to those complaining about recent updates

[idunedain]

If someone criticizes a recent update and you think that the criticism is off-base, why not engage your brain and reply with a post stating WHY you think the update is alright?

 

Of course, excellent idea! I have an even better one actually! Why don't make posts after posts in all threads discussing the recent updates? And criticize the updates using the same arguments all over again. And again. And never stop, after all, what's the purpose of whining if you're not heard. By everyone. Several times.

 

 

 

Then maybe a useful discussion would ensue, and if you have a valid point, maybe you'd change some people's minds.

 

Or maybe they will change your mind? It's a possibility, even if I know it didn't cross your mind... I have yet to see you saying "I was wrong, you were right, I changed my mind"... Or maybe it simply happens that you're always right?

 

 

 

This thread, however, is just insulting mularkey.

:lol: ah, if you could only see yourself the way others see you... :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

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On topic: Whining or simply complaining, I do agree with you, it's a lot of it. But people don't like changes. With every update made, the game changes. There will ALWAYS be some who'll complain about it. Even if nothing changes, there are some who complain that nothing changes. That's the way it is.... and I'm sorry but you (or anyone else) will never manage to get your point through. Anyway, I'm glad you tried, I'm just more of a pesimistic nature

[qeltar]

 

We all know where you stand qeltar, bent on undermining Jagex.

 

 

Wrong. Again.

 

 

 

I am a passionate person with strong beliefs. When I feel something is wrong, I state my views clearly and loudly. When I feel something is right, I do the same.

 

 

 

I have been one of Jagex's strongest supporters when I feel they have made updates that are high in quality, or changes that are good for the game. However, their recent features and changes have been poorly conceived, horribly implemented, often destructive to gameplay, and in many cases downright stupid.

 

 

 

It is not my fault that Jagex has decided to ruin its own game with ridiculous updates, and I will not stop expressing my views to satisfy a small group of mindless fanboys who think Jagex can do no wrong. If you don't like it, I suggest you skip my posts.

[DragnFly]

first off I would like to say STOP whining. :shame:

 

second I would like to say yes there have been some recent changes that impact alot of people who see things as "fun". But it is something we are all going to have to deal with. As many of us have before.Complaining is just showing people how immature you really are about things.

 

 

 

 

First off, while I understand your intent behind posting this, I doubt it will accomplish anything. Whether its on this forum, or the many others, its quite a frequent occurance to see a "stop complaining" post. I can not think of one time it has ever stopped people from complaining.

 

 

 

As for the complaints themselves, I think constructive criticism and disapproval can (but not always) lead to a decent discussion, whereas pure venting usually does not. Stating you disapprove of something is fine, offering suggestions and ideas are also fine.

 

 

 

Admittedly, everyone has their moments for venting, myself included. However before posting on the forums, usually the best advice for people is to read what you have typed before submitting it. Sadly, the majority of the posts are vents.

 

 

 

However, in the case of alot of the recent updates, in regards to the extreme measures taken to combat real world trading, botting, and protecting players has been quite abit extreme and deserving of the criticism.

 

 

 

Examples of the HUGE changes that Jagex has made to "accomodate" complainers.

 

 

 

1) change to the pk anywhere.

 

Alot of us LOVED this idea. Someone annoyed you while training you kill them . Nice and simple. people complained it's gone.

 

 

 

2) good/evil magic

 

the fear spell was a great thing in it's day. Allowed people to play the "evil" role a bit more than what you can today. people complained , it's gone.

 

 

 

 

Sounds like you read my post about playing the villian. Especially judging by the "Allowed people to play the "evil" role a bit more than what you can today" comment.

 

 

 

While I do not approve of several of the updates revolving around over protecting players in the last year or so, the intent of the post was more than to just rant. In peticular, I wanted to see it lead to actual conversation about the issue I had mentioned, since there is little discussion on how to actually BE a villian in the game. Between thoughts from other players about how to approach being one, along with possible suggestions from what others would like to see, I think the post itself has potential.

 

 

 

Sadly, I have a feeling that potential will not go too far. The general board nowadays, at almost any given time mostly consists of several threads about the whatever the most recent update, the next few planned updates, and the usual "What if" topics.

 

 

 

Stop complaining and let things be there will always be a change coming and we are going to have to deal with it as we have in the past.

 

 

 

Just the 2 cents of an old player :P

 

 

 

 

In fairness, people complained alot in the past too.

 

 

 

For example, think back to the middle of 2001. When we all knew rune armor would be coming out, and staff had been seen carrying the lavender color rune items before they were ever released to the general public.

 

 

 

People started a thread right here, stating that they thought rune armor should be a different color. The two most popular choices for the new color of rune armor was lighter blue, and white (I voted for white, for whatever reason).

 

 

 

Light blue had won out, and the players got their wishes. It was changed before it was ever released. What happened the very same day of its released? People complained, said it looked too much like "mega man" armor, and how that they would never wear that.

 

 

 

I'm solid in my theroy that Jagex is trying to ruin rs in hopes to market other games.

 

 

 

RuneScape is their main game, infact their only commercial one. To intentionally ruin it would be to shoot themselves in the foot.

 

 

 

If you played during the first updates he mentioned, you would agree that it was better BEFORE the updates.

 

 

 

I agree, in most cases the game was better back then. I miss the old Runescape.

 

 

 

Even though I was never really one for PKing, and stuck to non-pk mode (aside from when I first started), I think the ability to fight across the map is nice and offers far more possibilities than restricting it to a certain area.

 

 

 

Although I do like that we had the choice of whether to play in PK mode or not. Well not at first, but by the time I started playing it was a choice.

 

 

 

Are you kidding? Getting pked anywhere? That's insane. I wouldn't last a week in a game like that.

 

 

 

For the majority of the time as I mentioned above, when creating a character you had a choice of whether you wanted to start in pk mode or not. As well as you could only attack or be attacked by people 4 levels above or below your level. You also had the ability to switch twice after your initial choice before your character was locked into a peticular mode.

[swordwarior]

your a classic player, i think most classic players have diffrent views. We have seen many changes since classic that had major impacts on the game, yet kept playing and learned to live with it. Now days it seems as if people think the game will end after every update. Jagex has made alot of changes and has yet to ruin the game. Its all in the evolution of rune, things just need to changed sometimes to make for a better game in the long run.

[Dravenstormn]

There is nothing wrong with complaning and doing so doesn't make look immature.

 

 

 

We as customers of Jagex have every right to demand a better game. Infact, without us complaning Jagex would not had been as motivated to make the improvements made so far.

 

 

 

Also, all the examples you listed are not really defending your point. All those changes were made thanks to complainers. Those are examples that support that complaning is good for Runescape :-k

 

 

 

There is a HUGE difference in complaining that something doesn't work or fit in and the immature things that people have done to "complain" about what has been done.

 

 

 

And those changes I listed were NOT for the better in the opinion of many people. But we dealt with it as I stated before. Think before you post please.

 

 

 

for example:

 

The recent dueling changes people sat in Falador right where you teleport to "picketing". Picketing on a game that they want thier precious dueling back. I mean come on ... that is not the kind of things Jagex wants people to do to get things fixed. If anything more people were muted and banned during that little event than anything else.

 

 

 

 

For the most part, I like how Runescape is now. If Runescape went back to its original version, the one you liked and miss, then it would be you and a few others who would be playing it.

 

 

 

Now, where is the fun in playing a game with so few people?

 

 

 

I hate to actually disappoint you in this quote but there would be a ton more people who have quit and never looked back since the change from classic to rs2. I also don't think you understand the multitude of players on private classic servers out there who in fact loved classic more than todays runescape. Look how many people make posts about bringing classic back on a daily basis on the forums here , and on RSOF. Sorry but therewould be alot more people playing than you think.

[spikerkid]

I agree with everything other than the staking one. 3k every 15mins is just pathetic.. I agree with the cap but not how it's so low.

[Darkfuhrer]

omg,thank god someone finally made this post.

 

I remember all those great things you mentioned earlier,then people were complaining nd they were gone.

 

People will never stop complaining

[emmanuel1233]

I'm solid in my theroy that Jagex is trying to ruin rs in hopes to market other games.

 

 

 

LOL i don't think jagex is going to ruin many yrs of hard work just

 

to market another game... -100 points to you :shame:

[Dravenstormn]

I'm solid in my theroy that Jagex is trying to ruin rs in hopes to market other games.

 

 

 

this would be like sony saying "Eh, let's kill Final Fantasy off cause we want to make another game." That statement is just plain outragous and stupid. Why would they want to kill what has turned them from 2 guys in school learning programming into a multi million dollar corporation?

 

 

 

I give this my DUH award of the day! =D> =D>

[aznmidget448]

I myself have played since almost the very beginning of the game and never staked once , never sat in a bank for hours on end shouting for someone to buy my junk. I went out and used the skills I gained while playing to make my money and gain the items the way they were intended to be.

 

 

 

Finally someone I can agree with :P I personally think merchanters and people who won tons of money on staking are missing the point of the game, which is to have fun and make friends while training your skills. I do the same thing as Draven when it comes to gaining items.

 

 

 

My advice: Find something else to do, stop complaining, and move on with your life.

[Rsslayer96]

I'm sort of half and half on this issue. Yes, complainers tend to get on my nerves when I'm reading forums or playing runescape but those are only the people who say "0mg Jagex you guys suck" and yet offer no way of improving the game. Then there are other people like qeltar, even though I disagree with some of his views about Jagex's recent updates, he at least offers up positve criticism and does say things that he thinks would help the game out.