Cosmetic Surgery

[Lenin64]

Well before you ever open your mouth about something you don't know, research. I'm not talking about your view on 'fairness' as relates to a beauty pageant, but I am talking about your nerve to talk bad about a minority you know nothing about. They don't brainwash themselves or others. Gender identity is a real psychological thing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think you mis-understood lenin on what he said (correct me if I'm wrong lenin).

 

 

 

He is not saying the fact that they are getting what they want (to look like a women) is an unfair advantage, more though the fact that they can make themselves almost perfect. Take it like this, he is saying it's like an athlete who takes steroids. They have an unfair advantage.

 

 

 

There is nothing wrong with this women getting what she wants, but as said before, if no plastic surgery is allowed, then so be it. If you enter a competition where everyone has a 'natural' beauty, yet you have been shaped like clay to perfection, how exactly is that fair?

 

Exactly. I wasn't talking about transexuality in general, just whether or not this person should be allowed to enter the competition based on existing rules.

[ClareJonsson]

 

 

 

I respect your opinion but please don't make it sound like getting a sex change is a noble thing to do.

 

What has nobility got to do with it? I am saying for some people it is the RIGHT thing to do! The alternative is generally suicide, and I am deadly serious about that.

[Kenshinjapan]

 

 

 

I respect your opinion but please don't make it sound like getting a sex change is a noble thing to do.

 

What has nobility got to do with it? I am saying for some people it is the RIGHT thing to do! The alternative is generally suicide, and I am deadly serious about that.

 

 

 

I just think it's unnecessary to call a transsexual a brave person for getting an operation.

[ClareJonsson]

 

 

 

I respect your opinion but please don't make it sound like getting a sex change is a noble thing to do.

 

What has nobility got to do with it? I am saying for some people it is the RIGHT thing to do! The alternative is generally suicide, and I am deadly serious about that.

 

 

 

I just think it's unnecessary to call a transsexual a brave person for getting an operation.

 

Don't be silly, I was not referring to the surgery alone, you have absolutely no idea do you. And thanks to ignorance like this is what creates all the stigma.

 

 

 

Do you honestly think that it's a case of a little operation and hey presto you're a girl? jeez!

[The Dark Lord]

I am a member of a major and well-respected transgender site. On their forums, I help transgender teenagers and adults get through some issues. You don't have to be transgender to be a part of that site. I'm just an ally that's there to offer advice.

 

 

 

Okay. 60 percent of the entire forums are dedicated to suicide, depression, homophobia/transphobia, eating disorders, drug abuse, alcoholism, spouse problems, abuse, etc.

 

 

 

It is no laughing matter. Many transgenders "come out of the closet" to their spouses and their spouses abandon them. Many resort to substance abuse and go through depression, usually suicidal in nature. Many also kill themselves simply because of being targets for hate and being disowned by society. Also there are some who are murdered or denied medical treatment when someone finds out they are transgender. It's a disturbing reality.

 

 

 

On Soulforce, which is mainly geared towards homosexuals, people talk about abuse and losing jobs just because of their sexual orientation. Just homophobia alone is dangerous enough to get people killed, lose jobs, or even lose their families. Transphobia is much, much more severe in nature and as a result, most transgenders kill themselves.

 

 

 

It's so disturbing that I don't see how people can throw around their right-wing propaganda and still consider themselves humans.

[warren211]

Reading through some of Clare's and Serepherus's posts, I have almost completely revised my views on transgenders. I had no idea it was an actual mental syndrome with that part of the brain thing. I just thought it was the person's choice because he/she thought the opposite sex was cooler :| . Now I'm sure there are transgenders out there who became one just because they had the urge, not because of the whole mind syndrome thing. Those people I still disagree on their views. Those kinds of people are the people who bring people suffering with the mental syndrome a bad name. However, if it helps stop your unhappiness in life, stops you from contemplating/attempting suicide, and makes you more positive in general and helps you cope with your disorder, I say why not?

[ClareJonsson]

Reading through some of Clare's and Serepherus's posts, I have almost completely revised my views on transgenders. I had no idea it was an actual mental syndrome with that part of the brain thing. I just thought it was the person's choice because he/she thought the opposite sex was cooler :| . Now I'm sure there are transgenders out there who became one just because they had the urge, not because of the whole mind syndrome thing. Those people I still disagree on their views. Those kinds of people are the people who bring people suffering with the mental syndrome a bad name. However, if it helps stop your unhappiness in life, stops you from contemplating/attempting suicide, and makes you more positive in general and helps you cope with your disorder, I say why not?

 

You still don't get it, TS's don't become TS, they are born that way. It is in no way a life choice. No real TS wants this to happen to them, and if there was a way to change the gender of the brain to match the body then that would obviously be a better solution than changing ones physical makeup to match the brain, but as yet that's impossible, you cannot change the brain.

[reaper88888]

I have the same view on having cosmetic surgery or transgender surgery as I do on driving an SUV, going to a private school, attending religous ceremonies, collecting stamps, watching the Ice Capades, smoking weed, suicide, driving drunk, living in California, being a member of PETA, surfing, drinking Pepsi and going to Las Vegas.

 

 

 

I won't do it, but I don't really care if someone else does. Unless I were to be doused in gasoline and set on fire or something, then I think I'd want skin grafts or something. (Although living my life with those scars would be interesting, assuming I survived...)

[Ginger_Warrior]

I remain to be convinced by the claim that all TSs are born with a mental disorder. I also fail to see the difference in a TS being born with a mental disorder, and a homosexual being born with a mental disorder that causes them to be gay. In that, I'm not saying there's a connection between the two. However, if homosexuals aren't gay due to a mental disorder, why is someone a TS because of a disorder?

 

 

 

I accept there may be some genetic disorder which alters the balance of sex-determining hormones (since such hormones are proteins and are thus dependent on the genetics of the person involved), but I have personally seen no evidence to suggest TSs have a mental disorder that causes them to act like the opposite sex, and further to this, that they were born with such a condition.

[loi86]

If he/she looks like a woman that good then sure.