A Summoning Rant...

[ronnyuk]

Ok so heres my first rant about runescape,

 

 

 

I always loved runescape, it was the first MMO I ever played after coming from a Conterstrike type environment, I played it virtually non stop for a couple of year's and really enjoyed it.

 

 

 

Then it started changing, some things better some worse, but i then looked about and found WOW, now warcraft is not really like RS but it has alot of similarities, so RS has released Summoning and I paid for members.

 

 

 

Heres where my rant begins, warcraft have warlocks who summon various minions/creatures/demons and they use shards in much the same way you use them in RS, but WTF were Jagex thinking when they decided to charge people to be able to level a skill, a combat skill at that.

 

 

 

Jagex recently removed RWT as a major priority so why on earth do they now need to charge people millions of GP to level a skill, and why not make it fun like it is in WOW, as you go up combat levels you get better summon creatures, and your ability and strength increases, why can't jagex take a system that works so well in Wow and incorporate it into RS, the idea is already there so how hard can it be to give it your own touch and release it to the public.

 

 

 

You cannot be serious when you say this skill is the best thing to happen to RS, and how we will all be loving it when it comes out, i am not loving it so i will just do what I always do and just cancel my membership and move on, but how i wish it was a great thing.

 

 

 

I would like to see RS incorporate some wow stuff into its game, and vice versa, a wow/RS hybrid game would be the ultimate game but as we know, Runescape will continue this spiral of poorly thought out skills and quests and stop people like me paying to play a game i used to love.

 

 

 

As a comparison to RS, today me and my brother and 2 other friends who used to play RS all lvl 100+ before we all quit, went and done a 22 chain quest in wow, thats right, 22 quests all in a row, some of the quests involved serious teamwork, some didn't but my god was it fun, at the end we were rewarded very well. Please Jagex, try and make RS fun, remember that word "FUN"

 

 

 

Sorry for the long rant, I expect flames, but hey I know alot of you still enjoy playing RS, and long may it live :)

[Roberthree]

Oh, how much I agree. You know what they say about wow people though: "Once you go wow you never go back". Actually, I'm the only one who says that. >_>

 

 

 

Summoning is great in WoW, its a bit OP combined with a locks DOT and high DPS though. From what I hear about RS-summoning it isn't worth the multiple hundreds of millions of gp it costs. (Of course, I wouldn't know because Jagex is declining a perfectly fine credit card... But thats another story and reason I'm bitter atm.) It is a bit like a warlock summon and a hunter's summon's flaws with a bit of farming, combined into a big pot of failure.

 

 

 

OT: Instances > RS "Team" fights. Hell, only group quest I've ever done was Deadmines and that blew my rs boss trips out of the water.

[ronnyuk]

Oh, how much I agree. You know what they say about wow people though: "Once you go wow you never go back". Actually, I'm the only one who says that. >_>

 

 

 

Summoning is great in WoW, its a bit OP combined with a locks DOT and high DPS though. From what I hear about RS-summoning it isn't worth the multiple hundreds of millions of gp it costs. (Of course, I wouldn't know because Jagex is declining a perfectly fine credit card... But thats another story and reason I'm bitter atm.) It is a bit like a warlock summon and a hunter's summon's flaws with a bit of farming, combined into a big pot of failure.

 

 

 

OT: Instances > RS "Team" fights. Hell, only group quest I've ever done was Deadmines and that blew my rs boss trips out of the water.

 

 

 

Hehe very true, your not the "only" one saying that, I know of 2 people out of my group who left for wow to still want RS to succed, the rest don't even login anymore :)

 

 

 

How hard would it be for RS to introduce group quests, there is no teamwork in RS, its a solo game right to the end, and once you hit the end it's like Death.... Thats it..

 

 

 

In wow people want to get to the end, for the end game content, EPIC pvp items, heroic badges and dungeons, flying mounts etc.

 

 

 

I know RS is limited in what it can do, but it can do better, most people who play RS have never played wow so don't know what it's like on the dark side, but more and more people are moving over, and this is what Jagex needs to stop....

[Locutus_Of_Borg]

I find it amazing that while your thread is 7 paragraphs long it is also only 7 sentences long...

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

If you can't find it enjoyable without it replicating some copyrighted stuff/ideas/intellectual property from WoW, then what do you want us to say? Honestly, that's not anything that anyone can stop or change.

 

 

 

What you need to do is find the fun for yourself. No one can do that for you. If you can't find it, you can't find it, which means you'd go on to WoW anyway.

 

 

 

Sorry, but I find no basis to this rant. Basically it seems like you're trying to say, "Why can't RS be more like WoW?".

[dan2012]

What annoys me about summoning is basically the cost.

 

 

 

I've spent a long time getting my account to 60+ and now hard working to get it to 65+. i pride myself on my lowest stat being 63 runecrafting - a skill i don't enjoy doing, but you're only as good as your lowest level (thank god for Tears of Guthix).

 

 

 

However - although i am now 106cb (+2 thx to summoning) i am not rich, i never have been rich and will most likely never be rich. All the money i make i put back into worthwhile skills.

 

 

 

But to my main point - why the f... does it cost so much for summoning? It's basically a skill to use up the money of the zezima's in the game, but not everybody is as rich as them and cannot afford to spend 20m on shards just to level up a skill that at this moment in time, has no benefit to me.

 

 

 

There are two main things that make up summoning:

 

 

 

1) the availability of charms - they drop 1 at a time, so it is a skill that you can't get to 99 quickly, which i like.

 

 

 

2) shards cost 50gp each - not a lot really, but for granite crabs it works out as 430gp for 23xp and they're level 16.

 

 

 

Surely to make this skill work, Jagex will have to change one or the other, as a combination of both simply does not work. Either make the shards cheaper, or make the charms drop in multiples (1, 5, 10).

 

 

 

Rant over. :XD:

[ronnyuk]

I find it amazing that while your thread is 7 paragraphs long it is also only 7 sentences long...

 

 

 

I find it easier to read in forums to make seperate paragraphs, Sorry if my english language skills are not up to yours.

[legilgalad2]

If you prefer WOW, then play WOW and stop complaining about Runescape. End of.

[Roberthree]

(Of course, I wouldn't know because Jagex is declining a perfectly fine credit card... But thats another story and reason I'm bitter atm.

 

 

 

 

Are you stupid or just handicapped? There's a post on the front page that the billing system is OFFLINE! How much more idiotic can you get?!

 

 

 

We are currently performing maintenance on one of our web systems.

 

 

 

During this time, the following areas of the website will be unavailable:

 

 

 

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We apologise for the inconvenience and are aiming to restore service as soon as possible.

 

 

 

This does not affect existing users wishing to login to the game.

 

 

 

Appeal an offense is offline, not billing. No need to shout and flame though.

[ronnyuk]

If you prefer WOW, then play WOW and stop complaining about Runescape. End of.

 

 

 

Why?? Am i not allowed allowed to complain? I like both games, and I will complain about runescape as long as I see things that I would like changed. Re-read my post then go back to the general forum and spam their threads.

[Cryptogram]

What annoys me about summoning is basically the cost.

 

 

 

I've spent a long time getting my account to 60+ and now hard working to get it to 65+. i pride myself on my lowest stat being 63 runecrafting - a skill i don't enjoy doing, but you're only as good as your lowest level (thank god for Tears of Guthix).

 

 

 

However - although i am now 106cb (+2 thx to summoning) i am not rich, i never have been rich and will most likely never be rich. All the money i make i put back into worthwhile skills.

 

 

 

But to my main point - why the f... does it cost so much for summoning? It's basically a skill to use up the money of the zezima's in the game, but not everybody is as rich as them and cannot afford to spend 20m on shards just to level up a skill that at this moment in time, has no benefit to me.

 

 

 

There are two main things that make up summoning:

 

 

 

1) the availability of charms - they drop 1 at a time, so it is a skill that you can't get to 99 quickly, which i like.

 

 

 

2) shards cost 50gp each - not a lot really, but for granite crabs it works out as 430gp for 23xp and they're level 16.

 

 

 

Surely to make this skill work, Jagex will have to change one or the other, as a combination of both simply does not work. Either make the shards cheaper, or make the charms drop in multiples (1, 5, 10).

 

 

 

Rant over. :XD:

 

 

 

Agreed.

 

Firstly, Jagex said it won't be an easy skill to level - I think we're meant to read that as it won't be a cheap skill to level. As far as the charms are concerned, I spent two hours on fire giants yesterday and got just over 100 charms - pathetic.

 

 

 

Secondly, if you play WoW, just play it and stfu. :-$ I've played it - it's expensive crud apart from the graphics. If you want to compare RS with WoW, you're just being unrealistic. RS is miles better value.

[ronnyuk]

What is it with some of you fanboys, has all these updates made you immune to crap?

 

I was stating that I wanted to see summoning as a good skill that benefited you in your daily grind to get levels, Comparing RS to WOW is silly, but some of the updates are very wowesque like headstones,GE, summoning.

 

 

 

So the basis i have to compare Summoning is the model in WOW which works as intended, if I wanted to sit and make pouches all day I would just level crafting. I like RS and wow, I "will" not quit playing RS and "STFU" as been previously posted, I play both games, and am allowed to have my opinions.....

[ronnyuk]

If you can't find it enjoyable without it replicating some copyrighted stuff/ideas/intellectual property from WoW, then what do you want us to say? Honestly, that's not anything that anyone can stop or change.

 

 

 

What you need to do is find the fun for yourself. No one can do that for you. If you can't find it, you can't find it, which means you'd go on to WoW anyway.

 

 

 

Sorry, but I find no basis to this rant. Basically it seems like you're trying to say, "Why can't RS be more like WoW?".

 

 

 

Find no basis for my rant???

 

 

 

How about the fact summoning gives you 1xp when you "SUMMON" a creature and 30+ xp when you make a pouch, why not incorporate crafting into summoning??

 

 

 

It's called summoning ffs so you should gain XP when you summon or use your summoned object, that's the basis to my rant, I was just saying wow at least have got it right, RS have not.....

[Zephyrah]

Why do you to suggest a mix between two games so different? I don't think that "hybrid" would work because many people would just start complaining aboout rs stealing from WoW and vice-versa.

 

 

 

EDIT: Just read your last post, I agree you should be given the xp when summoning instead when making the pouch.

[Roberthree]

I don't think that "hybrid" would work because many people would just start complaining aboout rs stealing from WoW and vice-versa.

 

 

 

WoW= Soul Shards (Haven't played a hunter yet, sorry)

 

RS= Spirit Shards.

 

Coincidence? I doubt it....

 

 

 

Either way, summoning is a joke. Leveling it requires no actual SUMMONING. It's pouchcrafting. Its runecrafting, except you're making pouches instead of utilizing them.

[RandomKnight]

If you dont like the WoW version so much better, then go play it-if you dont want to do that, then find somthing else to do on runescape, aru

 

Simple as that

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

If you can't find it enjoyable without it replicating some copyrighted stuff/ideas/intellectual property from WoW, then what do you want us to say? Honestly, that's not anything that anyone can stop or change.

 

 

 

What you need to do is find the fun for yourself. No one can do that for you. If you can't find it, you can't find it, which means you'd go on to WoW anyway.

 

 

 

Sorry, but I find no basis to this rant. Basically it seems like you're trying to say, "Why can't RS be more like WoW?".

 

 

 

Find no basis for my rant???

 

 

 

How about the fact summoning gives you 1xp when you "SUMMON" a creature and 30+ xp when you make a pouch, why not incorporate crafting into summoning??

 

 

 

It's called summoning ffs so you should gain XP when you summon or use your summoned object, that's the basis to my rant, I was just saying wow at least have got it right, RS have not.....

 

 

 

Well, you'd have a basis for your rant had you and the WoW fanboys left out the part where you think that WoW "has it right".

 

 

 

You do gain experience when summoning a beast, but it's a giant balancing act. You either give exuberant amounts of experience for the summoning of the monster and make pouches untradable, or you give very little amounts of experience for the actual summon and keep the pouches tradable. Think about this: if you gained the same amount of experience as making a pouch, or even half of that when summoning a monster, we'd probably have someone halfway to 99 by now. Kinda defeats the purpose if you ask me.

 

 

 

I can't tell you how silly it is for you to think that WoW "has it right" when RuneScape doesn't. They're on different scales. So that's why I can't see any basis to this rant -- until you can debate RuneScape's flaws on a RuneScape level, that is.

[Roberthree]

Just for the record: I play WoW and RS equally... Each has it's own charms, and it really depends on what I feel like doing at the time.

 

 

 

I can just say this. The only reason my RC level is high is because of the absurd amount of money it has given me. I'm not sure "Reverse RuneCrafting" in which you loose money instead of gain it will work. Unless I start seeing high level summons hitting 40s I don't think many people will raise it very high.

[ronnyuk]

Looks like they are halving the cost of the shards, so that's one thing I suppose, I would like to see xp gained while fighting with your familier, I am not a wow fanboy, I play both games, I have put equal amount of effort into both games.

[Solidus_77]

Then it started changing, some things better some worse, but i then looked about and found WOW, now warcraft is not really like RS but it has alot of similarities, so RS has released Summoning and I paid for members.

 

 

 

Heres where my rant begins, warcraft have warlocks who summon various minions/creatures/demons and they use shards in much the same way you use them in RS, but WTF were Jagex thinking when they decided to charge people to be able to level a skill, a combat skill at that.

 

 

 

Why is it so hard to understand balance? You can't just make a cheap skill that has heaps of benefits. There has to be a downside somewhere. With summoning you get hundreds of benefits from your familiars so it's only natural that you have to end up spending something. It will pay itself in the longrun trust me.

 

 

 

Jagex recently removed RWT as a major priority so why on earth do they now need to charge people millions of GP to level a skill

 

 

 

To limit the already extreme benefits of the skill.

 

 

 

and why not make it fun like it is in WOW,

 

 

 

Because this is a JAVA game and there exists limitations. Also, "fun" is a matter of opinion. I think this skill is incredibly fun and has added a lot to the game.

 

 

 

as you go up combat levels you get better summon creatures, and your ability and strength increases,

 

 

 

Your combat abilities will increase as you hunt for charms, trust me.

 

 

 

why can't jagex take a system that works so well in Wow and incorporate it into RS, the idea is already there so how hard can it be to give it your own touch and release it to the public.

 

 

 

 

1. This is a JAVA GAME, so limitations exist

 

2. Just imagine all the idiots running around saying "this game looks too much like WOW" or "this game rips off wow"

 

 

 

You cannot be serious when you say this skill is the best thing to happen to RS,

 

 

 

Uh, yes you can. It's called opinions.

 

 

 

and how we will all be loving it when it comes out, i am not loving it so i will just do what I always do and just cancel my membership and move on, but how i wish it was a great thing.

 

 

 

So you just try a skill, decide you don't like it because it's not identical to another game and then decide to quit? Talk about impulsive. But I'm not here to critisize your actions, I'm here to tell you that there is way more to the skill than you think.

 

 

 

I would like to see RS incorporate some wow stuff into its game, and vice versa, a wow/RS hybrid game would be the ultimate game but as we know, Runescape will continue this spiral of poorly thought out skills and quests and stop people like me paying to play a game i used to love.

 

 

 

Just go play WOW if you love it so much. There is no way this game will be able to look like it. And also you have yet to explain why summoning is so "poorly thoughtout" besides the fact that you "just don't like it" and believe it's too expensive without realizing the hundreds of benefits.

 

 

 

As a comparison to RS, today me and my brother and 2 other friends who used to play RS all lvl 100+ before we all quit, went and done a 22 chain quest in wow, thats right, 22 quests all in a row, some of the quests involved serious teamwork,

 

 

 

Don't even compare the quests in wow and quests in RS. The quests in WoW are generally quite poor and consist of just random tasks while RS quests have actual storylines to them (way better than what you find in WoW). The mere fact that you were able to complete that many quests in a short amount of time just shows how poor-quality the quests in WoW can be.

 

 

 

Don't get me wrong, WoW has some aspects that are much better than runescape, but quests aren't one of them.

 

 

 

some didn't but my god was it fun, at the end we were rewarded very well. Please Jagex, try and make RS fun, remember that word "FUN"

 

 

 

Again, your definition of "fun" is waaaay different from other people's. So this description is totally vague and doesn't hold the slightest bit of significance.

 

 

 

Sorry for the long rant, I expect flames, but hey I know alot of you still enjoy playing RS, and long may it live

 

 

 

well at least this rant isn't completely terrible.

 

 

 

Looks like they are halving the cost of the shards, so that's one thing I suppose, I would like to see xp gained while fighting with your familier, I am not a wow fanboy, I play both games, I have put equal amount of effort into both games.

 

 

 

A lot of people were expecting that to be the means of training summoning and that's probably why a lot of people were disappointed. The solution is to not get your hopes up because if you didn't hope for the skill to be like that, you wouldn't mind this form of training.