mcneilp Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 Tonight (thursday) there was a programme on channel 4 in the UK following Two teeneage girls,who write and play nationalist music, and their family who have white nationalist views. Nationalism has the same basic concepts as nazism, white supremacy etc. I just wondered if anyone else watched this program or what your views on nationalism/white power is? What was really disturbing in the program was the families cattle ranch, where they branded their cattle with a swastika symbol. Just to see the cow with the nazi symbol scarred into its behind made me realise how extreme their views are...and also the fact that the youngest daughter, who was 3 years old, was called Dresden, after the german town which was heavily firebombed in WW2. Whats your view on their extreme views? It isn't in the castle, It isn't in the mist, It's a calling of the waters, As they break to show, The new Black Death, With reactors aglow, Do you think your security, Can keep you in purity, You will not shake us off above or belowScottish frictionScottish fiction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenin64 Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 I was pretty sure nationalism was just pride in one's country, basically patriotism for foreigners. But hey, this is America, they have the right to think what they want. I'm not saying I agree with their views. But I don;t think they are wrong to think it either. w007 first post! Command the Murderous Chalices! Drink ye harpooners! drink and swear, ye men that man the deathful whaleboat's bow- Death to Moby Dick!BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_1134 Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 Wow.. the cow thing is pretty harsh. :shock: My dad believes in communism, but I don't understand any of it so meh :mrgreen: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hohto Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 No more disgusting than parents who grow their children to sing about their religion or other political system, like communism for example. I'd rather die for what I believe in than live for anything else.Name Removed by Administrator ~Turtlefemm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenin64 Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 is your dad a real Communist, or a Stalinist, which is what Americans think Communism is, but is the opposite of what it really is? Just curious.... Command the Murderous Chalices! Drink ye harpooners! drink and swear, ye men that man the deathful whaleboat's bow- Death to Moby Dick!BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_1134 Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 No more disgusting than parents who grow their children to sing about their religion or other political system, like communism for example. Was that directed at me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcneilp Posted July 19, 2007 Author Share Posted July 19, 2007 Wow.. the cow thing is pretty harsh. :shock: My dad believes in communism, but I don't understand any of it so meh :mrgreen: yeah...i expect channel 4 to get phone calls from those free the animal acivists etc for showing footage of acow getting branded with a swastika...pretty disturbing if you ask me... It isn't in the castle, It isn't in the mist, It's a calling of the waters, As they break to show, The new Black Death, With reactors aglow, Do you think your security, Can keep you in purity, You will not shake us off above or belowScottish frictionScottish fiction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_1134 Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 is your dad a real Communist, or a Stalinist, which is what Americans think Communism is, but is the opposite of what it really is? Just curious.... I don't really know sorry. I don't understand most of politics anyway :P But yeah he speaks/reads/writes Russian, and shows great interest in the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hohto Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 Was that directed at me? No, just in general. I'd rather die for what I believe in than live for anything else.Name Removed by Administrator ~Turtlefemm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_1134 Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 Was that directed at me? No, just in general. Okay. : And yeah, greenpeace and whatever they're called will be wanting the footage. Sorry for so many posts and spamming your thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcneilp Posted July 19, 2007 Author Share Posted July 19, 2007 hehe, ah its better than no posts... It isn't in the castle, It isn't in the mist, It's a calling of the waters, As they break to show, The new Black Death, With reactors aglow, Do you think your security, Can keep you in purity, You will not shake us off above or belowScottish frictionScottish fiction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigra00 Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 I was pretty sure nationalism was just pride in one's country, basically patriotism for foreigners. But hey, this is America, they have the right to think what they want. I'm not saying I agree with their views. But I don;t think they are wrong to think it either. w007 first post! It's that, but only a very small part. They are ALL (no exceptions here, trust me) hypocrites and just plainly uncapable of rational thought in general. Their views are so heavily inlaid that they ignore everything else and make obvious contradictions. Go look at Stormfront.org once. You'll see what I mean. They're all stupid as hell. They claim to be "educated" and "act" like they are, but at best, they're pseudo-intellectuals. Most of them are just plain old stupid and THINK they're smart, though. There is a "movement" on there currently to buy an old school building and renovate it and make a White Nationalist school...Yea, good idea, idiots. Never going to happen. They're also obsessed with homeschooling their children and having as many children as they can so that they can "preserve the white race", all while chanting their battle-cries about how they'll fight and never give up against who they call "muds" (other races, particularily blacks, mexicans and mixed-races especially), all while complaining about how they had to move out of an area because of all the other races around them. Trust me, I can see where they stand on some points, but 99% of it is TOTALLY and not really comprehendable....by anyone...I've had my "run-ins" with other races that make me not trust everyone of a particular race, but I always give people a chance. There is a HUGE difference between and black thug and a black guy in a business suit - they, however, see no difference, they just see a black man, the "downfall of society" to them. Just 2 days ago I waved to a black guy and he literally spit at my feet. He's lucky he had friends with him, or he would have gotten treated by me just how the White Nationalists would treat them. I'm sorry, I'm not racist, but you don't spit at someones feet. If you ask me, black people are even more racist than whites. Black people as a whole pretty much despise whites. Get any black dude mad enough, and he'll start throwing racial slurs in a second. A white person would be slower to do so. I have personal experience with this aswell...In school I got in a fight with a black guy and he was all "Cracker this and cracker that", but I never once used ye ole' N-word. There is nothing wrong with being proud of your race, and the White race is arguabley the most successful race in history, but seriously...They just straight-up hate otehr races and try to justify it. My biggest "LOLZ!!11" moment reading the forums was when they were all talking about Jews and Arabs hating eachother, and they were all fighting about weither or not they should like Arabs because the Arabs hate Jews so much. :lol: I believe they came to the conclusion that while Arabs were "fighting the good fight" with them, they were dirty people that they hated aswell. :lol: It's just TOO funny. Anyways...I'll quote my friend here on this one, it's probably the wisest racial quote you'll hear in a while... "There is a difference between a black person and a (N-word), and (N-word)s aren't exclusive to black people. I know many white ones." That's probably the most important thing you could remember. I think that phrase alone, if people would remember to think that way, would give racism a run for its money. Basically, it means not all black people are bad - and they're not. And also, that a white person can also be called that word. The N-word is a state of mind, not a color. A black dude in a business suit walking to work? Hello, my friend! A black dude stealing my subs out of my car? Well, you know what to call him. Same for a white dude. And I don't think it's racist in the slightest to call someone who acts that way that word. It was invented to degrade, and those types of people deserve to be degraded. The popularity of any given religion today depends on the victories of the wars they fought in the past. - Me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zonorhc Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Prussian Blue has been around for a while. It's not news. Their views might not be wholly socially acceptable, but what gives other people the right to tell them what they can and can't believe? That's hypocrisy on the highest level. Varrock Library: Shattered Sky | Silent Thunder | The Emperor's FinestAstri @ MythWeavers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XdomX Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Prussian Blue has been around for a while. It's not news. Their views might not be wholly socially acceptable, but what gives other people the right to tell them what they can and can't believe? That's hypocrisy on the highest level. Hitler's views weren't socially acceptable either, but I guess that turned out alright? All he did was kill over 6 million innocent people. Marshall Applewhite's and Bonnie Nettles' views weren't socially acceptable either, but how many people did they brainwash into killing themselves? Stud112 (UNBANNED)99 atk, 92 def, 99 str, 97 hp, 118 combat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zonorhc Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Hitler's views weren't socially acceptable either, but I guess that turned out alright? All he did was kill over 6 million innocent people. Marshall Applewhite's and Bonnie Nettles' views weren't socially acceptable either, but how many people did they brainwash into killing themselves? Did I say that I believe their views to be correct? No, you're putting up a straw man. There's no reason for today's society to persecute them for their views while at the same time, not persecuting others for theirs. That would be an exercise in politically correct hypocrisy, which, I must admit, is rampant in most first-world countries. Varrock Library: Shattered Sky | Silent Thunder | The Emperor's FinestAstri @ MythWeavers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XdomX Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 There's a reason I included another example besides Hitler. Radical racism and such of that sort is dangerous. Innocent people die because of it. And personally I don't think that standing on the sidelines is the right thing to do, do you? Stud112 (UNBANNED)99 atk, 92 def, 99 str, 97 hp, 118 combat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zonorhc Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 So, basically, you're making the assumption that it will get out of hand simply because they have extreme views? Holy hell, people, let's clap some of my Muslim friends in irons, 'cos they have some extreme views, too. Nevermind that another one of my friends is an extreme Zionist Jew. God forbid that they should ever have views that are beyond moderate, because it might get out of hand. Varrock Library: Shattered Sky | Silent Thunder | The Emperor's FinestAstri @ MythWeavers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XdomX Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 So, basically, you're making the assumption that it will get out of hand simply because they have extreme views? Holy hell, people, let's clap some of my Muslim friends in irons, 'cos they have some extreme views, too. Nevermind that another one of my friends is an extreme Zionist Jew. God forbid that they should ever have views that are beyond moderate, because it might get out of hand. Now your picking at things just to make yourself feel better. Actions should be taken if things get out of hand. And the last time I checked a Zionist Jew didn't believe in destroying another race of people, they just want their homeland back, which I think is a reasonable request. Stud112 (UNBANNED)99 atk, 92 def, 99 str, 97 hp, 118 combat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zonorhc Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Now your picking at things just to make yourself feel better. Actions should be taken if things get out of hand. And the last time I checked a Zionist Jew didn't believe in destroying another race of people, they just want their homeland back, which I think is a reasonable request. And neither does Prussian Blue, what's your point? In earlier articles, they themselves said that all they want is to express how proud they are of their heritage. They're not out advocating genocide. This is on the level of black rappers wanting to express their heritage using their own distasteful themes and views. But of course you can't say anything remotely negative against that, because that'd be racist, right? Varrock Library: Shattered Sky | Silent Thunder | The Emperor's FinestAstri @ MythWeavers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XdomX Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Now your picking at things just to make yourself feel better. Actions should be taken if things get out of hand. And the last time I checked a Zionist Jew didn't believe in destroying another race of people, they just want their homeland back, which I think is a reasonable request. And neither does Prussian Blue, what's your point? In earlier articles, they themselves said that all they want is to express how proud they are of their heritage. They're not out advocating genocide. This is on the level of black rappers wanting to express their heritage using their own distasteful themes and views. But of course you can't say anything remotely negative against that, because that'd be racist, right? In my initial post I didn't say anything about Prussian Blue. And listening to rap turns you into a [bleep]ing [developmentally delayed]. For what I think of gangsta's and rap, read Schm0(tigra)'s post. Stud112 (UNBANNED)99 atk, 92 def, 99 str, 97 hp, 118 combat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zonorhc Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 So you decided to start an argument by taking a statement out of context. Good work. Varrock Library: Shattered Sky | Silent Thunder | The Emperor's FinestAstri @ MythWeavers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XdomX Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Not really, I decided to clarify that views are dangerous and sometimes being like sweden in WWII is not the best route. Stud112 (UNBANNED)99 atk, 92 def, 99 str, 97 hp, 118 combat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abelmisi Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Nationalism is a good and healthy thing, it's just these idiots that make it seem bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcneilp Posted July 20, 2007 Author Share Posted July 20, 2007 lets try to not get this locked because of a flame war... keep your views coming! It isn't in the castle, It isn't in the mist, It's a calling of the waters, As they break to show, The new Black Death, With reactors aglow, Do you think your security, Can keep you in purity, You will not shake us off above or belowScottish frictionScottish fiction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 I agree with Zonorhc. As soon as they hurt one soul however, try them for the appropiate case. "The cry of the poor is not always just, but if you never hear it you'll never know what justice is." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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