Tanks are over powered.

[Hubs]

If range tanks are over powered, you should make on yourself! Then, you'd be overpowered! It's not that hard:

 

 

 

1) Take your lvl 3-10 main.

 

2) Start training your favorite combat skills: Ranged, Magic, and Def.

 

3) Keep training those skills you love 'til you're maxed.

 

 

 

Voila, you have your very own overpowered range tank, that's also your main. (Hey, that's what I did).

 

 

 

Now you have no need to be on the rants forum.

[3hitm4g3u]

If I received the magic experience from wind strike every time i've downed a tank I'd have 99 magic.

 

 

 

 

1 Def pures fail at levels 85+, due to other players being smart enough to know Def is a must at high levels. Sure, your little pure might own in the low level crater, but after that it becomes obsolete.

 

 

 

 

I own ANY non pure my level.

 

 

 

And I regularly see maxed tanks get downed by mith lords, zerker pkers and even addy daddys ;) .

[compfreak847]

If I received the magic experience from wind strike every time i've downed a tank I'd have 99 magic.

 

 

 

 

1 Def pures fail at levels 85+, due to other players being smart enough to know Def is a must at high levels. Sure, your little pure might own in the low level crater, but after that it becomes obsolete.

 

 

 

 

I own ANY non pure my level.

 

 

 

And I regularly see maxed tanks get downed by mith lords, zerker pkers and even addy daddys ;) .

 

You'll last maybe 4 hits by a range tank. Hitting an average of 24ish per shot, you'll be hit at a faster rate then constant guzzling of sharks can counter.

[3hitm4g3u]

If I received the magic experience from wind strike every time i've downed a tank I'd have 99 magic.

 

 

 

 

1 Def pures fail at levels 85+, due to other players being smart enough to know Def is a must at high levels. Sure, your little pure might own in the low level crater, but after that it becomes obsolete.

 

 

 

 

I own ANY non pure my level.

 

 

 

And I regularly see maxed tanks get downed by mith lords, zerker pkers and even addy daddys ;) .

 

You'll last maybe 4 hits by a range tank. Hitting an average of 24ish per shot, you'll be hit at a faster rate then constant guzzling of sharks can counter.

 

 

 

I devastate tanks.

 

 

 

They're a good source of income for me.

 

 

 

On pen and paper, yeah, they sound ownage. Omg they got gud defence and offence they must own.

 

 

 

But when it comes to pking they don't.

 

 

 

My clan leader (Maxed initiate pure, 100 combat) cuts through their defence like butter.

 

 

 

The only times I get downed in pvp worlds is by other high level pures.

 

 

 

As an additional note, with the introduction of corrupt statius (more defence bonus then barrows 20 def req) initiate pures have become alot more deadly in pvp worlds.

 

 

 

Heres a video of Bonesaw Pk (maxed init) using it, about halfway in.

 

 

 

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7xdRhhv6F2I

[compfreak847]

I couldn't find the spot where he fights a range tank, but I didn't have much time; what's the minute\second on it?

 

 

 

My point is 99 range is going to hit 1 defence MUCH faster then it can eat, period. So there's really not much hope of a decent fight; even at 45 defence, 99 range can hit almost as fast as sharks can be eaten.

[3hitm4g3u]

I couldn't find the spot where he fights a range tank, but I didn't have much time; what's the minute\second on it?

 

 

 

My point is 99 range is going to hit 1 defence MUCH faster then it can eat, period. So there's really not much hope of a decent fight; even at 45 defence, 99 range can hit almost as fast as sharks can be eaten.

 

 

 

The video was more for the use of statius by init pures then downing tank rangers. He does kill a tank ranger and then a maxed level 113 barrows pker after at 5:30 though. If you want to see pures killing tanks just look at one of I pk mods I (11 defence) videos, he always has a healthy supply of them.

 

 

 

The tanks defence isn't as godly as you think. They'll be eating alot as well.

[compfreak847]

I'm not talking about the tanks defence, though 99 defence and +300 slash will mean mostly zeros with maxed stats. What I'm talking about is offensive power - a 1 defence pure cannot eat as fast as a 99 ranger can hit. There's no way they're going to win; at 45 defence they can barely attack through the food! It takes a skilled PKer who knows the Karmbowein trick to counter it, and even then they're going to run out of food very, very fast. Vengance also plays a huge role, especially with the godsworders; the less often they hit on 99 defence, the better vengance will do.

[DreamReaper]

Compfreak, you're constantly nattering on about how 99 ranged will decimate 45 defence; where's your 45 defence? Oh, and don't give me some bullcrap answer like: "It's obvious that 99 ranged will destroy 99 defence because 45 defence is low and has horrible armor in terms of defence bonus".

 

 

 

The typical rune pure set-up has around 180-185 ranged defence, the typical tank setup has about 193 slash defence. Yup, huge difference :roll: . Honestly, just about every tank welfares these days. The difference between the welfare and non-welfare setup is 59 defence points and 800k. No one's going to be willing to cough up 800k for 59 extra defence points when most of the time they die at least twice per day and can't even make the money back they lose on bolts from the kills. Oh,and where did you get this +300 slash defence from? The highest I could get was +298 and that was using a warrior ring and a dfs. Why the hell would you pk in those if you're ranging?

 

 

 

I'm going to say this once more - defence isn't going to help you if you die before you can wear your opponent's food out. At 99 defence you can still get killed by a 60+ ags special, a double 30 dds special, and quite easily by 2 decent d claw specials. They don't even have to be close to the max hit to decimate you. Oh, and rune pures have vengeance too. Remember that next time you bring up the fact you can hit 60's with the rune crossbow.

 

 

 

Please, all this theory stuff you're saying here is great, but it's blatantly incorrect. Go get some real experiences instead of relying on what would be logical. The logical isn't always true.

[compfreak847]

Compfreak, you're constantly nattering on about how 99 ranged will decimate 45 defence; where's your 45 defence? Oh, and don't give me some bullcrap answer like: "It's obvious that 99 ranged will destroy 99 defence because 45 defence is low and has horrible armor in terms of defence bonus".

 

 

 

The typical rune pure set-up has around 180-185 ranged defence, the typical tank setup has about 193 slash defence. Yup, huge difference :roll: . Honestly, just about every tank welfares these days. The difference between the welfare and non-welfare setup is 59 defence points and 800k. No one's going to be willing to cough up 800k for 59 extra defence points when most of the time they die at least twice per day and can't even make the money back they lose on bolts from the kills. Oh,and where did you get this +300 slash defence from? The highest I could get was +298 and that was using a warrior ring and a dfs. Why the hell would you pk in those if you're ranging?

 

 

 

I'm going to say this once more - defence isn't going to help you if you die before you can wear your opponent's food out. At 99 defence you can still get killed by a 60+ ags special, a double 30 dds special, and quite easily by 2 decent d claw specials. They don't even have to be close to the max hit to decimate you. Oh, and rune pures have vengeance too. Remember that next time you bring up the fact you can hit 60's with the rune crossbow.

 

 

 

Please, all this theory stuff you're saying here is great, but it's blatantly incorrect. Go get some real experiences instead of relying on what would be logical. The logical isn't always true.

 

How much exprience have you had with 95+ range on 45 defence? Oh wait, none. I've had a few hundred hours. How much experience have you had with 99 defence tank ranging? Oh wait, none. Go get some real experiences instead of blatantly ignoring the facts. 99 range can and will pick apart 45 defence with any decent outfit. 99 defence will deflect AGS attacks 50%+ of the time. I would know, I've spent the last 2 hours at clan wars testing out AGS, with over 200 specs so far, plus dozens, if not hundreds, of hours of previous testing.

[3hitm4g3u]

I'm not talking about the tanks defence, though 99 defence and +300 slash will mean mostly zeros with maxed stats. What I'm talking about is offensive power - a 1 defence pure cannot eat as fast as a 99 ranger can hit. There's no way they're going to win; at 45 defence they can barely attack through the food! It takes a skilled PKer who knows the Karmbowein trick to counter it, and even then they're going to run out of food very, very fast. Vengance also plays a huge role, especially with the godsworders; the less often they hit on 99 defence, the better vengance will do.

 

 

 

I see people with 99 ranged (talking about non-tanks here) get downed regularly by 1 defence. The same offence is available to them as it is to 99 defence.

 

 

 

I know what you're trying to say. Let me assure you from first hand experience 1 defence can recover, and then destroy, 99 ranged.

 

 

 

Every decent pker knows the karambwean trick, it's no secret, and 99 attack and strength isn't constant zeros as you've been led to believe. Especially when 99 attack and strength goes with 45 defence.

 

 

 

Maybe in the safe pvp which you play 99 defence is godlike, I don't know, but when it comes to pking I see lower leveled tanks getting ripped by pures, with 1 defence, and maxed tanks getting ripped by pkers, with 45 defence, alot.

 

 

 

Clan wars is NOT similiar to pking. At all.

[DreamReaper]

Compfreak, you're constantly nattering on about how 99 ranged will decimate 45 defence; where's your 45 defence? Oh, and don't give me some bullcrap answer like: "It's obvious that 99 ranged will destroy 99 defence because 45 defence is low and has horrible armor in terms of defence bonus".

 

 

 

The typical rune pure set-up has around 180-185 ranged defence, the typical tank setup has about 193 slash defence. Yup, huge difference :roll: . Honestly, just about every tank welfares these days. The difference between the welfare and non-welfare setup is 59 defence points and 800k. No one's going to be willing to cough up 800k for 59 extra defence points when most of the time they die at least twice per day and can't even make the money back they lose on bolts from the kills. Oh,and where did you get this +300 slash defence from? The highest I could get was +298 and that was using a warrior ring and a dfs. Why the hell would you pk in those if you're ranging?

 

 

 

I'm going to say this once more - defence isn't going to help you if you die before you can wear your opponent's food out. At 99 defence you can still get killed by a 60+ ags special, a double 30 dds special, and quite easily by 2 decent d claw specials. They don't even have to be close to the max hit to decimate you. Oh, and rune pures have vengeance too. Remember that next time you bring up the fact you can hit 60's with the rune crossbow.

 

 

 

Please, all this theory stuff you're saying here is great, but it's blatantly incorrect. Go get some real experiences instead of relying on what would be logical. The logical isn't always true.

 

How much exprience have you had with 95+ range on 45 defence? Oh wait, none. I've had a few hundred hours. How much experience have you had with 99 defence tank ranging? Oh wait, none. Go get some real experiences instead of blatantly ignoring the facts. 99 range can and will pick apart 45 defence with any decent outfit. 99 defence will deflect AGS attacks 50%+ of the time. I would know, I've spent the last 2 hours at clan wars testing out AGS, with over 200 specs so far, plus dozens, if not hundreds, of hours of previous testing.

 

 

 

Yes, because rune pures always go to clan wars and fight pits and fight level 130's. Not many people bring food into either of those places and people generally bring the best gear they can afford which I can assuredly say they wouldn't do whilst pk'ing.

 

 

 

And how often will ranged get good hits on 45 defence? It's easy to eat through a few 20's, and I assume you see the pattern during combat - you hit a whole bunch of 0's and low numbers, then go on a huge string of good hits. If you're only hitting 20's and 30's, this isn't doing much good. The godsword, on the other hand, can easily kill even someone with 99 defence during this period of high hits using the special. Ranged can't finish people off; its high hits are too random.

 

 

 

Clan wars and fight pits=/=PvP worlds

[compfreak847]

I PK considerably too, along with every form of combat and every combat minigame, but I'm curious as to what your saying about clan wars. For testing during PKing I fight in the same outfit (rune\barrows, rune gloves, glory, rune boots, ring of recoil etc.) I do at BH. And armor doesn't even matter with range; a black d hide body is a black d hide body with rune crossbow and diamond bolts. 1 defence is going to be lucky to make it to the exit before dying. 45 defence isn't going to help much, and vengance will do the rest.

 

 

 

 

Yes, because rune pures always go to clan wars and fight pits and fight level 130's. Not many people bring food into either of those places and people generally bring the best gear they can afford which I can assuredly say they wouldn't do whilst pk'ing.

 

 

 

And how often will ranged get good hits on 45 defence? It's easy to eat through a few 20's, and I assume you see the pattern during combat - you hit a whole bunch of 0's and low numbers, then go on a huge string of good hits. If you're only hitting 20's and 30's, this isn't doing much good. The godsword, on the other hand, can easily kill even someone with 99 defence during this period of high hits using the special. Ranged can't finish people off; its high hits are too random.

 

 

 

Clan wars and fight pits=/=PvP worlds

 

What does combat level have to do with anything? 98 range and 99 defence are the same regardless of 110 or 130 combat. I bring the exact same gear I do to BH, sometimes with and sometimes without food. 45 defence is going to be hit around 60-75% of the time, with an average hit near 25-26 and a vengance when they do manage to hit. Ranges secret is regular, high hitting combat - it's not a KO weapon, but in a sense it's the essence of a good spec weapon, without the spec bar use.

[3hitm4g3u]

You can't bring statistics and percentages and all that [cabbage] into pking.

 

 

 

That's why you're not understanding; you're looking at pking in the same way you look at training, or safe pvp.

[compfreak847]

I'm wearing the same outfit and inventory in clan wars as BH when testing. Pray tell what part about BH makes my 98 range hit less, or my 99 defence absorb fewer hits?

[DreamReaper]

I'm wearing the same outfit and inventory in clan wars as BH when testing. Pray tell what part about BH makes my 98 range hit less, or my 99 defence absorb fewer hits?

 

 

 

In Clan Wars people don't usually bring food - that's the difference. And I believe your original position was about tanks vs. rune pures; not tanks vs. people with near maxed melee, such as you would be fighting in BH and Clan Wars.

[Ravenkana]

Tanks are powerful, that's because they're designed to be. There are tanks in every rpg available, it's a tactic.

 

But most tanks sacrifice offense for health and defense. They also can not heal by themselves and have little, if any, range capability. Range Tanks do not.

[nicrune007]

cannot eat as fast as a 99 ranger can hit.

 

 

 

Yes they can... look at how fast is the guy healing at the bonesaw video.

[compfreak847]

I'm wearing the same outfit and inventory in clan wars as BH when testing. Pray tell what part about BH makes my 98 range hit less, or my 99 defence absorb fewer hits?

 

 

 

In Clan Wars people don't usually bring food - that's the difference. And I believe your original position was about tanks vs. rune pures; not tanks vs. people with near maxed melee, such as you would be fighting in BH and Clan Wars.

 

I already told you, I frequently bring food and fight those with food. I fight mostly rune pures\1 defence pures, anyone near the 90-110 level that I would normally be fighting.

[Hubs]

 

 

 

BOTH are very hard to train, yet range gives to low levels. How is that possibly fair? melee is slower, (sometimes) weaker, and gives more COMBAT levels.

 

 

 

That makes so much sense to me now.

 

 

 

It does. Think of it this way:

 

 

 

At school, the majority of people do not enjoy studying. There are a few though, who do. In the future, those who enjoyed studying will be rewarded with a high paying job. Those who didn't would have a mediocre job. It's all about the choices you've made in the past.

 

 

 

In runescape, most mains start out dreaming about that dragon med helm. A few, however, decide they wanted to range. Despite being only able to hit 4's and meleers going "hahahahaha i has mith scim, nice noob bronze arrows", they continue to train. Once they are 80-90 cb, they are rewarded for their persistence and hard work. Mr. Mith Scimmy, who had decided to follow the crowd, ends up with an average account; useless at Pking. How did this happen? Because Mr. Mith Scimmy made poor choices "back in the day". He CHOSE to get his Str and Atk over a combined number of 147. The only one he has to blame is himself.

 

 

 

In real life, those who studied hard are rewarded. They are not brought down to the same level as the others. Why should't it be the same for Runescape?

 

 

 

 

My point is 99 range is going to hit 1 defence MUCH faster then it can eat, period. So there's really not much hope of a decent fight; even at 45 defence, 99 range can hit almost as fast as sharks can be eaten.

 

 

 

 

It's funny how melee can hit even faster than range on 1 def. Wonder why you didn't mention it. Oh, because D Claws can only hit 88 twice in 5 seconds? Or Dds can hit 90 4 times in.. 10 seconds? OR maybe a whip can hit, on average, 20-30's as fast as a Rune crossbow? Yeah, melee istotally useless against 1 def. 1 def owns melee.

 

 

 

Or maybe.. 1-45 just isnt good enough against, say 80 range or 80 attk? Because MAYBE 80>1-45?

[compfreak847]

 

It's funny how melee can hit even faster than range on 1 def. Wonder why you didn't mention it. Oh, because D Claws can only hit 88 twice in 5 seconds? Or Dds can hit 90 4 times in.. 10 seconds? OR maybe a whip can hit, on average, 20-30's as fast as a Rune crossbow? Yeah, melee istotally useless against 1 def. 1 def owns melee.

 

 

 

Or maybe.. 1-45 just isnt good enough against, say 80 range or 80 attk? Because MAYBE 80>1-45?

 

Unfortunately, the ranger doesn't have to have 1 defence - he can have 64 higher defence at the same combat level, turning PVP into mostly zeros against him, yet maintaining his tremendous offensive power.