Dragon Claws

[SirHartlar]

1. Do they have any use otuside of PvP?

 

 

 

2. When will they stop crashing and estimate of what price they will stabilise at?

[compfreak847]

They are used wherever AGS is, the special beats AGS and ags is only good for the spec.

 

 

 

They have already almost stopped crashing, street price is only a few tables. I don't see them going for under 40-50m; they are harder to get then AGS, yet more useful in every single situation.

[Lets_3ekout]

1. Boss hunting and there's no reason why not to use them in training. SGS spec might be more usefully while training though. A couple d claw'ers will rip down any boss very fast, I've heard of them being very good at W6 Bandos.

 

 

 

2. I estimate they'll go down to 20m and stabilise at 25m. It's anyone's guess, really. When you compare them to AGS, I think it would be strange for them to stay so much lower than AGS. There's good posibility they'll pick up to a similar market they had before the crash, though less intensive.

[The_dmt1234]

They are used wherever AGS is, the special beats AGS and ags is only good for the spec.

 

 

 

They have already almost stopped crashing, street price is only a few tables. I don't see them going for under 40-50m; they are harder to get then AGS, yet more useful in every single situation.

 

 

 

they're already down to 29m, how can they drop to 40-50m? and not to start an arguement or anything but you also said on another post of mine about d claws they weren't likely to drop then the next few hours they dropped 600k

[Fekambard]

They are used wherever AGS is, the special beats AGS and ags is only good for the spec.

 

 

 

They have already almost stopped crashing, street price is only a few tables. I don't see them going for under 40-50m; they are harder to get then AGS, yet more useful in every single situation.

 

 

 

they're already down to 29m, how can they drop to 40-50m? and not to start an arguement or anything but you also said on another post of mine about d claws they weren't likely to drop then the next few hours they dropped 600k

 

I think he meant street price.

[compfreak847]

They are used wherever AGS is, the special beats AGS and ags is only good for the spec.

 

 

 

They have already almost stopped crashing, street price is only a few tables. I don't see them going for under 40-50m; they are harder to get then AGS, yet more useful in every single situation.

 

 

 

they're already down to 29m, how can they drop to 40-50m? and not to start an arguement or anything but you also said on another post of mine about d claws they weren't likely to drop then the next few hours they dropped 600k

 

Erm... There's two prices:

 

 

 

GE prices: What everyone besides merchanters use, slightly less the useless

 

Street price: What everyone who buys\sells claws use, the measure of the actual price

 

 

 

Street price went from 70m-6m in under 2 days, then climbed to 35m and is steadily rising. Ignore the ignorant folks who try to quote the GE price.

[toast647]

and ags is only good for the spec.

 

 

 

No it's not... Any godsword is awesome. Even without specs they are still good. I don't think you can hit 50's with dragon claws without spec. Dragon claws are pretty good, but not worth paying that much just for a spec

[SythenRs]

 

Erm... There's two prices:

 

 

 

GE prices: What everyone besides merchanters use, slightly less the useless

 

Street price: What everyone who buys\sells claws use, the measure of the actual price

 

 

 

Street price went from 70m-6m in under 2 days, then climbed to 35m and is steadily rising. Ignore the ignorant folks who try to quote the GE price.

 

 

 

I think the fact that the Ge price is moving means that people are now trading them on the GE, which means street price is pretty much obsolete.

[compfreak847]

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Erm... There's two prices:

 

 

 

GE prices: What everyone besides merchanters use, slightly less the useless

 

Street price: What everyone who buys\sells claws use, the measure of the actual price

 

 

 

Street price went from 70m-6m in under 2 days, then climbed to 35m and is steadily rising. Ignore the ignorant folks who try to quote the GE price.

 

 

 

I think the fact that the Ge price is moving means that people are now trading them on the GE, which means street price is pretty much obsolete.

 

Just because a few sets sell or buy every day on the GE means nothing. The GE price was moving when they were 180k. Does that mean they were worth 180k? Nope, it means a couple of coinshare claws were in the GE and bought for max.

[pureprayer]

and ags is only good for the spec.

 

 

 

No it's not... Any godsword is awesome. Even without specs they are still good. I don't think you can hit 50's with dragon claws without spec. Dragon claws are pretty good, but not worth paying that much just for a spec

 

Whip + defender is better.

[ilovecardj]

Godsword is better for any boss hunting

[toast647]

Whip + defender is better.

 

 

 

Better? Better for what? Maybe for slaying but for most monster hunting a godsword is better.

[T. Skill]

Couldn't tell you when they'll stop crashing/at what price but I can tell you that they're not good for anything besides their spec.

 

 

 

 

Better? Better for what? Maybe for slaying but for most monster hunting a godsword is better.

 

 

 

QFT.

[compfreak847]

Godsword is better for any boss hunting

 

Better? Better for what? Maybe for slaying but for most monster hunting a godsword is better.

 

Lies. Try a whip + defender at any boss. You will be amazed.

 

 

 

 

Couldn't tell you when they'll stop crashing/at what price but I can tell you that they're not good for anything besides their spec.

 

 

Neither is AGS, which is easier to get, and claws spec easily beats AGS.

[toast647]

Godsword is better for any boss hunting

 

Better? Better for what? Maybe for slaying but for most monster hunting a godsword is better.

 

Lies. Try a whip + defender at any boss. You will be amazed.

 

 

 

 

You think I haven't? Godsword > Whip at GWD

[compfreak847]

Godsword is better for any boss hunting

 

Better? Better for what? Maybe for slaying but for most monster hunting a godsword is better.

 

Lies. Try a whip + defender at any boss. You will be amazed.

 

 

 

 

You think I haven't? Godsword > Whip at GWD

 

It's not. It's close, but whip is around 8-10% better. Godsword does have the prayer bonus + easier prayer flashing, though.

[Fudgy999]

Godsword is better for any boss hunting

 

Better? Better for what? Maybe for slaying but for most monster hunting a godsword is better.

 

Lies. Try a whip + defender at any boss. You will be amazed.

 

 

 

 

You think I haven't? Godsword > Whip at GWD

 

It's not. It's close, but whip is around 8-10% better. Godsword does have the prayer bonus + easier prayer flashing, though.

 

 

 

 

 

8-10% better eh? Can we see your CLEAR research into the two options please and the basis of what you reached this %? I can honestly say I, as well as many others have tried both options at GWD and a GS is a lot more effective then a whip and a defender.

[Boomstick911]

Godsword is better for any boss hunting

 

Better? Better for what? Maybe for slaying but for most monster hunting a godsword is better.

 

Lies. Try a whip + defender at any boss. You will be amazed.

 

 

 

 

Couldn't tell you when they'll stop crashing/at what price but I can tell you that they're not good for anything besides their spec.

 

 

Neither is AGS, which is easier to get, and claws spec easily beats AGS.

 

 

 

ya i'll be amazed when i got to gwd and see people at bandos or zamorak or sara with whip+defender

[compfreak847]

Godsword is better for any boss hunting

 

Better? Better for what? Maybe for slaying but for most monster hunting a godsword is better.

 

Lies. Try a whip + defender at any boss. You will be amazed.

 

 

 

 

Couldn't tell you when they'll stop crashing/at what price but I can tell you that they're not good for anything besides their spec.

 

 

Neither is AGS, which is easier to get, and claws spec easily beats AGS.

 

 

 

ya i'll be amazed when i got to gwd and see people at bandos or zamorak or sara with whip+defender

 

What most people do does not constitute what is best. A lot of people wear bandos, a lot of people get fighter torso, etc. etc. etc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

8-10% better eh? Can we see your CLEAR research into the two options please and the basis of what you reached this %? I can honestly say I, as well as many others have tried both options at GWD and a GS is a lot more effective then a whip and a defender.

 

Err... precisely what do you mean by 'clear research'? I went to GWD and tried both weapons, averaging how much XP and how long it took per kill..

[Fudgy999]

 

 

8-10% better eh? Can we see your CLEAR research into the two options please and the basis of what you reached this %? I can honestly say I, as well as many others have tried both options at GWD and a GS is a lot more effective then a whip and a defender.

 

Err... precisely what do you mean by 'clear research'? I went to GWD and tried both weapons, averaging how much XP and how long it took per kill..

 

 

 

Alright, can I see your statistics then please?

 

 

 

How many kills was this based over?

 

What GWD boss?

 

Average time per kill per boss?

 

Average XP per hour?

 

 

 

I presume you'll have all of those stats at hand if you have managed to narrow your % down to a 2% detail

[compfreak847]

 

 

 

Alright, can I see your statistics then please?

 

 

 

How many kills was this based over? Roughly 8,000

 

What GWD boss? Majority were bandos, some were sara, a few were zamorak

 

Average time per kill per boss? Depended entirely on team

 

Average XP per hour? Depended mostly on team; around 9.1k per hour

 

 

 

I presume you'll have all of those stats at hand if you have managed to narrow your % down to a 2% detail

[Obtaurian]

 

 

 

Alright, can I see your statistics then please?

 

 

 

How many kills was this based over? Roughly 8,000

 

What GWD boss? Majority were bandos, some were sara, a few were zamorak

 

Average time per kill per boss? Depended entirely on team

 

Average XP per hour? Depended mostly on team; around 9.1k per hour

 

 

 

I presume you'll have all of those stats at hand if you have managed to narrow your % down to a 2% detail

 

 

 

Those last two answers are extremely ambiguous. You haven't done a similar analysis soloing? That would give you a much clearer victor.

[compfreak847]

 

 

 

Alright, can I see your statistics then please?

 

 

 

How many kills was this based over? Roughly 8,000

 

What GWD boss? Majority were bandos, some were sara, a few were zamorak

 

Average time per kill per boss? Depended entirely on team

 

Average XP per hour? Depended mostly on team; around 9.1k per hour

 

 

 

I presume you'll have all of those stats at hand if you have managed to narrow your % down to a 2% detail

 

 

 

Those last two answers are extremely ambiguous. You haven't done a similar analysis soloing? That would give you a much clearer victor.

 

Soloing just doesn't lend itself well to testing. First of all, losing 20m+ every time a die is a bummer. Second, getting killcount takes a lot of time. Third, it's hard to record every hit and eat and prayer swith :wall:

 

 

 

I have done it, I just find a team much easier to deal with, and still accurate if I make sure I seperate my hits.

[Fudgy999]

 

 

 

Alright, can I see your statistics then please?

 

 

 

How many kills was this based over? Roughly 8,000

 

What GWD boss? Majority were bandos, some were sara, a few were zamorak

 

Average time per kill per boss? Depended entirely on team

 

Average XP per hour? Depended mostly on team; around 9.1k per hour

 

 

 

I presume you'll have all of those stats at hand if you have managed to narrow your % down to a 2% detail

 

 

 

Those last two answers are extremely ambiguous. You haven't done a similar analysis soloing? That would give you a much clearer victor.

 

Soloing just doesn't lend itself well to testing. First of all, losing 20m+ every time a die is a bummer. Second, getting killcount takes a lot of time. Third, it's hard to record every hit and eat and prayer swith :wall:

 

 

 

I have done it, I just find a team much easier to deal with, and still accurate if I make sure I seperate my hits.

 

 

 

For you to get a basis of 8-10% better using a whip / defender I'd like to see your ACTUAL data you've used to get this %, not just some random figures you've made up. I assume this 9.1k per hour is a average overall so how about we see the data say per 100 kills for 1k kills?

 

 

 

Edit: Also the data with GS so we can compare the two <3

[compfreak847]

Everything is compartmentalized in testing. I can use the max hits and hit spreads for godsword vs. whip to determine the average hit when you hit (it's essentially your average between 0 and the max, so my wonderful hit spread charts went to waste :-# )

 

 

 

Basically, all the data I collect at GWD is the hit frequency; everything else can be brought it from other, easier testing sources (Obviously, the hit spread is the same regardless of the monster; already tested that). I also try to draw comparisons; I've found bandos defence very close to a 90-95 defence player in tank gear, so I can extrapolate when my results from there match my GWD numbers for greater overall accuracy; obviously I've tested more PVP then my paltry 6k bandos kills. It all boils down to accuracy; whip is roughly .70-.72 times as accurate as the godsword; with the 1.5 to 1 hit rate, we get higher overall accuracy coupled with the whips overall higher average hit, making for more DPM.