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[Ravenkana]

As we all know, the long awaited dragon plate was released today as a reward from While Guthix Sleeps. However, to attain it, one requires level 99 smithing and the three broken pieces that make up the armor, hypothetically dropped by tormented demons. Or, alternatively, one could purchase it for 30 mil on the GE or junk trade it for vastly more.

 

 

 

But WHY, WHY in the name of whatever chosen deity you believe in, did Jagex release a cruddy piece of level 60 armor in this manner?!? It takes FAR less cash to get any Barrows set, superior to dragon in defence stats as well as providing a set bonus. You could buy two of the four godswords for 4-12 million less. Heck, you could buy full BANDOS and still have eight million left over. This ensures that no one will EVER use this platebody for ANYTHING other than a display of wealth.

 

 

 

Oh, sure, you might argue that given that this gives players what they've wanted for years, it is right and proper for plate to be released through such a difficult quest. But all I see is a broken balance. No game, whatever it is, should force a lower leveled armor to be completely out of reach of any who would actually use it for, you know, training. Heck, ALL dragon armor, aside from the boots, are skewed. Compared to the weapons, the most expensive of which is a paltry two hundred thousand, bar the largely useless two hander, the armor is ludicrously expensive. Heck, the only piece that's actually worth what it costs is the medium helm and that's only because of years of increased supply and the arrival of the full helm.

 

 

 

But all I'm doing is fuming in the ear of a deaf giant. Jagex decided this long ago with the release of the first dragon piece and have simply seen it out to the end. They've made our bed and so we're forced to sleep in it. With fewer players than have 99 cooking, fletching, and firemaking COMBINED being the only one's with access to the monsters that drop this new armor, and considering the armor is split in three requiring the subtle touch of a level 99 smith to reacquaint them, prices shall not fall in a dragonkin's age. In fact, they'll probably rise for the next few months, simply given the rarity and demand. But hey, what can ya do?

 

 

 

Edit: Added to the fact that the dragon chunks are gonna be rare drops, it appears tormented demons are going to be extremely difficult to solo.

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

Not going to argue that it was what players [like me] have wanted for years, but it was really the mistake of launching Barrows equipment. Instead of complaining that they've completely wrecked the set of Dragon forever, I'll rather suggest that they innovate to make it worth having (such as set effects, boosted stats, hardened defense bonuses, etc).

[Peronix]

Couldn't agree more. The only dragon items they did right were the ones that were sold in shops or are otherwise easily obtainable. The only boss monsters they did right were the ones that actually have unique drops (GWD, corp, DKs).

 

 

 

I mean c'mon. The KQ's drop: D chain and 2h. Bronze-Steel dragons: Dragon leggings. Miths: Dragon full helm. Chaos element: D2H. Rofl. Now these demons: Dragon plate pieces and claws. Dragon, dragon, dragon. Who really cares about it anymore. Every piece they end up releasing with a boss monster as a ridiculously rare drop ends up being so stupidly expensive for its usefulness that the only people you see wearing it are rich showoffs.

 

 

 

A lot of the useful dragon weapons had quest reqs, I don't see why they couldn't have made the armors and ect. buyable as a reward from quests. That would not only give you some incentive to quest, but then you'd actually see people using it as ARMOR instead of a status symbol (which by the way we have pleanty of. Rares, 3a, you name it). Or, ya' know, they could have just made dragon items drop at a more reasonable rate from bosses and give those bosses unique, useful, and very rare drops in addition.

[Randox]

Wearing Dragon sends a message: Look at me, I have so much money I can buy awsome looking armour. Basicly its a status symbol, a step down form 3rd age. Besides, if you use it enough, it is cheeper than a barrows set. Dragon armour is also very rare drop, and rarity combined with demand mean a high price. Of course now my dragon chainbody is worthless. I could have sold it and rebought it later, but I never planned to sell the thing anyways so I dont care.

[BloodArgon]

Same thing for party hats. Display of wealth.

 

 

 

Barrows came out and killed dragon when there wernt that many peices of the armor. So, any new dragon items they come out with still have to follow the relative stats of the other armor.

 

 

 

You cant do anything to fix it, except maybe nerf the barrows drop rate to make it more expensive, but, who wants that?

[Ravenkana]

Same thing for party hats. Display of wealth.

 

 

 

Barrows came out and killed dragon when there wernt that many peices of the armor. So, any new dragon items they come out with still have to follow the relative stats of the other armor.

 

 

 

You cant do anything to fix it, except maybe nerf the barrows drop rate to make it more expensive, but, who wants that?

But unlike party hats, dragon armor is intended to be used in combat. The reason why it was so expensive originally was that it WAS the best in game. But as time went on, other armor was released, better and often more easily obtained. Dragon armor is dropped from powerful monsters meant for groups. Barrows is dropped by relatively powerful monsters meant to be soloed. See where they went wrong? Dragon armor, unlike Party Hats, SHOULD be affordable to those with level 60 defense. That was what it was intended for.

[RSBDavid]

It is only the first couple of days. Just wait a week and it will go down.

[BloodArgon]

Same thing for party hats. Display of wealth.

 

 

 

Barrows came out and killed dragon when there wernt that many peices of the armor. So, any new dragon items they come out with still have to follow the relative stats of the other armor.

 

 

 

You cant do anything to fix it, except maybe nerf the barrows drop rate to make it more expensive, but, who wants that?

But unlike party hats, dragon armor is intended to be used in combat. The reason why it was so expensive originally was that it WAS the best in game. But as time went on, other armor was released, better and often more easily obtained. Dragon armor is dropped from powerful monsters meant for groups. Barrows is dropped by relatively powerful monsters meant to be soloed. See where they went wrong? Dragon armor, unlike Party Hats, SHOULD be affordable to those with level 60 defense. That was what it was intended for.

 

 

 

This can be applied to a lot of things.

 

Its all about the drop rate.

 

Third age is level 65 armor, yet it cost hundreds of millions.

 

Bandos is level 65 armor, yet it cost tens of millions.

 

Barrows is level 70 armor, yet it costs as low as 300k per piece.

 

 

 

So, according to the law of drop rates, dragon is going to be high.

[jimmyjames227]

Didnt read the full rant...

 

 

 

Dragon plate's price will drop soon like all dragon armour has. I remember when dragon med helm was 1.5 mil no its about 40k.

 

Once people get over it, it will become cheaper.

[Omali]

Dragon is a symbol of wealth despite cheaper, better alternatives? NO FREAKING WAY. Next thing you're going to tell me that party hats are expensive because they're rare. What will be next?

 

 

 

In other news: Scientists have determined that, yes, ursine mammals do void their bowels in sylvan environments.

 

 

 

We're making real breakthroughs here.

[Horatio666]

It was the same for the d chain, which incidentally is going to drop now

 

 

 

Anyway, if they want to waste their cash let them. They know its level 60 def armour, let them take the brunt

[l0l0lpur32]

Supply and demand

 

 

 

Get used to it - the price will probably drop by 60%+ in a few weeks when the people sad enough to waste billions on getting it on the first week are bored, and when more of them are in the RS economy.

[Ravenkana]

Dragon is a symbol of wealth despite cheaper, better alternatives? NO FREAKING WAY. Next thing you're going to tell me that party hats are expensive because they're rare. What will be next?

 

 

 

In other news: Scientists have determined that, yes, ursine mammals do void their bowels in sylvan environments.

 

 

 

We're making real breakthroughs here.

Well, what's next are scientists discovering that you are, in fact, a device used by many higher mammals, most notably chimps, humans, orangutans, and dolphins, as well as some avians, such as the common crow, to decrease energy expenditure in food collection and survival. See, I can do it too. And obviously you've never played a game where items are priced based on their stats and usefulness. Like in WoW or Warhammer. In these games, a low level is capable of purchasing decent armor for his level- it's not the high levels who purchase these items with the intent to fight with. Though it is a different situation, we see that Jagex may have intended something similar; when dragon was originally released, it was the best armor, and the low drop rates made perfect sense. And along came Barrows. This was caused by, more or less, a lack of foresight and was probably not intentional.

[Omali]

Dragon is a symbol of wealth despite cheaper, better alternatives? NO FREAKING WAY. Next thing you're going to tell me that party hats are expensive because they're rare. What will be next?

 

 

 

In other news: Scientists have determined that, yes, ursine mammals do void their bowels in sylvan environments.

 

 

 

We're making real breakthroughs here.

Well, what's next are scientists discovering that you are, in fact, a device used by many higher mammals, most notably chimps, humans, orangutans, and dolphins, as well as some avians, such as the common crow, to decrease energy expenditure in food collection and survival. See, I can do it too. And obviously you've never played a game where items are priced based on their stats and usefulness. Like in WoW or Warhammer. In these games, a low level is capable of purchasing decent armor for his level- it's not the high levels who purchase these items with the intent to fight with. Though it is a different situation, we see that Jagex may have intended something similar; when dragon was originally released, it was the best armor, and the low drop rates made perfect sense. And along came Barrows. This was caused by, more or less, a lack of foresight and was probably not intentional.

 

 

 

Translating my earlier statement into hurpaderp English: Yes, a bear does [cabbage] in the woods

 

 

 

I have played those games, and if you haven't noticed; Runescape isn't one of those games. Get over it, not all MMO's have to follow the same cookie-cutter following.

[Fairness]

Dragon is a symbol of wealth despite cheaper, better alternatives? NO FREAKING WAY. Next thing you're going to tell me that party hats are expensive because they're rare. What will be next?

 

 

 

In other news: Scientists have determined that, yes, ursine mammals do void their bowels in sylvan environments.

 

 

 

We're making real breakthroughs here.

Well, what's next are scientists discovering that you are, in fact, a device used by many higher mammals, most notably chimps, humans, orangutans, and dolphins, as well as some avians, such as the common crow, to decrease energy expenditure in food collection and survival. See, I can do it too. And obviously you've never played a game where items are priced based on their stats and usefulness. Like in WoW or Warhammer. In these games, a low level is capable of purchasing decent armor for his level- it's not the high levels who purchase these items with the intent to fight with. Though it is a different situation, we see that Jagex may have intended something similar; when dragon was originally released, it was the best armor, and the low drop rates made perfect sense. And along came Barrows. This was caused by, more or less, a lack of foresight and was probably not intentional.

 

 

 

Translating my earlier statement into hurpaderp English: Yes, a bear does [cabbage] in the woods

 

 

 

Pretentious =/= cool

 

 

 

 

 

 

That, however, is true. It pains me to see all the "but in [insert any other game] there is this and that and not here! RuneScape fails!"

[Tim_Tam_Tan_Tien]

Dragon has been a symbol of wealth for a long time, its striking red colour ,semi good defense stats and rarity in drops make it so.

 

 

 

See where they went wrong? Dragon armor, unlike Party Hats, SHOULD be affordable to those with level 60 defense. That was what it was intended for.

 

stereotyping by saying that lower levels are poor can easily change an argument, ive sen lvl 60's with enough money to buy multiple partyhats.

[Cheefoo]

Dragon armor, unlike Party Hats, SHOULD be affordable to those with level 60 defense. That was what it was intended for.

 

 

 

Using logic, dragon armor is difficult to obtain, expensive, and its defence is outclassed by much cheaper armor. So, using logic, that means it's NOT econo-wear dirt cheap armor. It's obviously meant to be a sign of status and wealth. I suppose it could work if someone only has 60 defence and is quite rich, but it's not intended for stats really.

 

 

 

If you use logic, you can figure out what something was intended for. If you don't, but try anyway, you sound pretty silly.

[Mico]

Dragon armour is like Armani today, nice looking and really really expensive, even though Fishbone can make quite better jeans :