get this run here make that" quest.

 

 

 

You know so many people hated the OSF quest, but in all honestly I loved it because they were making fun of precisely what they always do, namely make YOU do little things over and over to see some revelation that you saw coming a mile away!

 

 

 

So go back to your minigames and your HAM skirts and Frog Heads and your dance trains and remember where the real game content lies- in the very thing they built the engine for.

[Happysniff]

oh go play on some [bleep] train tracks

 

 

 

You make me sick with your cats and your camulets and your mudskipper outfits who get a bright shiny new quest each week that doesn't add anything but fluff to your bank and you cry about how you need more and more bankspace for your elegant trousers (g) © (m) (+) (++) (*) (z) and then cry more when Jagex releases an update that makes the lives of high level combatants more exciting and fun.

 

 

 

In depth content? Even ME2 was nothing but another chapter in a storyline that keeps the RS world small and restricted because there's not a variety of Eastern and Western lands that you can freely explore without some magical amulet or robes or doing some "run here get this run here make that" quest.

 

 

 

You know so many people hated the OSF quest, but in all honestly I loved it because they were making fun of precisely what they always do, namely make YOU do little things over and over to see some revelation that you saw coming a mile away!

 

 

 

So go back to your minigames and your HAM skirts and Frog Heads and your dance trains and remember where the real game content lies- in the very thing they built the engine for.

 

 

 

Trust me, someone's not nutting :boohoo: Have a cry

[RabidChipmunk]

I'm pretty sure King's Ransom is going to be a Experienced quest, that's almost a high-levelled quest.

[Lime_Mercury]

 

Trust me, someone's not nutting :boohoo: Have a cry

 

 

 

Or defend your viewpoint, which might take a while, as I'm sure you missed two games of RuneLink and a round of Trouble Brewing just to think of that gem. :roll:

[Happysniff]

 

Trust me, someone's not nutting :boohoo: Have a cry

 

 

 

Or defend your viewpoint, which might take a while, as I'm sure you missed two games of RuneLink and a round of Trouble Brewing just to think of that gem. :roll:

 

 

 

Yet another vague generalisation from the king of elitist =D>

 

 

 

Never played a game of runelink or trouble brewing btw :thumbsup:

[Lime_Mercury]

Yet another vague generalisation from the king of elitist =D>

 

 

 

Never played a game of runelink or trouble brewing btw :thumbsup:

 

 

 

Heavy is the head that wears that crown.

 

 

 

Okay, so back to defending your viewpoint? It's always good business practice to reward your most loyal customers. A long time ago, jagex got most new runescapers through word of mouth, which relied on pleasing the current players. When the game was small, there was less disparity between the high and low level players, the game was still incomplete, and getting the game out there needed the effort of all the players.

 

 

 

That's not so much true anymore. How do you expect a level 120 to feel when Jagex spends 3 weeks developing a quest, say such as The Lost Tribe which opens a mining area that's of no use, weapons that they only use to finish a clue scroll, robes they'll never wear again, and a mining helmet that doesn't to diddly nor squat...

 

 

 

It's difficult not to feel betrayed, and most players of that calibur (and I only half include myself in this statement) paitently wait for those updates that benefit and add life to their game and avoid making too big a ruckus over it.

 

 

 

But when the players that the plurality of updates are aimed squarely at start to complain that we shouldn't get updates, you can fully expect them to get a little rattled over it.

 

 

 

Edit: I seem to be veering away from the original poster's main point - that its high level weapons and armor and not quests.

 

 

 

What makes a quest high level? Well, one of three things- difficult monsters to fight, difficult skill requirments, or difficult puzzles- a combination of the three is in order for a good quest as well.

 

 

 

But let's think of those things in more realistic terms. The difficult monsters are either going to land squarely on how long you can last without prayer or luck on the damage that you do, or whether you can get a team together to do it.

 

 

 

A bit of a challenge maybe.

 

 

 

Difficult requirements in other skills- so you grind and level up those skills, no big deal, it's not much of a high level quest.

 

 

 

Difficult puzzles? Even the parts of the Eyes of Glouphrie that were different for each player were simple to write a guide for. You'd have to be extremely deficient not to quickly figure out how to do things.

 

 

 

And about the reward, what should that be? A big xp bonus or an easy way to train a skill? A one time thing, most likely, used once and not again.

 

 

 

Which leaves unique and special items, armors, rare things. Wow, we just get fooled bigtime. :roll:

 

 

 

I really think the other guy was right. You're only upset because you can't afford to have those things.

[Happysniff]

Please show me examples of lower levels complaining about high levels getting an update.

 

 

 

Jagex is a business, and as any business is made for, Jagex aim to make money, they don't sell products, or do services, they run a game. They do not play the game in the same way we do. So they don't feel obliged to update for higher levels. They are all level 126, yet they don't feel the need to update the game with high level updates unless an abundance of annoying high levels start whining to them.

 

 

 

The point is, they don't play it religously like us, and I use religously lightly. Its big business, and like any other business they want to appeal to the majority, which in this case are the low-mid level players, thus we have an endless cycle of seemingly 'noobish' updates which the high levels always seem to complain about. These lower levels tend not to play as much as the hgiher levels. They may no life it a bit, but they mainly play for fun. Higher or more experienced players seem to set themselves goals and play for endless hours to achieve it. Now, I quote toxicologist from a topic I made awhile back:

 

 

 

Have you guys ever considered that JAGeX is one MMORPG company that actually gives weekly updates? Other games might have updates half-annually, or even monthly, but very few dishes out updates at the speed JAGeX does. If, [mustnotnamenames], by your logic, that the only way to keep high leveled players happy is to keep dishing out new high level stuff for you to enjoy, than about 90% of MMORPGs have failed. Utterly.

 

 

 

Why can't high leveled players enjoy low level stuff? Who said so? If you want to enjoy it, you could, but you choose not to. It is your own choice. Are you sure what you want is new high level stuff to keep you interested? In my opinion, all you guys want is stuff to empower your character even more (which you basically admitted). I'm not saying that is wrong: it is perfectly understandable. But you are forgetting the point of a GAME: to have fun! And it does not take a new weapon to replace the Anchor to have fun, peoples. You could have fun whenever you want, wherever you want, and for me, anything that's new, high or low level, always perks my interest, and gives me a new method of having fun.

 

 

 

The point is, you guys are not playing the game for fun. Sure, you could say "If we get more high level stuff and challenge and empower our characters, that would be fun", but the fun in that context is merely a by-product of being challenged and having your character empowered. You are restricting yourselves what fun could be.

 

 

 

Now back to our argument....

 

 

 

Your perception of the topics point is very [developmentally delayed]ed indeed. The point is, Jagex released an abundance of high level updates last month, but so quickly. So then people will have bigger expectations, thus more rants, if Jagex don't meet these expectations. And so I leave you with this question Mercury: What would YOU consider a high level update?

 

 

 

Btw, I'm not the one who is 'whining' and I didn't even make the topic, so stop aiming that 'you can't afford it so you whine' bullcrap on me

[Lime_Mercury]

Please show me examples of lower levels complaining about high levels getting an update.

 

 

 

Just is a business, and as any business is made for, Jagex aim to make money, they don't sell products, or do services, they run a game. They do not play the game in the same way we do. So they don't feel obliged to update for higher levels. They are all level 126, yet they don't feel the need to update the game with high level updates unless an abundance of annoying high levels start whining to them.

 

 

 

The point is, they don't play it religously like us, and I use religously lightly. Its big business, and like any other business they want to appeal to the majority, which in this case are the low-mid level players, thus we have an endless cycle of seemingly 'noobish' updates which the high levels always seem to complain about. These lower levels tend not to play as much as the hgiher levels. They may no life it a bit, but they mainly play for fun. Higher or more experienced players seem to set themselves goals and play for endless hours to achieve it. Now, I quote toxicologist from a topic I made awhile back:

 

 

 

Have you guys ever considered that JAGeX is one MMORPG company that actually gives weekly updates? Other games might have updates half-annually, or even monthly, but very few dishes out updates at the speed JAGeX does. If, 123yourgone, by your logic, that the only way to keep high leveled players happy is to keep dishing out new high level stuff for you to enjoy, than about 90% of MMORPGs have failed. Utterly.

 

 

 

Why can't high leveled players enjoy low level stuff? Who said so? If you want to enjoy it, you could, but you choose not to. It is your own choice. Are you sure what you want is new high level stuff to keep you interested? In my opinion, all you guys want is stuff to empower your character even more (which you basically admitted). I'm not saying that is wrong: it is perfectly understandable. But you are forgetting the point of a GAME: to have fun! And it does not take a new weapon to replace the Anchor to have fun, peoples. You could have fun whenever you want, wherever you want, and for me, anything that's new, high or low level, always perks my interest, and gives me a new method of having fun.

 

 

 

The point is, you guys are not playing the game for fun. Sure, you could say "If we get more high level stuff and challenge and empower our characters, that would be fun", but the fun in that context is merely a by-product of being challenged and having your character empowered. You are restricting yourselves what fun could be.

 

 

 

Your perception of the topics point is very [developmentally delayed] indeed. The point is, Jagex released an abundance of high level updates last month, but so quickly. So then people will have bigger expectations, thus more rants, if Jagex don't meet these expectations.

 

 

 

I think Toxicologist makes some good points, but overall, he leaves out a number of important factors. First of all:

 

 

 

1. In comparing the number of updates RS gets to other MMOs, he fails to mention how vast they are compared to RS, in EQ you are either a mage or you aren't. In RS, you must do everything all the time to be an effective character in the grand scheme of the game. This gives an enormous amout of play to a game that gets limited updates.

 

 

 

2. With the first point in mind, the "doing everything all the time", a large portion of the high leveler's life mathematically has to be grinding, as an advance in any area of the game is going to cost a lot of the players resources, whether they be time or ingame earnings. The same cannot be said for a low to mid-leveled player, who earn many advances in a short period of time. And that's okay, as long as the players are truly rewarded for those efforts, which I don't really believe they are.

 

 

 

3. There is not much that gives a player a decided advantage over other players, since the entire world is not PvP, and since you can see other people's levels quite clearly, there is not much benefit that a lvl 120 can get over a level 90, though the difference is close to 4x the experience.

 

 

 

4. With protection prayers in mind, they stand on pretty even ground, except maybe the 120 does a little more damage. [cabbage], we have lvl 60s with fire capes? What a joke!

 

 

 

That's the point of high level armor. It's one of the few things that high levelers can actually earn through their levels.

 

 

 

Just because we're not the cash cows with mommys credit cards means we should generally be overlooked.

 

 

 

And to answer your question- what do i think a high level update should be? I wouldn't mind a handful (and by handful I mean that- 5 or so) devastating pvp weapons, ones that had an effect similar to or more powerful than ice barrage that negated all the effects of wilderness level limits, clan support wouldn't be far behind, would it?

 

 

 

Levels and items for people that have over the required xp for 99 in a skill.

 

 

 

The ability to personalize things, the ability to create spells and teleports to their own effect.

 

 

 

Blood rune and soul rune crafting. Those are updates for high levelers.

[snowager286]

Honestly do you actually think jagex loses sleep over your rants? I think they don't really care about jerks screaming and complaining over the fact that they aren't reciving undivided attention. Besides why do the low lvls deserve any sort of updates? after all you high lvls are the only people who matter. :roll: