P2p mage, too powerful?

[Bnaped]

Is it just me or is members magic way to powerful. I mean, you could kill someone without them ever having a chance, i dont think that is fair. After seeing dozens of pk videos with ppl maging, i have come to the conclusion that magic is far to powerful.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You could just be minding your own business training at greens when a mage comes. Bam telle blocked. You try to run, bam entangled. Now he shoots a hella lot of spells ( Dont know what the new staff spells are called, but ive heard they are quite powerfull ) your untangled and you try to run, bam entangled again. Then your dead.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Did you even have a chance to defend yourself?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

well i hope someone agrees with me.

[Irool]

charge = 2100+ gp a cast

 

 

 

Sara strike = 1400+ gp to cast

 

 

 

Teleblock = ~800 gp to cast

 

 

 

Entangle = 1600+ gp to cast

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It would be an insult if mages weren't this powerful. No other class is so wasteful while they pk, none

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You have to piss away all that money trying to kill someone for full rune. If someone is throwing away all this money for each attack, why shouldn't they be doing above average damage?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

a person with a maul can, for free, hit a 26 on me. I should be able to hit 30s considering what I'm wasting just to do it. Not to mention the 17,000,000 gp I spent to get 85 magic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And you make it sound like warriors stand no chance. A lot of people get away from me since I get interupted by monsters a lot since sara strike isn't auto cast. And people pray, entangle fails, there's lots of ways to survive a magician.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I cast 15 sara strikes then entangle fails and the dude gets away, well there's about 60k down the crapper :lol: The only people I absolutely massacre are those who aren't ready for an attack and are more than 13 levels lower than me. I often 1 or 3 hit them

[Shad]

Carry hides/range gear with you

[bedman]

charge = 2100+ gp a cast

 

 

 

Sara strike = 1400+ gp to cast

 

 

 

Teleblock = ~800 gp to cast

 

 

 

Entangle = 1600+ gp to cast

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It would be an insult if mages weren't this powerful. No other class is so wasteful while they pk, none

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You have to piss away all that money trying to kill someone for full rune. If someone is throwing away all this money for each attack, why shouldn't they be doing above average damage?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

a person with a maul can, for free, hit a 26 on me. I should be able to hit 30s considering what I'm wasting just to do it. Not to mention the 17,000,000 gp I spent to get 85 magic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And you make it sound like warriors stand no chance. A lot of people get away from me since I get interupted by monsters a lot since sara strike isn't auto cast. And people pray, entangle fails, there's lots of ways to survive a magician.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I cast 15 sara strikes then entangle fails and the dude gets away, well there's about 60k down the crapper :lol: The only people I absolutely massacre are those who aren't ready for an attack and are more than 13 levels lower than me. I often 1 or 3 hit them

 

 

 

i totally agree.

 

 

 

however, i dont get how you wasted that much money for ur 85 magic

 

 

 

i got all the runes for 85 magic and ive "wasted" about 5-7M

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

something else:

 

 

 

ur story is a big lie.

 

 

 

you cant teleblock and use the ancient spells at the same time...

 

 

 

(gotta change spell list)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

or did you first talk about getting ownt by entangle, teleblock, and god spells, and then started talking about those new spells?

[lunchbox456]

Yes, they are.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

However, Jagex wont do anything.

[Donahue65]

quit whining and just pray

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

if you arent there to pk ....just pray....and....eat....not hard

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

u melles got a little thing called a maull...that can kill someone in a blink of an eye...how is that not to powerful :?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

if anyone has the right to whine its rangers :lol: ...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

we cant have 2 specs...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yet maulers get 3..and hit 6 hp harder on each usually :oops:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

...........

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

besies i have never had trouble...with any mage...ever...when im

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ranging.. there powers are just fine...escpecially the prices bloods and

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

nats are....

[men_you]

Carry hides/range gear with you

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

mages carry mystic robes to own

[lluckiller]

How is mage too powerful? You guys are blind.

 

 

 

Any (even low level) mauler or whiper with hides can kill any mage in 4-5 hits. I really would like to know which part of that dam triangle was fixed with that whip or maul. *sighs

 

 

 

Warriors with whip > rangers, mages

 

 

 

rangers > mages

 

 

 

mages > noobs wearing full rune and don't carrying whip or maul (haven't seen any of that kind lately)

 

 

 

So please never tell mages are too powerful in my presence. :roll:

[Domovoi]

Mages are not overpowered, too use those extremely powerful spells they have to manually click each one and not auto cast. This slows their cast rate and also the runes needed for the more powerful spells are extremely expensive. Plus if you're melee you can just change to dragon hide.

[Utopianflame]

How is mage too powerful? You guys are blind.

 

 

 

Any (even low level) mauler or whiper with hides can kill any mage in 4-5 hits. I really would like to know which part of that dam triangle was fixed with that whip or maul. *sighs

 

 

 

Warriors with whip > rangers, mages

 

 

 

rangers > mages

 

 

 

mages > noobs wearing full rune and don't carrying whip or maul (haven't seen any of that kind lately)

 

 

 

So please never tell mages are too powerful in my presence. :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If and only if you let them get next to you which if your using ancient magic they really shouldnt.

[lluckiller]

If and only if you let them get next to you which if your using ancient magic they really shouldnt.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Have you ever tried ancient magic? It fails on hides equally good as regular one. They can get to you quite easily. Magic fails even on full rune time to time (in case you don't know) :roll:

[Utopianflame]

 

If and only if you let them get next to you which if your using ancient magic they really shouldnt.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Have you ever tried ancient magic? It fails on hides equally good as regular one. They can get to you quite easily. Magic fails even on full rune time to time (in case you don't know) :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I did I tried it a bit at the dueling arena, mine statement was assuming they didnt have hides(which ill admit is a little bit rare these days.

[Craven_Image]

I don't think mages are overpowered however the mages which have the ability to use the ancient spells - the level 84 magic spell and the level 94 magic spell are quite powerful.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I met a level 90 ancient staff caster who had 84 magic and was wearing full splitbark armour. I'm level 122 and I was wearing full black dragonhide with 99 defence and 94 magic (both acts as magic defence). I was also using the magic protect prayer with all of this I very nearly died to the mage because the entangle on the spell lasted for a good 15 seconds everytime this was cast I was entangled for 15 seconds and it was cast about once every second so for me to get away I'm guessing the mage had to fail 15 times in a row, which fortunetly for me he did and I got away with no food and 50hp.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Even though I believe this is very powerful I don't think this is overpowered as if I had been a ranger I would of quite easily beat him as he would of had to eat food as I could attack him from a distance. This is just improving the Pking triangle.

[lluckiller]

I don't think mages are overpowered however the mages which have the ability to use the ancient spells - the level 84 magic spell and the level 94 magic spell are quite powerful.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I met a level 90 ancient staff caster who had 84 magic and was wearing full splitbark armour. I'm level 122 and I was wearing full black dragonhide with 99 defence and 94 magic (both acts as magic defence). I was also using the magic protect prayer with all of this I very nearly died to the mage because the entangle on the spell lasted for a good 15 seconds everytime this was cast I was entangled for 15 seconds and it was cast about once every second so for me to get away I'm guessing the mage had to fail 15 times in a row, which fortunetly for me he did and I got away with no food and 50hp.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Even though I believe this is very powerful I don't think this is overpowered as if I had been a ranger I would of quite easily beat him as he would of had to eat food as I could attack him from a distance. This is just improving the Pking triangle.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I must admit you are quite unlucky or I am. Entangle spell fails 4 times from every 5 cast on hides by me, and my magic is 87 :?

 

 

 

And it doesn't last 15 seconds as far as I noticed... If he/she failed 15 times in a row, what were you doing? Mage would be dead failing only 5 times in a row. And another one thing entangle doesnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t work on already entangled guy, it has to wear off to be entangled again.

[rukano]

the bind spells are the stupidest thing jagex has ever come up with except for slayer

[Craven_Image]

 

I don't think mages are overpowered however the mages which have the ability to use the ancient spells - the level 84 magic spell and the level 94 magic spell are quite powerful.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I met a level 90 ancient staff caster who had 84 magic and was wearing full splitbark armour. I'm level 122 and I was wearing full black dragonhide with 99 defence and 94 magic (both acts as magic defence). I was also using the magic protect prayer with all of this I very nearly died to the mage because the entangle on the spell lasted for a good 15 seconds everytime this was cast I was entangled for 15 seconds and it was cast about once every second so for me to get away I'm guessing the mage had to fail 15 times in a row, which fortunetly for me he did and I got away with no food and 50hp.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Even though I believe this is very powerful I don't think this is overpowered as if I had been a ranger I would of quite easily beat him as he would of had to eat food as I could attack him from a distance. This is just improving the Pking triangle.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I must admit you are quite unlucky or I am. Entangle spell fails 4 times from every 5 cast on hides by me, and my magic is 87 :?

 

 

 

And it doesn't last 15 seconds as far as I noticed... If he/she failed 15 times in a row, what were you doing? Mage would be dead failing only 5 times in a row. And another one thing entangle doesnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t work on already entangled guy, it has to wear off to be entangled again.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not talking about the entangle spell, you can't cast entangle spell with the ancient spells. The ancient staff spells hit you for 1-30 and also has the same effects as entangle. This results in a permanent entangle until they fail a few times in a row.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If i'm against a mage with the normal spells I easily win, if anything those spells are underpowered excluding the teleblock which should be available for all classes or even better each class has a specialized advantage for example melee could attack people in solo even though they are fighting or being attacked by an NPC.

[lluckiller]

I'm not talking about the entangle spell, you can't cast entangle spell with the ancient spells. The ancient staff spells hit you for 1-30 and also has the same effects as entangle. This results in a permanent entangle until they fail a few times in a row.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If i'm against a mage with the normal spells I easily win, if anything those spells are underpowered excluding the teleblock which should be available for all classes or even better each class has a specialized advantage for example melee could attack people in solo even though they are fighting or being attacked by an NPC.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Only ice spells have entangle effect and no way it can last 15 seconds.

 

 

 

And it fails very often, like too often in my opinion. That and reason there is no tele block in ancient magic book makes me think that ancient magic won't be overused.

 

 

 

You just had unlucky day or mage had lucky one.

[huyhuynh]

dam jagex promised to balance the pking triangle but since then i see they do nothing, just make the rangers more powerful in p2p and make maul for melee, i havent since any BIG update for mage

[Donahue65]

dam jagex promised to balance the pking triangle but since then i see they do nothing, just make the rangers more powerful in p2p and make maul for melee, i havent since any BIG update for mage

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

you gotta be kidding right??

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

just cuase i dont thinnk they are overpowered, doesnt mean i think they havent got any updates..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

mages have has plenty of updates....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and rangers havent been made more powerfull...more like less powerful in p2p

[Bnaped]

 

dam jagex promised to balance the pking triangle but since then i see they do nothing, just make the rangers more powerful in p2p and make maul for melee, i havent since any BIG update for mage

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

you gotta be kidding right??

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

just cuase i dont thinnk they are overpowered, doesnt mean i think they havent got any updates..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

mages have has plenty of updates....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and rangers havent been made more powerfull...more like less powerful in p2p

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree with that, They need to make range spec take up less percent, maybe 33% That way it will equal up to all the other combat modes.

[Irool]

 

 

 

i totally agree.

 

 

 

however, i dont get how you wasted that much money for ur 85 magic

 

 

 

i got all the runes for 85 magic and ive "wasted" about 5-7M

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I chose speed over efficiency

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm sure I could do it with 0 gp at the varrock sewer mind rune spawn, but I won't :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you must know, I make around a mil-2 a day, it's not a lot but i have a consistent method that adds up over time allowing me to do what I want generally. And what I wanted happened to be around 48,000 law runes :lol:

[Craven_Image]

 

I'm not talking about the entangle spell, you can't cast entangle spell with the ancient spells. The ancient staff spells hit you for 1-30 and also has the same effects as entangle. This results in a permanent entangle until they fail a few times in a row.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If i'm against a mage with the normal spells I easily win, if anything those spells are underpowered excluding the teleblock which should be available for all classes or even better each class has a specialized advantage for example melee could attack people in solo even though they are fighting or being attacked by an NPC.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Only ice spells have entangle effect and no way it can last 15 seconds.

 

 

 

And it fails very often, like too often in my opinion. That and reason there is no tele block in ancient magic book makes me think that ancient magic won't be overused.

 

 

 

You just had unlucky day or mage had lucky one.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This isn't just a one off i've Pked with the ancient staff spells and i've killed many rangers with it through their hides. Although it does fail a bit the entangle lasts for more than the gap between fails.

[I_am_level_3]

I think mages have become infinitely more abusive than rangers ever were.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Think about it, Rangers used to be able to hit an insane amount of damage from a distance at a very good rate with 4x special. However, Mages have the ability to completely stop a player from moving pretty much indefinately. Wearing Black Hide, having 83 mage and 85 defense, and with my mage prayer on, more or less get entangled every time. People 25 levels lower than me with more or less my same mage level are able to kill me because it ceases to be a fight and becomes instead, something analagous to a kid burning holes in ants with a magnifying glass.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What I've also found in dealing with mages is that, even with their robes that offer almost no defense against Melee and most likely lower melee stats (read: defense) than I have, they still seem to hit me with their mage more often than I hit them, and this is with Black Hide on mind you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My final qualm is teleblock. Teleblock is a huge advantage to mages, because it completely defeats the purpose of being able to teleport in low wildy (which made low wildy relatively safe for innocent trainers like myself), which was clearly original included by Jagex for this purpose. Teleblock at higher levels or for skulled individuals seems perfectly reasonable, but it makes anybody minding their business in low wildy easy prey for any idiot with 85 mage.

[I_am_level_3]

I agree with that, They need to make range spec take up less percent, maybe 33% That way it will equal up to all the other combat modes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Then we can go back to the days when Range owned melee as well as everything else.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's not balancing the triangle, that's just putting the final nail in the coffin of melee, which is what Jagex seems hell bent on doing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The thing that irks me most about this is you can talk about the cost of training mage and range, but ultimately I've been able to do it pretty efficiently and on the cheap. With fletching it becomes profitable to train mage, and you raise two skills to boot.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Melee requires training 3 stats, not just 1. Unlike level 90+ rangers who use that as their primary weapon, I've trained almost 3 times as much xp.

[meili]

This isn't just a one off i've Pked with the ancient staff spells and i've killed many rangers with it through their hides. Although it does fail a bit the entangle lasts for more than the gap between fails.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Finally, the truth rofl. Mages have been playing down their strengths but from my own experience even with blk hides high level mages can still hit you through it and keep you entangled forever. I'm high def, 98 hp and 82 mage btw. Hmmm nonetheless after some experience fighting mages I think I'll be ok. I am getting range and mage up just for this though. :P Teleblock those ancient mages then kill em with range!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The thing that irks me most about this is you can talk about the cost of training mage and range, but ultimately I've been able to do it pretty efficiently and on the cheap. With fletching it becomes profitable to train mage, and you raise two skills to boot.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm 82 mage and for me magic training is all profits. ;) Never spent a single gp on it.