Sleeping in 20 minute periods does not allow you to fall into a deep sleep and you will not be getting the rest you need. This is just a big failure.

 

 

 

 

 

This works, if you read the description in the hide tags you would see why, please read the whole thread.

 

 

 

 

I fail to believe you can condition your body to immediately enter REM sleep.

 

 

 

You may disagree, that's nice, its possible,however.

 

 

 

Could you please site some testimonials? I'd rather hear from people who have done it than a single person claiming faith in this. Saying "its possible" is not going to make me even consider changing my mind.

Click on the link to steve's blog, his testimonial for one.

Click on the link to steve's blog, his testimonial for one.

 

 

 

It's still not going to convert me to a believer.

Click on the link to steve's blog, his testimonial for one.

 

 

 

It's still not going to convert me to a believer.

 

If you aren't willing to at least read it then I implore you to stop posting here.

Click on the link to steve's blog, his testimonial for one.

 

 

 

It's still not going to convert me to a believer.

 

If you aren't willing to at least read it then I implore you to stop posting here.

 

 

 

You dare accuse me of not reading it? I did read through the initial post and I skimmed over the the post about "Day 90". I still think it's a load of crap.

Please cite some reasons.

Please cite some reasons.

 

 

 

1. If I were to take 20 minute nap, I would wake up feeling worse than not sleeping.

 

2. I fail to believe you can "train" yourself to immediately enter REM sleep.

 

3. It's proven that people need an average of 8 hours of sleep and more as you get older. Couple this is my disbelief of immediately entering REM sleep and I see long term problems.

I like it. I think I'll use it over summer and breaks and stuff.

 

 

 

Have a little trouble doing it during school, though. And I'm a little leery of this.

Please cite some reasons.

 

 

 

1. If I were to take 20 minute nap, I would wake up feeling worse than not sleeping.

 

2. I fail to believe you can "train" yourself to immediately enter REM sleep.

 

3. It's proven that people need an average of 8 hours of sleep and more as you get older. Couple this is my disbelief of immediately entering REM sleep and I see long term problems.

 

You wouldn't feel worse if you adhered to take 6 naps a day(nothing more) for a week. For the first week you would feel worse. I don't understand your second reason, its not training, your brain needs rem sleep after a while so it eventually learns to get rem sleep when it can, which is during your 6 naps a day. As for the 3rd point, that isn't true at all, when I'm 1 I need 12+ hours of sleep per day, when I'm 30 I only need 8 sleeping monophasically. You need these 8 hours because you go through a hour or so of sleep before ou enter rem, this removes these useless hours.

It seems interesting, I'd probably try it if I wasn't in school.

Pseudoscience? I think so.

 

 

 

Give me scientific trials or it's just an infomercial on the same level as those gold magnets that make you quit smoking. If this was really such a profound discovery there would be serious research into it. So far, all I've seen is pseudoscience.

Pseudoscience? I think so.

 

 

 

Give me scientific trials or it's just an infomercial on the same level as those gold magnets that make you quit smoking. If this was really such a profound discovery there would be serious research into it. So far, all I've seen is pseudoscience.

 

It was a profound discovery, when it was discovered. This is a cycle used by many animals, it isn't a huge leap to believe humans could do it too.

Pseudoscience? I think so.

 

 

 

Give me scientific trials or it's just an infomercial on the same level as those gold magnets that make you quit smoking. If this was really such a profound discovery there would be serious research into it. So far, all I've seen is pseudoscience.

 

It was a profound discovery, when it was discovered. This is a cycle used by many animals, it isn't a huge leap to believe humans could do it too.

 

Judging from your not responding to the trials bit, I'll treat it as an infomercial. Pseudoscience.

 

 

 

Just because an animal can do it, doesn't mean we can.

What do you want me to do? This is a viable alternative to normal sleep, as for trials, it isn't being clinically tested as far as I know. The best "test" results I can give you is that a polyphasic sleeper got a full workup and was given a clean bill of health, the only abnormal thing was a minor decline in liver function, this was attributed to his age.

What do you want me to do? This is a viable alternative to normal sleep, as for trials, it isn't being clinically tested as far as I know. The best "test" results I can give you is that a polyphasic sleeper got a full workup and was given a clean bill of health, the only abnormal thing was a minor decline in liver function, this was attributed to his age.

 

I want you to change the claim to "potential alternative." The point being you do not know that it can readily replace normal sleep. It is interesting and may be possible, but not validated. What you're claiming is along the same line as many natural Chinese herbs that supposedly cure cancer; unvalidated and usually false.

What do you want me to do? This is a viable alternative to normal sleep, as for trials, it isn't being clinically tested as far as I know. The best "test" results I can give you is that a polyphasic sleeper got a full workup and was given a clean bill of health, the only abnormal thing was a minor decline in liver function, this was attributed to his age.

 

I want you to change the claim to "potential alternative." The point being you do not know that it can readily replace normal sleep. It is interesting and may be possible, but not validated. What you're claiming is along the same line as many natural Chinese herbs that supposedly cure cancer; unvalidated and usually false.

 

I do know it can readily replace sleep, I don't know if the effects are negative in the long run. How do I know? There are many people who have gotten this to work. Furthermore, you yourself have altered your sleep pattern, you ARE able to change the pattern you sleep in.

What do you want me to do? This is a viable alternative to normal sleep, as for trials, it isn't being clinically tested as far as I know. The best "test" results I can give you is that a polyphasic sleeper got a full workup and was given a clean bill of health, the only abnormal thing was a minor decline in liver function, this was attributed to his age.

 

I want you to change the claim to "potential alternative." The point being you do not know that it can readily replace normal sleep. It is interesting and may be possible, but not validated. What you're claiming is along the same line as many natural Chinese herbs that supposedly cure cancer; unvalidated and usually false.

 

I do know it can readily replace sleep, I don't know if the effects are negative in the long run. How do I know? There are many people who have gotten this to work. Furthermore, you yourself have altered your sleep pattern, you ARE able to change the pattern you sleep in.

 

Let me rephrase then, readily replace sleep in either a neutral or beneficial manner that continues to work in the long run in the average person. Stupid semantics.

What do you want me to do? This is a viable alternative to normal sleep, as for trials, it isn't being clinically tested as far as I know. The best "test" results I can give you is that a polyphasic sleeper got a full workup and was given a clean bill of health, the only abnormal thing was a minor decline in liver function, this was attributed to his age.

 

I want you to change the claim to "potential alternative." The point being you do not know that it can readily replace normal sleep. It is interesting and may be possible, but not validated. What you're claiming is along the same line as many natural Chinese herbs that supposedly cure cancer; unvalidated and usually false.

 

I do know it can readily replace sleep, I don't know if the effects are negative in the long run. How do I know? There are many people who have gotten this to work. Furthermore, you yourself have altered your sleep pattern, you ARE able to change the pattern you sleep in.

 

Care to link us to documented scientific proof? If many people have gotten it to work there must be some.

I think I'll just stick to my regular 8 Hour sleeep then resort to only 2 hours sleep :| I don't think sleep is a waste of time so...

 

 

 

Sleep's a very nice retreat from the world. I'll stick to my 8 hours like this guy.

What do you want me to do? This is a viable alternative to normal sleep, as for trials, it isn't being clinically tested as far as I know. The best "test" results I can give you is that a polyphasic sleeper got a full workup and was given a clean bill of health, the only abnormal thing was a minor decline in liver function, this was attributed to his age.

 

I want you to change the claim to "potential alternative." The point being you do not know that it can readily replace normal sleep. It is interesting and may be possible, but not validated. What you're claiming is along the same line as many natural Chinese herbs that supposedly cure cancer; unvalidated and usually false.

 

I do know it can readily replace sleep, I don't know if the effects are negative in the long run. How do I know? There are many people who have gotten this to work. Furthermore, you yourself have altered your sleep pattern, you ARE able to change the pattern you sleep in.

 

Let me rephrase then, readily replace sleep in either a neutral or beneficial manner that continues to work in the long run in the average person. Stupid semantics.

 

So far I've seen only positive effects,sorry.

 

 

 

As for scientific usage, look at the spanish,U.S, and Canadian Military units who use diphasic sleep sessions to increase their activity. I cannot find the actual military test reports,however.

 

 

 

Here's one test on sailors.

 

 

 

http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~content=a782431473~db=all

 

 

 

Another blogger

 

http://polyphasic.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2002-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00&updated-max=2003-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00&max-results=25

It looks to me to be something only for use under conditions where you can't get 8 hours of sleep, and trying to replace normal sleeping with polyphasic sleep to the extreme you claim is possible would be terrible for your health. But hey, even if it was safe and possible I wouldn't do it.

It looks to me to be something only for use under conditions where you can't get 8 hours of sleep, and trying to replace normal sleeping with polyphasic sleep to the extreme you claim is possible would be terrible for your health. But hey, even if it was safe and possible I wouldn't do it.

 

If you have a weakened immune system its bad for you, I have yet to see anyone with a terrible reaction to this.

It looks to me to be something only for use under conditions where you can't get 8 hours of sleep, and trying to replace normal sleeping with polyphasic sleep to the extreme you claim is possible would be terrible for your health. But hey, even if it was safe and possible I wouldn't do it.

 

If you have a weakened immune system its bad for you, I have yet to see anyone with a terrible reaction to this.

 

So you know people who have done this?

It looks to me to be something only for use under conditions where you can't get 8 hours of sleep, and trying to replace normal sleeping with polyphasic sleep to the extreme you claim is possible would be terrible for your health. But hey, even if it was safe and possible I wouldn't do it.

 

If you have a weakened immune system its bad for you, I have yet to see anyone with a terrible reaction to this.

 

So you know people who have done this?

 

Yes, the only troubles they have experienced is lack of things to do at the dead ends of the night, becoming extremely tired if they miss a nap, and a few problems switching back to monophasic sleep.

Ok, I'll believe it can be done. How were they able to get into that sleep schedule though? It doesn't seem like something that you could just one day decide you were going to do. I know it takes me more than 20 minutes just to fall asleep most of the time and I always feel worse after short periods of sleep.