i_love_burritos Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 All non-Muslims will be rejected by Allah after they die Hmmm, let me see ? Misquoted ? How can you possible misinterpret that ?! Offering peace in Islam means surrendering. All 67 out of 68 wars of Muhammad were offensive. They are called qazwah (raid, ambush, sudden attack). That is how Muhammad waged his wars. He raided, massacred and looted civilians with no warning. The one defensive war, 'ditch' was not fought. That is why the Islamic terrorism 'jihad' will continue until the West "offers peace". This was made clear by Bin Laden [hide=Average British Muslims and the Religion of Peace.] [/hide] Need proof ? Look here Would start pulling out verses about Christianity or Judaism, but since the topic is Islam, I shall persevere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 And in the interest of balance, and stopping sensational pictures and stupid captions like yours from influencing the lazy, here are a few of pictures of the "average" Christian and Jew. [hide=The "Average" Christian][/hide] [hide=The "Average" Jew][/hide] Do not make general assumptions on a group of people based on a picture. A picture shows exactly what it shows, nothing more, nothing less. My first picture is not of an "average" Christian, but of a group of disillusioned, radical and intentionally provocative members of the Westbro Baptist Church in America. The other three pictures are of the The Israel "Defense" Forces, backed by the USA, fighting Muslim Palestinians in the Gaza Strip and carrying out bombing runs almost without any prejudice as to who they hit. These pictures depict nothing more than what you actually see in the picture. Just as your picture gives no indication as to the "average" Muslim, but instead shows a group of radical, brainwashed and mislead Muslims on a protest in London in 2006. As this topic seems to have an underlying theme of interpretation, I really expected more from you, Adrenal. :| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faux Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 And in the interest of balance, and stopping sensational pictures and stupid captions like yours from influencing the lazy, here are a few of pictures of the "average" Christian and Jew. [hide=The "Average" Christian][/hide] I think someone misunderstands Christianity.... :: Guess the Movie Contest Champion: pfilc23 :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 And in the interest of balance, and stopping sensational pictures and stupid captions like yours from influencing the lazy, here are a few of pictures of the "average" Christian and Jew. [hide=The "Average" Christian][/hide] I think someone misunderstands Christianity.... Westbro Baptist Church - Self proclaimed protestants. Protestantism = off-shoot of early christianity. What's your point? Their church is a Christian denomination, as is Catholicism, Protestantism (sub-Baptism), Anglicanism, Orthadox, etc etc. insert jealous and power hungry man's opium for the people here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faux Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 And in the interest of balance, and stopping sensational pictures and stupid captions like yours from influencing the lazy, here are a few of pictures of the "average" Christian and Jew. [hide=The "Average" Christian][/hide] I think someone misunderstands Christianity.... Westbro Baptist Church - Self proclaimed protestants. Protestantism = off-shoot of early christianity. What's your point? Their church is a Christian denomination, as is Catholicism, Protestantism (sub-Baptism), Anglicanism, Orthadox, etc etc. insert jealous and power hungry man's opium for the people here. Christians do not announce God is Your Enemy. My point? That goes against everything what Christ supposedly said. :: Guess the Movie Contest Champion: pfilc23 :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 And in the interest of balance, and stopping sensational pictures and stupid captions like yours from influencing the lazy, here are a few of pictures of the "average" Christian and Jew. [hide=The "Average" Christian][/hide] I think someone misunderstands Christianity.... Westbro Baptist Church - Self proclaimed protestants. Protestantism = off-shoot of early christianity. What's your point? Their church is a Christian denomination, as is Catholicism, Protestantism (sub-Baptism), Anglicanism, Orthadox, etc etc. insert jealous and power hungry man's opium for the people here. Christians do not announce God is Your Enemy. My point? That goes against everything what Christ supposedly said. They are Christians. They just did. :lol: And they justify their actions based on the Bible - 'God's word'. On a serious note though, I still don't understand your original statement. Maybe be a little more straightforeward and clear in what you mean: If you were implying that I misunderstood what counts as 'Christian' by showing that picture of seemingly aggressive protesters, then clearly your view is misplaced as I know exactly who that group are and what that is a church of. If, however, you were implying that the Westbro Baptist Church misunderstand what it is to be 'Christian', then I simply suggest that you research who they are and what they believe. You should find that their views come straight from their own specific interpretation of Bible scriptures, and hold themselves to be the only 'true' Christians. Bear in mind the reasoning behind why I chose the pictures that I did, before replying saying 'So why did you post pictures of a group you knew to be extrreamists as the Christian example?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faux Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 [hide=]They are Christians. They just did. :lol: And they justify their actions based on the Bible - 'God's word'. On a serious note though, I still don't understand your original statement. Maybe be a little more straightforeward and clear in what you mean: If you were implying that I misunderstood what counts as 'Christian' by showing that picture of seemingly aggressive protesters, then clearly your view is misplaced as I know exactly who that group are and what that is a church of. If, however, you were implying that the Westbro Baptist Church misunderstand what it is to be 'Christian', then I simply suggest that you research who they are and what they believe. You should find that their views come straight from their own specific interpretation of Bible scriptures, and hold themselves to be the only 'true' Christians. Bear in mind the reasoning behind why I chose the pictures that I did, before replying saying 'So why did you post pictures of a group you knew to be extrreamists as the Christian example?'[/hide] I don't understand why you took the time to write so much stuff. The whole point of Christianity is following the word of Christ. Saying "God is the enemy" goes against everything Christianity stands for. You're grasping for straws here. :: Guess the Movie Contest Champion: pfilc23 :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faux Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Kind of funny that when the Islam and Jew pictures come out, nobody says anything, but when someone messes with Christianity, TIF is pitched into a hellish flame war. Just walk away. :: Guess the Movie Contest Champion: pfilc23 :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 [hide=]They are Christians. They just did. :lol: And they justify their actions based on the Bible - 'God's word'. On a serious note though, I still don't understand your original statement. Maybe be a little more straightforeward and clear in what you mean: If you were implying that I misunderstood what counts as 'Christian' by showing that picture of seemingly aggressive protesters, then clearly your view is misplaced as I know exactly who that group are and what that is a church of. If, however, you were implying that the Westbro Baptist Church misunderstand what it is to be 'Christian', then I simply suggest that you research who they are and what they believe. You should find that their views come straight from their own specific interpretation of Bible scriptures, and hold themselves to be the only 'true' Christians. Bear in mind the reasoning behind why I chose the pictures that I did, before replying saying 'So why did you post pictures of a group you knew to be extrreamists as the Christian example?'[/hide] I don't understand why you took the time to write so much stuff. The whole point of Christianity is following the word of Christ. Saying "God is the enemy" goes against everything Christianity stands for. You're grasping for straws here. And I don't understand why you can't seem to get the underlying concept of this whole topic: interpretation. The word of Christ is clearly equivocal and open to interpretation. If you say that it is clear and unequivocal, why, then, are there so many demoninations of Christianty if you're all reading from the same book? Saying "God is your (USA) enemy" goes against your interpretation of what Christianity stands for, not theirs. And by the way, just so there's no doubt; I am neither theist nor atheist, but instead a very apathetic agnostic (if it must be defined..) I am in no way agreeing with what the Westbro Baptist Church say, I personally think they're a bunch of disillusioned idiots bent on rebelion. I am a firm believer though, that "Religion is the opiate of the masses" and as much as I despise it, I understand that it is needed. You clearly have not bothered to research the organisation in question and look into the reasoning behind their actions, and until you do I am not going to waste any further time on this redundant discussion with you. Look into the issue and then get back to me. Or don't; I don't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faux Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 And I don't understand why you can't seem to get the underlying concept of this whole topic: interpretation. The word of Christ is clearly equivocal and open to interpretation. If you say that it is clear and unequivocal, why, then, are there so many demoninations of Christianty if you're all reading from the same book? Saying "God is your (USA) enemy" goes against your interpretation of what Christianity stands for, not theirs. And by the way, just so there's no doubt; I am neither theist nor atheist, but instead a very apathetic agnostic (if it must be defined..) I am in no way agreeing with what the Westbro Baptist Church say, I personally think they're a bunch of disillusioned idiots bent on rebelion. I am a firm believer though, that "Religion is the opiate of the masses" and as much as I despise it, I understand that it is needed. You clearly have not bothered to research the organisation in question and look into the reasoning behind their actions, and until you do I am not going to waste any further time on this redundant discussion with you. Look into the issue and then get back to me. Or don't; I don't care. So? I'm not religious either. I'm also agnostic. If I created a sect that says Mohammed is not Islam's prophet and I state it as a Muslim organization, does that make it true? Westboro is a cult, nothing else. :: Guess the Movie Contest Champion: pfilc23 :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Haha, alright; your opening argument just clicked in my head. You think Adrenal's picture of Muslims is representative of what the majority of Muslims are like? Hopefully not. The Westbro Baptist Church representative of what the majority of Christians are like? Unlikely. The Israeli Defence Force being representative of what the majority of Jews believe should be done? Obviously not. Westbro do not deviate from the teachings of mainstream 'Christianity' anywhere near as much as your example of Islam. The are akin to extreamist Protestants, that does not mean they are not Christians. I feel as though they have every right to claim they are Christian, based on what they believe. I chose pictures of extreamists for a reason. :roll: The argument of 'how Christian' they are is the same argument I am using against Adrenal's picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenticular_J Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Westbro Baptist Church - Self proclaimed protestants. Protestantism = off-shoot of early christianity. Just wanna say that that's wrong. It really isn't a huge deal, but I'm feeling rather contentious. Christianity really only had one branch for easily a thousand years - Catholicism. Eastern Orthodox sort of molded into its own thing in the 1200s or so. The Lutheran movement began to gather steam early in the 1600s, and the nearest ancestor of modern Baptism would have been founded, oh around 1720 in France. I like studying how religions grow. And yes, Westboro is bat-[cabbage] crazy. catch it now so you can like it before it went so mainstream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pawn Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 No it doesn't. If you would actually pick up a real copy of the Qu'ran and not from the internet you would realize the majority of these "quotes" are fake. As soon as you kill someone or kill yourself you denounce your religion. This 9/11 bs meaning Islam promotes violence is the same as saying Christianity promotes the burning of living humans, the hating of people because of their race, and genocide because of the reign of Hitler and the Holocaust (Debatable if hes christian). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Peace? Religion? Certainly not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O2l Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 I do not think Islam promotes violence...same for most religions that are "official" and for the Flying spaghetti monster (hail meatballs) As in any other religions Islam got extremists who promotes the violence. I have a Muslim friend that showed me a pretty interesting thing; the Kuran. (sp?) He showed me 2 version, not like the Bible and it's many versions were the words will change to make it easier to read, but a version with a different message. The one he reads and follows is really peaceful in its teaching. The other one is really scary and promotes self-c4-on-buildings-that-belongs-to-none-Muslims-or-to-none-pure-Muslims. So I seriously doubt Islam promotes violence. thank God for spell check :wall: Previously known as Pope SkillsXbox Live Gamertag - iGwadman (if you add me, please mention your are from Tip.it or I won't add you)Currently working on a gaming website (like ign and others) if you are willing to help me writting guides, pm me with the subject line ''gaming website'' THANKS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_love_burritos Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Again, never meant to offend anyone with my HideTag title. :| I ask you to all the people, why would different Qu'rans have different material ? Compare and contrast. Why does no other religion have such fundamental ideals and surviving practices such as Islam has ? Why don't you see Christians blowing themselves up ? Or Buddhists ? Am I missing something ? The insanity of the burka. Recently I read an article, entailing - a man beat his wife and in essence got off the hook because he was a Muslim. This was in a Europe. Again, with the Fitna furore, powderkeg waiting to go off. And the Danish cartoons. So much anger, why take offence to anything and everything ? And the magnitude of anger... unexplicable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RpgGamer Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Ideally no religion promotes violence. Infact most promote peace and unity. Especially Islam. None of the major religions (ie. Catholasism, Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism etc) promote any form of large scale violence if any at all. Most try to promote a peaceful brotherly embrace. Unfortunatly there are loopholes in the explanation of all of this in the religious texts. Judaism states that the messiah will not come until every jew shows up to synagogue. This can cause conflict, and as humans conflicts often escalate to violoence. Christianity believies that if you don't believe in Jesus, your hell bound (or something along those lines). This can be misinturpreted and makes every none christian look like a devil. As christians they see the need to purge the devil causing ocnflict. Islam believes something about how the whole species needs to be united under one religion. Islamic extremists think their religion is good and want every one to convert to it. Unfortunatly to get this point across, they often resrt to violence. (ironically against the core principles of islam). As mentioned the Catholics have to remember the crusades (I'm not gonna retype a point thats already been made). So violence according to religion should only be used as a punishment for the most part. If that. But when fingers are being pointed left and right over land, money or power it's hard to tell who is really at fault. Violence spreads like wild fire on a global scale. Some may be able to even justify that America deserved 9/11. I'm certain somebody somewhre could. Whether you agree with their reasoning or not is what causes the conflict. That conflict leads to violence. I feel like I'm typing in circles...I think my points been made. Quote Quote Anyone who likes tacos is incapable of logic. Anyone who likes logic is incapable of tacos. PSA: SaqPrets is an Estonian Dude Steam: NippleBeardTM Origin: Brand_New_iPwn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assassin_696 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 The Qur'an does, but I don't think Islam as a religion does. You really think so? I find it a bit more violent than, say, the Bible, but it's relatively mellow compared to much of the Torah. Then again, viewpoints can change with age - you've got a good couple of years on me. Absolutely. In the Hadith there are a lot of peaceful passages but unfortunately they tend to be the earlier ones chronologically which are superseded by the later ones in Islam scholarship, and the later passages were when Muhammad was living a more violent life and waging war. The Qur'an is full of violence and bigotry, but also full of wisdom and peace. It's a common contradiction found in ancient texts compiled over many years. I'm all for the teaching of the peaceful passages and an honest reading of the Qur'an but I honestly believe that it's not a wholly peaceful book. "Da mihi castitatem et continentam, sed noli modo" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_love_burritos Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 Many posters here are straying off on a tangent, the question I would like asked is: Why are Muslims and Islam generally such a violent religion today, compared with other faiths ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave0293 Posted February 27, 2009 Author Share Posted February 27, 2009 Finally got my power back! :thumbsup: (Lost it from last storm) Many posters here are straying off on a tangent, the question I would like asked is: Why are Muslims and Islam generally such a violent religion today, compared with other faiths ? My guess is that this could be true today as Islam doesn't have a religous history apart from its political history. Christianity was around before Constantine, Judaism existed before the Kingdom of Israel. Therefore, other religions have more of a seperation of church and state. This might also explain why Islam won't adapt to modern ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasignhagj Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 yes islam is the greatest force of evil in the world right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alg Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 Interpretation of a holy book is more or less what ruins religion... Other than that, it's good. Islam is portrayed as violent by the media. The sects that are fighting are the ones that get exposure, and not the Muslims that live their lives like every other American/European/etc. Citizen. Those kinds of sects, as someone said before, are present in every religion. They are a pretty poor example of it... Ready to have my post shredded to bits, Cap'n! :lol: I painted some stuff and put it on tumblr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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