The Offical TIF American Elections thread

[magekillr]

Just because we were wrong going in doesn't mean we should withdraw. A year and a half ago when the violence was near the highest it had been should we have said "oh we shouldn't be here anyway lets just leave the Iraqis at the mercy of Iran, and Al Qaida". That is exactly what Obama and his buddies Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid wanted to do. Harry Reid even said that the war was "lost" How he is still Senate majority leader I have no idea. He should have been censured at the very least.

 

 

 

The surge was the cause for the decrease in violence? Or was it Ethnic Cleansing?

 

 

 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080919/sc_ ... _lights_dc

 

 

 

I always knew that there were masses of people who were migrating in order to get away from the violence, but I wasn't aware that they were being forced to move and then killed if they didn't comply.

 

 

 

edit 2: Of course this has been going on since 2007, and this is one reason I will never admit the surge has "worked".

[Lenticular_J]

Right now would be -present-. Perhaps long term does not mean the same thing, eh?

 

 

 

Well, obviously. I hope you don't take me for a fool :P.

 

 

 

I'm saying that right now I see a whole lot of bad, and I cannot forsee anything good for the American citizens coming in the long run.

 

'Course not for the citizens, for the government.

 

 

 

Which government? How could it possibly be good for our government? The war is costing us billions of dollars; how on Earth will this EVER be seen as a good thing?

 

 

 

It's not even like we're making friends; the whole world hates us over this blunder.

 

You're Iran. You're making threats at the U.S. So is your neighbor. OOPS. Your neighbor just got invaded. [garden tool]-hum, what to do, what to do.

[magekillr]

Right now would be -present-. Perhaps long term does not mean the same thing, eh?

 

 

 

Well, obviously. I hope you don't take me for a fool :P.

 

 

 

I'm saying that right now I see a whole lot of bad, and I cannot forsee anything good for the American citizens coming in the long run.

 

'Course not for the citizens, for the government.

 

 

 

Which government? How could it possibly be good for our government? The war is costing us billions of dollars; how on Earth will this EVER be seen as a good thing?

 

 

 

It's not even like we're making friends; the whole world hates us over this blunder.

 

You're Iran. You're making threats at the U.S. So is your neighbor. OOPS. Your neighbor just got invaded. [garden tool]-hum, what to do, what to do.

 

 

 

Iran is not a threat to the United States, and they never were.

[Lenticular_J]

Hardly anyone's a threat to our country. Plausibly nobody is. But it's useful for politicians to do this sort of thing.

[jackattack]

No it was the surge. Along with the sunni awakening which probably wouldn't have happened without the surge.

[magekillr]

No it was the surge. Along with the sunni awakening which probably wouldn't have happened without the surge.

 

 

 

Wow, I give up. You're in Republican Loser Denial.

[jackattack]

No you are an Obama apologist. Ethnic cleansing doesn't account for the gains across the country like in Al Anbar province. Not to mention it says the population shift would have cause a decline in sectarian violence. Attacks on the troops are down as well.

[NoMoreDead]

No you are an Obama apologist. Ethnic cleansing doesn't account for the gains across the country like in Al Anbar province. Not to mention it says the population shift would have cause a decline in sectarian violence. Attacks on the troops are down as well.

 

 

 

Casualties:

 

Since war began (3/19/03): 4168

 

Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03) 4029

 

Since Capture of Saddam (12/13/03): 3707

 

 

 

4168 dead. What good has come of it? Are we not more scared than ever? Isn't our economy in shambles? Are we not struggling daily with the losses of not only TRILLIONS of dollars, but millions of man hours spent outside our country, and thousands dead. When is enough finally enough?

[jackattack]

Trillions of dollars? Enough dramatics.

[Bobbington]

I believe I heard the figure of $5,000 a second is the cost of the war for america.

[NoMoreDead]

Trillions of dollars? Enough dramatics.

 

 

 

It's good to see that your rebuttal is five words long which, once again, show me that you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

 

 

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/WhosCo ... 304&page=1

 

 

 

And just for fun, I'm going to watch this song dedicated to this very subject:

 

[magekillr]

Hey look, Republicans trying to disenfranchise college voters:

 

 

 

https://www7.hsmv.state.fl.us/VirtualOf ... /lobby.jsp

 

 

 

It only affects voters who registered from the 8th of September and on, but it's ridiculous. Outright ridiculous. I wonder what happens if you don't have a voter registration card; not many people do. Perhaps a piece of mail will suffice :)

[megakiller32]

You know, i just googled Gene Amondson on the Prohibition party, and what's funny is that

 

A) He sounds drunk, despite his main cause being against alcohol

 

B) He has the most ameteurist video of all time boosting himself

 

C) He clearly knows nothing about history and why the original prohibition failed

 

and finally D) At the end, the way he says "Ah need your vote!" Is so pathetic and desperate, as if he knows NOBODY will vote for him.

[Ginger_Warrior]

I believe I heard the figure of $5,000 a second is the cost of the war for america.

 

And yet, compulsory national healthcare would cost too much, and Hillary's a stupid [wagon] for even coming up with such a strange concept.

[magekillr]

From April 2000, on CNN:

 

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITIC ... mccain.sc/

 

 

 

Excerpt: When asked by a reporter how he felt about the Confederate flag during a January 12 campaign event, McCain replied: "Personally, I see the flag as symbol of heritage."

 

 

 

The Arizona senator expressed regret for that stance on Wednesday, telling the audience of Republicans: "I feared that if I answered honestly, I could not win the South Carolina primary. So I chose to compromise my principles."

 

 

 

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So McCain, is the German inverted Swastika a form of German Heritage too?

 

 

 

Jeez, if he's selling out on crap like this, what else will he sell out on, or has he sold out on already....and what about when he is in office?

[dangeresque]

I wish McCain and Obama could be president to be honest :.

[Quoi_Tu]

I wish pre-2004 McCain and Obama could be president to be honest :.

 

 

 

That's better.

[Hoobs]

McCain, I don't trust Obama.

[jackattack]

From April 2000, on CNN:

 

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITIC ... mccain.sc/

 

 

 

Excerpt: When asked by a reporter how he felt about the Confederate flag during a January 12 campaign event, McCain replied: "Personally, I see the flag as symbol of heritage."

 

 

 

The Arizona senator expressed regret for that stance on Wednesday, telling the audience of Republicans: "I feared that if I answered honestly, I could not win the South Carolina primary. So I chose to compromise my principles."

 

 

 

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So McCain, is the German inverted Swastika a form of German Heritage too?

 

 

 

Jeez, if he's selling out on crap like this, what else will he sell out on, or has he sold out on already....and what about when he is in office?

 

 

 

This is how old? If Obama is willing to sell out his pastor of 20 years, the man who married him, baptized his children and lead him to God over nothing what else will he sell out on, or has he sold out on already.... and what about when he is in office?

[magekillr]

 

This is how old? If Obama is willing to sell out his pastor of 20 years, the man who married him, baptized his children and lead him to God over nothing what else will he sell out on, or has he sold out on already.... and what about when he is in office?

 

 

 

He didn't sell him out, he tried a reasoned approach the first time and the guy just went bonkers.

 

 

 

This is real leadership:

 

 

 

Obama Picks Up Phone on Economy

 

 

 

September 21, 2008 6:35 PM

 

 

 

ABC's Sunlen Miller reports: Since yesterday, Sen. Barack Obama has spoken on the phone with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, Senate Banking Committee chairman Chris Dodd, Rep. Barney Frank, Sen. Chuck Schumer, Rep. Ralph Emmanuel, former President Bill Clinton and Sen. Hillary Clinton about the economic situation and the plan for dealing with it.

 

 

 

Spokesperson Linda Douglass says that the conversations were about devising a "quick, bipartisan solution" to the economic crisis and they touched on the principles that Obama laid out in a speech in Charlotte, N.C., today.

 

 

 

"As of now, the Bush administration has only offered a concept with a staggering price tag, not a plan," Obama said. "Even if the U.S. Treasury recovers some or most of its investment over time, this initial outlay of up to $700 billion is sobering. And in return for their support, the American people must be assured that the deal reflects the basic principles of transparency, and fairness, and reform. We cant allow this to happen again. They have run this government, they have run this economy into the ground. Weve got to make sure that we lift if back up, but weve got to have some rules in place to make sure it doesnt happen again."

 

 

 

Obama set out seven principles (several of which he has regularly mentioned on the campaign trail) for what he would like to see included in the government's bailout plan.

 

 

 

o No blank check. If we grant the Treasury broad authority to address the immediate crisis, we must insist on independent accountability and oversight. Given the breach of trust we have seen and the magnitude of the taxpayer money involved, there can be no blank check.

 

 

 

o Rescue requires mutual responsibility. As taxpayers are asked to take extraordinary steps to protect our financial system, it is only appropriate to expect those institutions that benefit to help protect American homeowners and the American economy. We cannot underwrite continued irresponsibility, where CEOs cash in and our regulators look the other way. We cannot abet and reward the unconscionable practices that triggered this crisis. We have to end them.

 

 

 

o Taxpayers should be protected. This should not be a handout to Wall Street. It should be structured in a way that maximizes the ability of taxpayers to recoup their investment. Going forward, we need to make sure that the institutions that benefit from financial insurance also bear the cost of that insurance.

 

 

 

o Help homeowners stay in their homes. This crisis started with homeowners and they bear the brunt of the nearly unprecedented collapse in housing prices. We cannot have a plan for Wall Street banks that does not help homeowners stay in their homes and help distressed communities.

 

 

 

o A global response. As I said on Friday, this is a global financial crisis and it requires a global solution. The United States must lead, but we must also insist that other nations, who have a huge stake in the outcome, join us in helping to secure the financial markets.

 

 

 

o Main Street, not just Wall Street. The American people need to know that we feel as great a sense of urgency about the emergency on Main Street as we do the emergency on Wall Street. That is why I call on Senator McCain, President Bush, Republicans and Democrats to join me in supporting an emergency economic plan for working families a plan that would help folks cope with rising gas and food prices, save one million jobs through rebuilding our schools and roads, help states and cities avoid painful budget cuts and tax increases, help homeowners stay in their homes, and provide retooling assistance to help ensure that the fuel-efficient cars of the future are built in America.

 

 

 

o Build a regulatory structure for the 21st Century. While there is not time in a week to remake our regulatory structure to prevent abuses in the future, we should commit ourselves to the kind of reforms I have been advocating for several years. We need new rules of the road for the 21st Century economy, together with the means and willingness to enforce them.

 

 

 

Let me guess, he's just not specific enough, right?

[jackattack]

 

This is how old? If Obama is willing to sell out his pastor of 20 years, the man who married him, baptized his children and lead him to God over nothing what else will he sell out on, or has he sold out on already.... and what about when he is in office?

 

 

 

He didn't sell him out, he tried a reasoned approach the first time and the guy just went bonkers.

 

 

 

 

He totally sold him out. Wright didn't go bonkers. At that interview he didn't say anything new from what he had already said except for that Obama was a politician and was only condemning his statements for political gain. I recall Obama saying that he could no more distance himself from wright than he could the black community. Well so long black community! Hello White House!

 

 

 

And who has the real economic plan?

 

 

 

[hide=economists who endorse McCain's economic plan]Burton Abrams, University of Delaware

 

James D. Adams, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute

 

Douglas K. Adie, Ohio University

 

Richard Agnello, University of Delaware

 

William Albrecht, University of Iowa

 

Constantine Alexandrakis, University of Massachusetts at Dartmouth

 

William Alpert, University of Connecticut

 

Wayne Angell, Former Fed Governor

 

Fernando E. Alvarez, University of Chicago

 

Geoffrey T. Andron, Austin Community College

 

George R. Averitt, Purdue University North Central

 

Charles Baird, California State University, East Bay

 

Howard Beales, George W ashington University

 

Stacie E. Beck, University of Delaware

 

Gary Becker, University of Chicago

 

Donald Bellante, University of South Florida

 

Daniel K. Benjamin, Clemson University

 

John J. Bethune, Barton CollegeSanjai Bhagat, University of Colorado

 

Andrew G. Biggs, American Enterprise Institute

 

Robert G. Bise, Orange Coast College

 

Michael K. Block, University of Arizona

 

Donald Booth, Chapman University

 

Karl J. Borden, University of Nebraska

 

Michael Bordo, Rutgers University

 

George H. Borts, Brown University

 

Mich ael Boskin, Stanford University

 

Daniel P. Brandt III, Washington, D.C.

 

Ike Brannon, Department of the Treasury

 

David P. Brown, University of Wisconsin-Madison

 

Jeff Brown, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

 

Joseph Brusuelas, Merk Investments

 

Phillip J. Bryson, Brigham Young University

 

Andrzej Brzeski, University of California, Davis

 

James Buchanan, George Mason University

 

Todd Buchholz, Two Oceans Management

 

Richard Burdekin, Claremont McKenna College

 

Richard V. Burkhauser, Cornell University

 

James B. Burnham, Duquesne University

 

Andr ew B. Busch, BMO Capital Markets

 

James L. Butkiewicz, University of Delaware

 

Mark Calabria, United States Senate

 

James Carter, Vienna, VA

 

Don Chance, Louisiana State University

 

Barry R. Chiswick, University of Illinois at Chicago

 

Bhagwan Chowdhry, UCLA

 

Richard Clarida, Columbia University

 

Candice Clark, Economic consultant

 

Kenneth W. Clarkson, University of Miami

 

Warren Coats, IMF, retired

 

John Cogan, Hoover Institution

 

Boyd D. Collier, Tarleton State University

 

Michael Connolly, University of Miami

 

Kathleen B. Cooper, Southern Methodist University

 

Joshua Coval, Harvard University

 

Ted Covey, McLean, Virginia

 

Nicole Crain, Lafayette College

 

W. Mark Crain, Lafayette College

 

Dan Crippen, Former CBO Director

 

Thomas D. Crocker, University of Wyoming

 

Robert L. Crouch, University of California, Santa Barbara

 

Mario J. Crucini, Vanderbilt University

 

Ward S. Curran, Trinity College

 

Coldwell Daniel III, The University of Memphis

 

Antony Davies, Duquesne University

 

Steven Davis, University of Chicago

 

Clarence R. Deitsch, Ball State University

 

Richard DeKaser, National City Corporation

 

Stephen J. Dempsey, University of Vermont

 

Christopher DeMuth, American Enterprise Institute

 

David B.H. Denoon, New York University

 

William G. Dewald, Ohio State University

 

Arthur M. Diamond Jr., University of Nebraska at Omaha

 

John Diamond, Rice University

 

David L. [bleep]inson, Appalachian State University

 

Francis X. Diebold, University of Pennsylvania

 

Jeffrey H. Dorfman, University of Georgia

 

Thomas J. Duesterberg, Manufacturers Alliance/MAPI

 

Parnell Duverger, Broward Community College

 

Isaac Ehrlich, SUNY at Buffalo

 

Martin Eichenbaum, Northwestern University

 

Jeffrey A. Eisenach, Criterion Economics

 

Michael A. Ellis, Kent State University

 

Joachim G. Elterich, University of Delaware

 

Kenneth Elzinga, University of Virginia

 

Stephen J. Entin, Institute for Research on the Economics of Taxation

 

T.W. Epps, University of Virginia

 

Michael G. Erickson, The College of Idaho

 

Paul Evans, Ohio State University

 

Dino Falaschetti, Hoover Institution

 

Frank Falero Jr., California State University

 

Susan K. Feigenbaum, University of Missouri, St. Louis

 

Martin Feldstei n, Harvard University

 

Eric Fisher, California Polytechnic State University

 

Arthur A "Trey" Fleisher III, Metro State College of Denver

 

James Forcier, University of San Francisco

 

William F. Ford, Middle Tenn. State U.

 

Michele Fratianni, Indiana University

 

Luke Froeb, Vanderbilt University

 

Kenneth C. Froewiss, NYU Stern School of Business

 

Diana Furchtgott-Roth, Hudson Institute

 

Timothy S. Fuerst, Bowling Green State University

 

Lowell Gallaway, Ohio University

 

B Delworth Gardner, Brigham Young University

 

Dave Garthoff, The University of Akron

 

Ilhan K. Geckil, Anderson Economic Group

 

Rick Geddes, Cornell University

 

Joseph A. Giacalone, St. John's University

 

Adam Gifford, California State University, Northridge

 

David Gillette, Truman State University

 

Micha Gisser, University of New Mexico

 

Amy Jocelyn Glass, Texas A&M University

 

Charles J. Goetz, The University of Virginia

 

Claudio Gonzalez-Vega, The Ohio State University

 

Lawrence Goodman, Bergen City, NJ

 

Barry K. Goodwin, North Carolina State University

 

Eric S. Graber, Independent Economist

 

Douglas H. Graham, The Ohio State University

 

J. Edward Graham, University of North Carolina Wilmington

 

Phil Gramm, Former U.S. Senator

 

Teresa Beckham Gramm, Rhodes College

 

Wendy Lee Gramm

 

William B. Green, Sam Houston State University

 

Kenneth Greene, Binghamton University

 

Paul Gregory, University of Houston

 

Earl Grinols, Baylor University

 

Gary Hansen, UCLA

 

Eric Hanushek, Hoover Institution

 

Stephen Happel, Arizona State University

 

James E. Hartley, Mount Holyoke College

 

Kevin Hassett, American Enterprise Institute

 

Joel W. Hay, University of Southern California

 

Jared E. Hazleton, Texecon: A Texas Economic Consulting Firm

 

Charles E. Hegji, Auburn University Montgomery

 

Robert H. Heidt, Indiana University School of Law

 

Harold M. Hochman, CUNY Graduate Center and Lafayette College

 

Robert J. Hodrick, Columbia Business School

 

Stuart G. Hoffman, The PNC Financial Services Group

 

Arlene Holen, Washington, D.C.

 

Mac R. Holmes, Troy University

 

Douglas Holtz-Eakin, John McCain 2008

 

C. Thomas Howard, University of Denver

 

E. Philip Howrey, University of Michigan

 

Glenn Hubbard, Columbia University

 

James L. Huffman, Lewis & Clark Law School

 

J. Christopher Hughen, University of Denver

 

E. Kingdon Hurlock, Calvert Investment Counsel

 

Stephen L. Jackstadt, University of Alaska, Anchorage

 

Joseph M. Jadlow, Oklahoma State University

 

Sherry L Jarrell, Wake Forest University

 

Michael C. Jensen, Harvard Business School

 

Dennis A. Johnson, University of South Dakota

 

Shane A. Johnson, Texas A&M University

 

Richard Just, University of Maryland

 

Tim Kane, Washington, D.C.

 

Steven Kaplan, University of Chicago Graduate School of Business

 

Alexander Katkov, Johnson and Wales University

 

Melissa Kearney, University of Maryland

 

Joe Kennedy, Arlington, Virginia

 

Lawrence W. Kenny, University of Florida

 

Calvin A. Kent, Marshall University

 

E. Han Kim, University of Michigan

 

Robert G. King, Boston University

 

Paul R. Koch, Olivet Nazarene University

 

Meir Kohn, Dartmouth College

 

James W. Kolari, Texas A&M University

 

Roger C. Kormendi, Kormendi/Gardner Partners

 

Marvin Kosters, American Enterprise Institute

 

Robert Krol, California State University, Northridge

 

Anne Krueger, Johns Hopkins University

 

Deepak Lal, University of Cal ifornia, Los Angeles

 

Douglas Lamdin, The University of Maryland, Baltimore County

 

Daniel L Landau, University of Connecticut

 

Richard La Near, Missouri Southern State University

 

Nicholas A. Lash, Loyola University

 

Don R. Leet, California State University, Fresno

 

Norman B. Lefton, Southern Illinois University at Edwardsville

 

Tom Lehman, Indiana Wesleyan University

 

Thomas M. Lenard, Technology Policy Institute

 

Noreen E. Lephardt, Marquette University

 

Adam Lerrick, Carnegie Mellon University and the American Enterprise Institute

 

Philip I. Levy, American Enterprise Institute

 

W. Cris Lewis, Utah State University

 

Andrew Light, Liberty University

 

Jane Lillydahl, University of Colorado at Boulder

 

Zheng Liu, Emory University

 

Luis Locay, University of Miami

 

John R. Lott Jr., University of Maryland

 

Lawrence W. Lovik, Alabama Policy Institute

 

Robert Lucas, University of Chicago

 

John Lunn, Hope College

 

R. Ashley Lyman, University of Idaho

 

Paul W. MacAvoy, Yale School of Management

 

Glenn MacDonald, Washington University in St. Louis

 

John Makin, American Enterprise Institute

 

Burton Malkiel, Princeton University

 

David Malpass, Encima Global LLC

 

Michael Marlow, California Polytechnic State University

 

Donald J. Marshall, Consulting Engineer and Economist

 

Aparna Mathur, American Enterprise Institute

 

Timothy Matthews, Kennesaw State University

 

John Matsusaka, University of Southern California

 

Bennett McCallum, Carnegie Mellon University

 

Paul W. McCracken, University of Michigan

 

Martin C. McGuire, University of California-Irvine

 

W. Douglas McMillin, Louisiana State University

 

Roger Meiners, University of Texas - Arlington

 

Will Melick, Kenyon College

 

Allan Meltzer, Ca rnegie Mellon University

 

John Merrifield, University of Texas at San Antonio

 

Paul Merski, Independent Community Bankers of America

 

Jim Mietus, Great Falls, VA

 

Todd Milbourn, Washington University in St. Louis

 

Geoffrey P. Miller, New York University Law School

 

James Miller, George Mason University and The Hoover Institution

 

William C. Miller, Pioneer Analytics LLC

 

David E. Mills, University of Virginia

 

Velma Montoya, National Council of Hispanic Women

 

Michael Moore, George Washington University

 

Charles Britt Moss, University of Florida

 

Robert Mundell, Columbia University

 

Tim Muris, George Mason University

 

David B. Mustard, University of Georgia

 

Richard F. Muth, Emory University

 

Anthony N. Negbenebor, Gardner-Webb University

 

Charles Nelson, University of Washington

 

Robert J. Newman, Louisiana State University

 

Michael P. Niemira, International Council of Shopping Centers

 

Tom O'Brien, University of Connecticut

 

Lee E. Ohanian, UCLA

 

June O'Neill, Baruch College, CUNY

 

Steve Parente, University of Minnesota

 

Randall Parker, East Carolina University

 

Douglas Patterson, Virginia Tech

 

Tim Perri, Appalachian State University

 

Mark J. Perry, University of Michigan-Flint

 

Tomas Philipson, University of Chicago

 

William Poole, University of Delaware

 

Michael E. Porter, Harvard Business School

 

Barry Poulson, University of Colorado Boulder

 

James Prieger, Pepperdine University

 

R. David Ranson, H. C. Wainwrigth & Co. Economics Inc.

 

Richard Rawlins, Missouri Southern State University

 

Martin A. Regalia, Gaithersburg, Maryland

 

Barrie Richardson, Centenary College

 

Christine P. Ries, Georgia Institute of Technology

 

Aldona Robbins, Fiscal Associates

 

Gary Robbins, Fiscal Associates

 

Kenneth Rogoff, Harvard University

 

Richard Roll, UCLA

 

Harvey Rosen, Princeton University

 

Larry L. Ross, University of Alaska, Anchorage

 

Robert Rossana, Wayne State University

 

Timothy P. Roth, The University of Texas at El Paso

 

Charles Rowley, George Mason University

 

Paul H. Rubin, Emory University

 

Roy Ruffin, University of Houston

 

Gary J. Santoni, Ball State University

 

T.R. Saving, Texas A&M University

 

Mike Schuyler, Institute for Research on the Economics of Taxation

 

Anna Schwartz, National B ureau of Economic Research

 

Loren C. Scott, Louisiana State University

 

Robert Haney Scott, California State University, Chico

 

Carlos Seiglie, Rutgers University

 

Richard Selden, University of Virginia

 

John Semmens, Laissez Faire Institute

 

Sol S. Shalit, University of Wisconsin

 

Alan Shapiro, University of Southern California

 

Judy Shelton

 

William F. Shughart II, The University of Mississippi

 

George Shultz, Hoover Institution

 

Jerome Siebert, University of California, Berkeley

 

John Silvia, Wachovia

 

Chuck Skipton, University of Tampa

 

Scott B. Smart, Indiana University

 

Amy Smith, Former OMB Chief Economist

 

James F. Smith, The University of North Carolina

 

Vernon Smith, Chapman University

 

Sean M. Snaith, University of Central Florida

 

Douglas Southgate, Ohio State University

 

Frank Spreng, McKendree University

 

Beryl W. Sprinkel, Retired

 

Stan Spurlock, Mississippi State University

 

George J. Staller, Cornell University

 

Craig A. Stephenson, Babson College

 

Houston Stokes, University of Illinois at Chicago

 

Courtenay C. Stone, Ball State University

 

Scott Sumner , Bentley College

 

James Sweeney, Stanford University

 

Richard Sweeney, Georgetown University

 

Robert Tamura, Clemson University

 

Clifford Tan, Stanford Center for International Development

 

John A. Tatom, Indiana State University

 

John Taylor, Stanford University

 

Paul Taylor, Vienna, VA

 

Teresa Tharp, Valencia Community College

 

Clifford F. Thies, Shenandoah University

 

Henry Thompson, Auburn University

 

Walter N. Thurman, North Carolina State University

 

Jerry G. Thursby, Georgia Institute of Technology

 

Robert D Tollison, Clemson University

 

William N. Trumbull, West Virginia University

 

Kamal Upadhyaya, University of New Haven

 

Charles W. Upton, Kent State University

 

Peter J Van Blokland, University of Florida

 

T. Norman Van Cott, Ball State University

 

Richard Vedder, American Enterprise Institute

 

George J. Viksnins, Georgetown University

 

J. Antonio Villamil, The Washington Economics Group

 

Richard E. Wagner, George Mason University

 

William B. Walstad, University of Nebraska-Lincoln

 

Murray Weidenbaum, Washington University in St. Louis

 

Marc D. Weidenmier, Claremont McKenna College

 

Finis We lch, Texas A&M University

 

James B. Whitaker, Centreville, VA

 

John Wicks, University of Montana

 

Wayne H. Winegarden, Arduin, Laffer & Moore Econometrics

 

Gary Wolfram, Hillsdale College

 

DeVo L. Yoho, Ball State University

 

Nancy A. Yonge, Smith Center for Private Enterprise

 

Paul J. Zak, Claremont Graduate University

 

Mokhlis Y. Zaki, Northern Michigan University

 

Mark Zandi, Malvern, PA

 

Arnold Zellner, University of Chicago

 

Kate Zhou, University of Hawaii

 

Joseph Zoric, Franciscan University of Steubenville

 

Benjamin Zycher, Manhattan Institute for Policy Research[/hide]

[magekillr]

"It's kind of hard to tell the average American that we are going to continue to have foreclosures that destabilize neighborhoods and deprive cities of revenue they need, but we're going to buy up the bad paper," Frank said on CBS' "Face the Nation."

 

 

 

Frank advocated higher taxes on people with income exceeding $1 million a year. And the idea that the deficit would force tax increases even made it across party lines.

 

 

 

"When we add an additional trillion dollars to the debt, the burden of the taxpayer, sooner or later there's got to be a reckoning," Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Ala., ranking member on the Senate Banking Committee, told "Face the Nation." "This is the mother of all bailouts."

 

http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/21/news/ec ... /index.htm

 

 

 

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Bi-Partisan support right here baby.

 

 

 

edit: Why does Palin get shielded in the debates if she's ready to stand up to Putin or Chavez?

 

 

 

McCain advisers said they had been concerned that a loose format could leave Ms. Palin, a relatively inexperienced debater, at a disadvantage and largely on the defensive.

 

 

 

At the insistence of the McCain campaign, the Oct. 2 debate between the Republican nominee for vice president, Gov. Sarah Palin, and her Democratic rival, Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr., will have shorter question-and-answer segments than those for the presidential nominees, the advisers said. There will also be much less opportunity for free-wheeling, direct exchanges between the running mate

[Ginger_Warrior]

You're both arguing over whether to have ham or pork for dinner (no pun intended in regards to the lipstick comments last week). Both of their policies are near enough the same. There's not really any radical differences between them.

 

 

 

They're both promising tax cuts, admittedly for different groups, which they can't afford because all the money's being spent on bailing the US banks out of the hole they're in.

 

 

 

This is capitalism. You do alright for about a decade, then it goes up in smoke and you enter a recession. This bailout won't do anything except delay the inevitable, and neither will Obama or McCain since they'll largely stay in the Status Quo when it comes to the economic system.

 

 

 

EDIT: On a more optimistic note, Obama is now around about where he was in the polls before the GOP Conference, and Palin's rather heartwarming, if incredibly annoying, speech.

[magekillr]

Hey, I'm ready for my taxes to be raised as a middle class citizen, but that would be political suicide in America. People here just don't understand that our taxes are incredibly low, and for what we do pay, we barely get any services. Obama and McCain both will inevitably raise the debt if they go through with their plans, McCain will raise it higher, though. The thing about America is, we need higher taxes AND we need to cut spending at the same time. Except...we really have virtually nothing to cut but our military...and no one is willing to pay higher taxes.

 

 

 

Such a financially irresponsible country...

 

 

 

The good thing is, we're great to invest in, so having a very high debt isn't THAT bad, but it should not be ignored.

 

 

 

I still say it's a good thing though, Ginger:

 

 

 

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article ... 68,00.html

 

 

 

edit: "Obama, not McCain, shows steady hand in Crisis": http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... r=politics

[Ginger_Warrior]

You can argue about raising taxes and, yes, America is a less taxed country than some in the EU.

 

 

 

However, this is the crucial bit.

 

 

 

This crisis was caused because of two things. Firstly, your ordinary person, who has to take out a mortgage for their house, borrowed way over the odds for houses they simply could not afford. Secondly, banks were allowed to lend money out irresponsibly in the first place. Last week was about confidence in the banking system, but it all has its roots in the sub-prime mortgage fiasco.

 

 

 

There is absolutely no way I should be allowed to borrow a sum of money five times greater than my salary for a house, or any other material item like a car, or a holiday. If it means I can't afford that house, tough - you do not need a $250K house to survive (especially not in a country as rich as America) - but financial responsibility had to improve, not only in America, but across the world.

 

 

 

If nationalisation, and becoming "French" is the way to improve that responsibility, I'll happily foot the bill on the promise that regulatory bodies will have more power to stop these ludicrous practises happening again.