BlueLancer Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 You can bash Bush all you want. So he doesn't pass a child healthcare bill, I'm sure he wasn't the first to do so. But what I really want to know, is why policy hasn't changed in the past 2 years. The congress is now democrat majority but yet there have been no changes in Iraq. In fact, there are more troops being sent there than before. I'm not being a jerk here, but do you know why that is? No one can give me an answer on that! I seriously don't know if you're kidding or trying to troll-bait here. You can't possibly NOT know this: Bush Vetoes troop withdrawal bill WASHINGTON (AP) - President Bush vetoed legislation to pull U.S. troops out of Iraq Tuesday night in a historic showdown with Congress over whether the unpopular and costly war should end or escalate. In only the second veto of his presidency, Bush rejected legislation pushed by Democratic leaders that would require the first U.S. combat troops to be withdrawn from Iraq by Oct. 1 with a goal of a complete pullout six months later. Democrats accused Bush of ignoring American's desire to stop the war, which has claimed the lives of more than 3,350 members of the military. The new congress has tried to pull out the troops all along, but "one man" is holding it back. How is telling the truth "bashing" him? If I lived in the 1940's and criticized Hitler's policy to exterminate jews, would you tell me "whatever, keep bashing him dumb liberal"? (I don't have *any* political affiliation btw) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satenza Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 Congress could theoretically cut the spending on the war and try and hoist troops out of it that way, but then it would just be blamed for soliders dying due to funds being cut. With so many trees in the city you could see the spring coming each day until a night of warm wind would bring it suddenly in one morning. Sometimes the heavy cold rains would beat it back so that it would seem that it would never come and that you were losing a season out of your life. But you knew that there would always be the spring as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person had died for no reason. In those days though the spring always came finally but it was frightening that it had nearly failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Range_This11 Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 No I really wasn't trying to bait you, but obviously we don't want another post vietnam here. I think he might have learned at least one lesson over the course of his presidency. Although I don't want troops to be left in Iraq indefinitely, I don't think that bringing them all out immediately would do U.S. or Iraq any good. Slowly phasing them out is the best answer. If we leave the Iraqi people hanging, I think there will be some bitter tension from them in 20 years, the same way there is with Vietnam and Korea. "He could climb to it, if he climbed alone, and once there he could suck on the pap of life, gulp down the incomparable milk of wonder." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satenza Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 There has been bitter tention towards the US from the Iraqi people anyway. With so many trees in the city you could see the spring coming each day until a night of warm wind would bring it suddenly in one morning. Sometimes the heavy cold rains would beat it back so that it would seem that it would never come and that you were losing a season out of your life. But you knew that there would always be the spring as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person had died for no reason. In those days though the spring always came finally but it was frightening that it had nearly failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLancer Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 No I really wasn't trying to bait you, but obviously we don't want another post vietnam here. I think he might have learned at least one lesson over the course of his presidency. Although I don't want troops to be left in Iraq indefinitely, I don't think that bringing them all out immediately would do U.S. or Iraq any good. Slowly phasing them out is the best answer. If we leave the Iraqi people hanging, I think there will be some bitter tension from them in 20 years, the same way there is with Vietnam and Korea. I agree with that, in fact I think the democrats' idea to totally pull out soon is horrible. It's a strategical suicide. Realistically the troops need to stay there for many more years to train the local troops and provide safety. What I was pointing out was that the american pubilc wants the troops back home, which is a huge reason why they voted the democrats in as majority. Bush is holding back everything based on his judgement on 'national security' (by saying those two words, apparently these days any official can excuse anything) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedofsound Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 That, BlueLancer is where things get a bit hazy, The republicans want us to stay indefinitely The democrats want us to pull out all at once The republicans and democrats are only seeing the extremes of both spectrum's. It's time for someone with fair judgment to step in. You can't ever find a place that's nice and peaceful, because there isn't any. You may think there is, but once you get there, when you're not looking, somebody'll sneak up and write "(bleep) you" right under your nose. Try it sometime. I think, even, if I ever die, and they stick me in a cemetery, and I have a tombstone and all, it'll say "Holden Caulfield" on it, and then what year I was born and what year I died, and then right under that it'll say "(bleep) you." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qeltar Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 I'm afraid that you guys are being played. The real distinctions between the Republicans and Democrats are far, far less than they'd like you to believe. They are differentiating themselves in the hopes of getting elected, and that's pretty much it. It was only a year ago that the Democrats swept into power in Congress, in part based on promises of withdrawing or reducing involvement in Iraq. What have Pelosi and company done in that regard? Why, absolutely nothing. And neither will any of the Democratic presidential candidates if elected, at least not in any hurry. I'm sure "some day" we (hopefully) will pull out of Iraq, but the timing is based on issues that go well beyond any political promises. The only possible exception to this would be if someone of principle (i.e. Ron Paul) were elected, but that's not going to happen. Don't believe what politicians say, believe what they do. Qeltar, aka Charles KozierokWebmaster, RuneScoop - Premium RuneScape Information for Expert Players -- Now Free!Featuring the Ultimate Guide to Dungeoneering -- everything you need to know to get the most of the new skill! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Range_This11 Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 I've always believed that The Iraq War, abortion, homosexual marriage, illegal immigration were all poll getters. It just gets people out to the polls to vote for "candidate X" And Ron Paul FTW. I've had him on my myspace for ages now, ever since I saw him on The Colbert Report. He's got my vote come November next year. "He could climb to it, if he climbed alone, and once there he could suck on the pap of life, gulp down the incomparable milk of wonder." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubsa Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 No-one "signs up" to be a U.S. citizen by giving away their choice to go or support a war. Frankly, that's quite silly. This is how much you all raised for charity. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evilperson Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 I've always believed that The Iraq War, abortion, homosexual marriage, illegal immigration were all poll getters. It just gets people out to the polls to vote for "candidate X" And Ron Paul FTW. I've had him on my myspace for ages now, ever since I saw him on The Colbert Report. He's got my vote come November next year. Good god, i hope you are kidding. Ron Paul is the biggest joke to come to the United States since woman's rights. See what i did there? I made a serious comment by relating it to a fallacious comment of equal magnitude. And you know, candidates eventually start out with that, but then eventually end up saying things to appease everyone and making broad general statements. Candidates tell the voters what they want to hear and then do whatever the hell they feel like while in office. That is why democracy is flawed. Boy this topic sure went far from the draft. Everybody lovin' it, but ain't no body touchin' it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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