Title pretty much says it all, after 99 hunter im going to buy enough fire bolts alittle over 50,000 it says to get me 85 mage. So my question is where would you guys cast the spell. Please dont say sell the runes and high alchy or anything like that. I was thinking metal dragons, I dont really want to do barrows cause that would take a while. So where is a good place?

just do metal dragons. A trip to the barrows usually takes 15-20 minutes and you get about 3k per trip, so metal drags are the best for money and xp.

I would definately say metal dragons.

don't they have good mage protection? if they don't then my b

i see loads of people mage them im not sure, i have range them though. Anyone else?

don't they have good mage protection? if they don't then my b

 

no, they have low mage def and high range and melee def.

k awesome thanks alot guys, just got 10k more chinchompas to catch till i can start working on 85 mage.

metal dragons DO have fairly high mage def, but the reason people mage them is because they don't walk towards you and until recently there were no good 1 handed range weapons. The best fire bolting spot is most likely the lvl 142 giant rock crabs. Their weakness is range and they drop rock shell parts, so its a good moneymaker. They also have very high hp.

Metal dragons having low magic defense would make sense, but I have no experience in the area and am completely useless in this discussion.

i seen someone powermaging on a lvl 2 man with full rune and obby shield on so he didnt hit the man with the spell...i think he may have been using fire strike though.anyways he was there for a good few hours on the same man and neither were hitting eachother so i fu arent intresed in making some of the cash back is say thats a way to go

How come I always hit a string of zeros on metal drags if they have low magic defense?

 

 

 

They don't seem the best target for magic experience in itself, although they sure have some decent drops.

i seen someone powermaging on a lvl 2 man with full rune and obby shield on so he didnt hit the man with the spell...i think he may have been using fire strike though.anyways he was there for a good few hours on the same man and neither were hitting eachother so i fu arent intresed in making some of the cash back is say thats a way to go

 

 

 

NO NO NO, that man is completely unwise to do this (unless he wanna afk) because you gain mage exp by damage you inflict

 

 

 

If your spell splishes every time, you only get 12 exp (base exp for fire strike)

 

 

 

If your spell inflicted 8 damage, you get 44 exp (12+8x4)

 

 

 

See the difference, and see why I say this act quite a waste of runes. This method only works for cursing spells (e.g. confuse, curse, stun, etc) as they guarantee high (relatively) exp, even every spell the caster casts splashes

 

 

 

I've just cursed zammy monk a thousand time. Quite a hard work, but my mage lvl rose from 49 to 52 :D

 

If your spell inflicted 8 damage, you get 44 exp (12+8x4)

 

 

 

Wrong...

 

If your spell inflicted 8 damage, you get 28 exp (12+8x2). :wink:

Title pretty much says it all, ... im going to buy enough fire bolts a little over 50,000 it says to get me 85 mage.

 

Without Chaos gauntlets,

 

Fire Bolt averages about 34 per cast but Crumble undead averages about 39 per cast.

 

 

 

So, 50000 Fire Bolts could get you from magic level 77.5 to 85

 

but 50000 Crumble Undeads could yet you from magic level 77.5 to 85.76

 

That's an extra 250000 in exp.

 

 

 

Or, 50000 Fire Bolts will give you the same exp as about 43600 Crumble Undeads.

 

So, you could save about 13% on the cost by using CU instead of FB.

 

 

 

Finally, IIRC, you can autocast CU with the slayer staff or with the void knight mace.

 

 

 

Hope this helps

 

If your spell inflicted 8 damage, you get 44 exp (12+8x4)

 

Wrong...

 

If your spell inflicted 8 damage, you get 28 exp (12+8x2). :wink:

 

For Fire Strike, I use the formula

 

MagicExp = 11.5 + 2*HitDone

 

with a max possible hit of 8 that gives 27.5, which pretty much agrees with your number.

 

 

 

Hope this helps

 

If your spell inflicted 8 damage, you get 44 exp (12+8x4)

 

Wrong...

 

If your spell inflicted 8 damage, you get 28 exp (12+8x2). :wink:

 

For Fire Strike, I use the formula

 

MagicExp = 11.5 + 2*HitDone

 

with a max possible hit of 8 that gives 27.5, which pretty much agrees with your number.

 

 

 

Hope this helps

 

 

 

Hehe, I didn't actually check if the base exp of 12 was correct so I just used his number. :-w

 

If your spell inflicted 8 damage, you get 44 exp (12+8x4)

 

Wrong...

 

If your spell inflicted 8 damage, you get 28 exp (12+8x2). :wink:

 

For Fire Strike, I use the formula

 

MagicExp = 11.5 + 2*HitDone

 

with a max possible hit of 8 that gives 27.5, which pretty much agrees with your number.

 

 

 

Hope this helps

 

 

 

Hehe, I didn't actually check if the base exp of 12 was correct so I just used his number. :-w

 

Actually, 43.5xp is correct. You get you get 11.5 + 4*Damage done, not times 2.

Experience points

 

 

 

Each spell will earn you a certain number of experience points towards your magic skill when cast. These are in the table above. However, with Strikes, Bolts, Blasts and Waves it isn't as simple as that, because you can also inflict damage. There is a base amount of xp you will always receive when you cast the spell, even if you fail it and see a splash, and this is the value quoted in the table above. But you also receive extra magic xp and Hits xp depending on how much damage you inflict. For those spells that give xp over the base you will see a "+" beside the xp value.

 

 

 

For these spells, there is also a maximum on how much damage you can inflict - and this number is on the last column of the above table. However, please note that after the completion of Family Crest quest, members can wear chaos gauntlets that increase the damage of bolt spells (those using chaos runes).

 

 

 

* For every damage point you hit your opponent, you receive 2 magic xp.

 

* You also receive 1.33 Hits xp for every damage point you inflict.

 

 

 

Note: When using a staff to autocast, if you put your attack style to defensive, you get 1 point xp in magic and 1 point xp in defense for every damage point you inflict.

... You get you get 11.5 + 4*Damage done, not times 2.

 

Hmm, I'm pretty sure it's 2 times the damage done.

 

 

 

Melee and Range is 4 times the damage done

 

but magic spells have a "base" exp always given plus a variable amount

 

so that, roughly, Melee, Range, and Magic exp is earned at a comparable rate.

 

 

 

Any player can do a casting experiment to easily verify the 2 or 4 value though.

 

 

 

Hope this helps

Title pretty much says it all, ... im going to buy enough fire bolts a little over 50,000 it says to get me 85 mage.

 

Without Chaos gauntlets,

 

Fire Bolt averages about 34 per cast but Crumble undead averages about 39 per cast.

 

 

 

So, 50000 Fire Bolts could get you from magic level 77.5 to 85

 

but 50000 Crumble Undeads could yet you from magic level 77.5 to 85.76

 

That's an extra 250000 in exp.

 

 

 

Or, 50000 Fire Bolts will give you the same exp as about 43600 Crumble Undeads.

 

So, you could save about 13% on the cost by using CU instead of FB.

 

 

 

Finally, IIRC, you can autocast CU with the slayer staff or with the void knight mace.

 

 

 

Hope this helps

This is true, but there are no good undead foes worth doing this on, as they all have low hp or can attack you up close. In addition, when you factor in drops on monsters that you can fire bolt, crumble undead isn't really worth it.

This is true, but there are no good undead foes worth doing this on,

 

That depends on what you consider "worth" to mean.

 

The original poster expressed an interest only in Magic exp leveling

 

and not in drops or other aspects. So my version of "worth"

 

is based on maximizing the efficiency of his casting.

 

 

 

...as they all have low hp

 

Well you earn Magic exp as BaseExp + 2*HitDone

 

so a lower HP monster would only influence the last killing spell.

 

That is, if the monster has only 2 HP left then a spell that would have

 

hit it with a 10 would have "wasted" 8 potential HP damage.

 

So, in that sense, casting on a lower HP monster results in a slightly lower average exp.

 

However, in my experience, the average exp increase of 5 per cast more than makes up for it.

 

 

 

...or can attack you up close.

 

There are plenty of places where you can cast in 100% safety.

 

The key room in the Varrock sewers and the top of Crandor island

 

come to mind but I'm sure there are many more places.

 

 

 

...In addition, when you factor in drops on monsters that you can fire bolt, crumble undead isn't really worth it.

 

Well, the original poster never expressed any preference on monster drops.

 

Some of the increased money that he would get would be "eaten" by

 

the 13% higher cost of Bolt compared to CU.

 

So the OP might consider CU to be worth it because of the lower cost

 

and widespread availability of safe monsters.

 

 

 

Ultimately, it's up to the OP to decide what strategy to follow.

 

The best that we, the forum posters, can do is to offer him fact based alternatives.

 

 

 

Hope this helps

Well i suggest metal dragons for sure.

 

and its really 2 xp per damage.

 

 

 

Anyways wear:

 

god cape

 

Full Mystic/Ahrim - glove and hat

 

Chaos guanlets from family crest quest

 

air staff( fire runes are much cheaper)

 

Anti shield

 

Seers helm

 

glory

 

Wealth(i got a dlegs without it -_-)

 

 

 

That should get you 80+ mage bonus or ~90 with Ahrims

 

then its an average of 45 casts per steel dragons

hehe, i'd use it on ducks for fun. I'd use it in PC since you can get points to put into mage as well so that gives you an extra little boost.

 

 

 

 

 

Heh, some level 126 was in fishing guild ancienting ducks, whats sad is that he splashed some and did 0's....

The reason people fire bolt dragons is because the exp is decent (30k/hour), you can semi-afk, and the drops usually exceed the cost of runes and antifire pots. If you choose to mage them, I suggest you wear ahrims because you will splash a lot. In theory, with average luck, this should give you free exp, which sure beats high alching (at 100gp+ loss per cast) and the constant clicking at PC.

 

 

 

I myself bought 30k fire bolts today, and will be buying another 80-100k to complete my goal of 94 mage (on steel drags).

 

 

 

Good luck :