Need some help on weightlifting.

[Phil]

No one wants a patrick bateman delt smashing everyone :o (for non ot.com people basically I think you will find people arn't impressed by over muscly people)

 

 

 

Have you seen his myspace friend's list?

 

 

 

He was also on TV!!!!

 

 

 

Everyone wants to be him!

[Faux]

 

No one wants a patrick bateman delt smashing everyone :o (for non ot.com people basically I think you will find people arn't impressed by over muscly people)

 

 

 

Have you seen his myspace friend's list?

 

 

 

He was also on TV!!!!

 

 

 

Everyone wants to be him!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lol, EXTEME!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm a still a bit too young for gym but I plan on starting on going to it by next year. I'm a bit skinny atm but I still have some fat in my tummy that I wanna get rid off >< I also want some mucles but not more than what would be normal for my size :)

[Kielmccaul75]

You will want to eat a lot of foods with protein, and a really good protein hit straight after you go to the gym can make a large difference. But as for 1 hour a day, not a good idea. Go to the gym once every two days, not every day. I know plenty of people who have done a lot more harm than good over-exerting themselves in the gym.

[Schwarzenegger]

Muscles doesn't come from anywhere it develops from fat.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do you have the slightest clue as to what you're talking about? :?

[opu]

 

Muscles doesn't come from anywhere it develops from fat.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do you have the slightest clue as to what you're talking about? :?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:roll: lol :roll:

[Schwarzenegger]

 

 

Muscles doesn't come from anywhere it develops from fat.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do you have the slightest clue as to what you're talking about? :?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:roll: lol :roll:

 

 

 

What's that supposed to mean?

[blazer]

About the whole "Don't lift weights when your younger" debate. It IS actually true to a certain extent, but you have to lift a hell of a lot to actually make it happen.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What actually happens is this. Muscles join onto bones on each end of the bone (ligaments attach bone to bone). Okay so you've got your muscles there, and when you try to grow, your bone growth plates expand. This means that the muscles has to stretch and adapt to this expanding bone.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now there is where the problem lies, if you've worked out heaps before you've done most of you're growing, the muscles will be overly developed and they can stop the growth plates expanding. Although it is rather rare for this to happen properly because you have to bulk up big time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And Teh Brad. You will need some SERIOUS motivation to get you buff if you are a natural ectomorph like me. I eat twice what my friends do, I can lift almost twice what they can (except for my friend who actual goes into body building comps :shock:), yet I still weigh hardly anything and look skinny with a bit of tone. It's just not fair for guys like us. :cry:

[opu]

 

 

 

Muscles doesn't come from anywhere it develops from fat.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do you have the slightest clue as to what you're talking about? :?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:roll: lol :roll:

 

 

 

What's that supposed to mean?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

im laughing at devil........

[____]

And so am I.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I seriously wouldn't've expected cj to say something like that after the number of topics like this he should've read in the past.

[Scruffy5389]

Since no one seems to have mentioned stretching yet, I thought I'd throw that out there. Stretching the muscles that you are working will help them grow.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Someone did say it's not really about what you eat. I actually agree with this, to some extent. If your diet is good anyway, you get more than enough of everything already. Adding this or that or avoiding this or that is only going to amount to a fart in a windstorm. Eat natural, balanced meals, and don't cut back on protein or fat or anything, and you're golden.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But in the end, it's really just a waiting game while your body tries to take forty years to go through puberty and you try and force it through in a week. Be patient. The girls actually like a skinny guy just fine. I didn't believe it for a while either, but they've convinced me otherwise :wink:

[Schwarzenegger]

 

 

 

Someone did say it's not really about what you eat. I actually agree with this, to some extent. If your diet is good anyway, you get more than enough of everything already. Adding this or that or avoiding this or that is only going to amount to a fart in a windstorm. Eat natural, balanced meals, and don't cut back on protein or fat or anything, and you're golden.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, yes as you said, if your diet is good, which it more than likely isn't. But if you're serious about lifting, supplements will help you alot. Of course you have to take them right, follow the direction. If you just do whatever you want yes it will just lead to a fart or to "expensive urine".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But in the end, it's really just a waiting game while your body tries to take forty years to go through puberty and you try and force it through in a week. Be patient. The girls actually like a skinny guy just fine. I didn't believe it for a while either, but they've convinced me otherwise :wink:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Who says hes doing it for girls? Most just want to have more muscle to look and feel good (which you willl eventually). Although girls might like a skinny guy just fine, it is a proven fact that most girls are more attracted to a muscular guy.

[cjlhdevil]

And so am I.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I seriously wouldn't've expected cj to say something like that after the number of topics like this he should've read in the past.

Well blow me down. It was [bleep]ing 12am when I said it and I had been working since 7am am I not aloud to get something wrong? Also I don't bloody care about the technical crap. I know exactly how to live my lifestyle and have my lovely body so to hell with you all.

[Schwarzenegger]

 

And so am I.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I seriously wouldn't've expected cj to say something like that after the number of topics like this he should've read in the past.

Well blow me down. It was * 12am when I said it and I had been working since 7am am I not aloud to get something wrong? Also I don't bloody care about the technical crap. I know exactly how to live my lifestyle and have my lovely body so to hell with you all.

 

 

 

No need to have a heart attack on the internet :)

[____]

/ stuff /

You should know me better than that. I just found it amusing :P

[Scruffy5389]

Well, yes as you said, if your diet is good, which it more than likely isn't. But if you're serious about lifting, supplements will help you alot.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No no no see that's my point exactly: if your diet is good, you have all the protein you need. Adding more in the form of a supplement is pointless. I guess Im talking about protein specifically here. You have all you need in your diet already, and your body is simply using as much as it wants and wasting the rest. Adding more isn't going to make your body use more, it will use the same amount that it has been using and, as usual, waste the rest. As your body ages and matures, it's protein needs will change and it will use more (still within the levels of a normal American/British/Westerner diet), but adding protein to your diet will not force your body to use it. Your body will only develop so fast, and you will reach that speed of development through training and eating healthy. You can't go beyond that speed just by binge eating protein.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now, if you were vegetarian, and could argue that you really aren't getting enough protein, a supplement might make sense. Otherwise, I think supplements are overrated. And if studies show they work, ask who paid for the study. It's probly the same as the person/company trying to sell you a supplement.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for him not necessarily wanting to impress the girls, I never said he was. I was just offering encouragement and sympathy in these trying times, and pointing out that in that particular area (chasing the girls), being skinny is not as bad as most people think. Maybe girls do like more muscled guys better, but I have never seen it "proven," and quite frankly, personal experience suggests that they don't really care that much.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And honestly, most of the guys I know like to look good for the girls. If you ask them, that is a big reason they work out. Maybe not number one, but a big one.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

...and for some of us, it's really the only reason, but that's sort of a different story :lol:

[BlueLancer]

 

Muscles doesn't come from anywhere it develops from fat.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do you have the slightest clue as to what you're talking about? :?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think he might've been kidding. 8) But yeah, fat does NOT convert into muscle mass. Have fun eating those 3lbs weight-gain supplements which are 100% carbohydrates or 100% fat, you wont get anything else than a huge beer-belly eating that stuff every day.

[blazer]

 

 

Muscles doesn't come from anywhere it develops from fat.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do you have the slightest clue as to what you're talking about? :?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think he might've been kidding. 8) But yeah, fat does NOT convert into muscle mass. Have fun eating those 3lbs weight-gain supplements which are 100% carbohydrates or 100% fat, you wont get anything else than a huge beer-belly eating that stuff every day.

I have a friend who basically lives off supplements and he could probably have a good chance at beating an elephant in a wrestling match. :wink:

[youmakemesik]

Just for whoever suggested using machines with a gym membership -

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- Machines, while they DO work, will often result in an out-of-proportion body. They don't evenly build your muscles and in my opinion, arn't as efficient.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- My advice is just get a simple set of dumbells/barbells, see what works well with you (using teh basic exercises), and pick one nad go with it. Personally, I use dumbells but not saying barbells are bad - give em a try too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- I suggest starting at 15 if you're ready for it, or 16 if you don't mind lettinf it off for a while.

[____]

In regards to the above, most of my friends have:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A bench press.

 

 

 

~100kg in disks

 

 

 

a set of dumbles

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Works well for them. I can't see how anyone could need anything else?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I can also vouch for the machines in gyms resulting in an out of proportion body. After a month I was pressing a good 200kg with my legs. Arms / upper body had next to no change after 2 months.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's odd.

[Teh_Brad]

I'm thinking I'll start doing this:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do 50/100 pushups and situps in the morning. I'll have to get up earlier, and I may be a bit groggy, but hey, it'll wake me up, eh?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Then, 3 hours before I go to bed, I'll do another 50/100 situps and pushups... The reason I say 3 hours is because that's what I hear when you should do exercise so you don't have sleeping problems? Maybe it's 2 hours, whatever, I like my sleep.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And about the whole girl thing...It's not like I have real girl problems. I can get most girls if I try. I just don't want to feel skinny and have a little body. I don't want to go too big, but I want to look nice and have some tone. I think my body is fine now, but extra strength/looks is always fine.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Push-ups should help my abs, obviously. My abs are fine now, albeit a bit skinny, no fat, or no muscle to speak of. This should give me a nice washboard, since the muscles don't need to be gained that much to show through.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Push-ups will help my overall upper body, as that is the main problem. No strength there to speak of.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And, on top of this, as I always do, I ride 1-2-3-4 miles on a bike every night. Exercises lots of my lower body, but my calves and thighs are pretty toned already.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No supplements, not yet anyway - I'll just try to eat a little more protein. I probably get enough carbs from my mom's cooking -.-

[Scruffy5389]

I wasn't trying to suggest that you did have girl trouble, mate, just tellin everyone what my limited experience has told me :D

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Your plan sounds great to me. I dunno that you have to do all your working out 2-3 hours before bedtime, tho. A lot of the time I'll do an intense workout of pull-ups, push-ups, and sit-ups at 11:00 or 10:00 PM, take a shower, go to bed, and sleep just fine.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I never could get the motivation to work out in the morning though :? Good luck with that.

[Praya]

From what I see, everyone is talking about how your diet is not important. The diet is the MOST important part of gaining mass. You should be eating 5-6 small meals a day instead of 3 large ones. This will keep the metabolism going and keep you from binging because you won't be as hungry. Some of you have suggest that he take 1g protein/bodyweight. That sounds about right, ~1-1.5g protein/bodyweight.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do 50/100 pushups and situps in the morning. I'll have to get up earlier, and I may be a bit groggy, but hey, it'll wake me up, eh?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Then, 3 hours before I go to bed, I'll do another 50/100 situps and pushups... The reason I say 3 hours is because that's what I hear when you should do exercise so you don't have sleeping problems? Maybe it's 2 hours, whatever, I like my sleep.

 

 

 

Doing alot of pushups/situps won't gain mass well. This will make your muscles have more endurance, but will not result in a dramatic size increase. Instead of situps, why don't you add in leg raises and other variations? Also, you can try doing incline pushups. Your current routine will only build abs/pecs/triceps. This can lead to an unproportianal body. You are forgetting all your leg muscles, biceps, traps, delts, and your back.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- Machines, while they DO work, will often result in an out-of-proportion body. They don't evenly build your muscles and in my opinion, arn't as efficient.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- My advice is just get a simple set of dumbells/barbells, see what works well with you (using teh basic exercises), and pick one nad go with it. Personally, I use dumbells but not saying barbells are bad - give em a try too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

The reason machines do not evenly build muscle is because they isolate specific muscles. They are not compound lifts. So inexperienced lifters do only certain machines and forget muscle groups, thus attaining out of proportional bodies. I agree with your advice on dumbells/barbells. This will build muscle much faster than pushups/situps. You can also hit ALL muscle groups using a set of DBs/BBs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No no no see that's my point exactly: if your diet is good, you have all the protein you need. Adding more in the form of a supplement is pointless. I guess Im talking about protein specifically here. You have all you need in your diet already, and your body is simply using as much as it wants and wasting the rest. Adding more isn't going to make your body use more, it will use the same amount that it has been using and, as usual, waste the rest. As your body ages and matures, it's protein needs will change and it will use more (still within the levels of a normal American/British/Westerner diet), but adding protein to your diet will not force your body to use it. Your body will only develop so fast, and you will reach that speed of development through training and eating healthy. You can't go beyond that speed just by binge eating protein.

 

 

 

Supplements are an important tool for bodybuilding if used correctly. You are saying that taking more protein in the form of a supplement is pointless? The Whey Protein Powder is a basic supplement that every lifter needs. They are not taking it to gain more protein. They take it because the proteins in it have quick reacting enzymes that stimulate muscle growth. It is optimal to take this right after working out because the fast acting enzymes of the whey help to repair/build new muscle. I do agree with you that you should not binge on protein. All you need is ~1g-1.5g protein/lb bodyweight to grow. Anything else is overdoing it and will not be good for you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think he might've been kidding. Cool But yeah, fat does NOT convert into muscle mass. Have fun eating those 3lbs weight-gain supplements which are 100% carbohydrates or 100% fat, you wont get anything else than a huge beer-belly eating that stuff every day.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Those supplements which you refer to are the ones he SHOULD NOT be using. Not all supplements are as bad as that. I have a 5lb box of whey protein downstairs. It is a weight gaining supplement. There is ~2g of fat per serving. (No saturated fat). There are 5g of carbs per serving. Don't make assumptions that all weight gainers are bad for you.

[Teh_Brad]

I'll add in some leg lifts and curls training too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(we have some 5/10/20 pound weights/DBs/BBs here... those should work for curls for awhile)

[Praya]

You have some DBs? If you want to hit your shoulders you can add in front and lateral delt raises. Just do not go too heavy on them or you will bring your back into the lift. Also, going to heavy could lead to Rotator Cuff injuries. You could also do shoulder press with your DBs/BBs

[youmakemesik]

Just a tip -

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Don't work yourself out body-building. I could be wrong but from what I gather, looks like you have started your body-building and are a little too eager. This is what I have gathered though I could be wrong:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wake Up

 

 

 

Exercise (pushups, situps)

 

 

 

Breakfast

 

 

 

School/Lunch

 

 

 

Exercise (bike ride, etc)

 

 

 

Exercise (pushups, situps)

 

 

 

Sleep

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Etc. It's good to see you're designating time to build, but just don't over-work yourself with the fear that you're muscle's arn't developing in teh short-term. And give yourself a few free days (eg. work, work, rest, work work rest, wateva) for your muscles to rest out and develop. You don't want them getting tired, injured, contracting/straining, etc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Most importantly, ensure you are receiving a fit amount of sleep, the time in which you're muscles will grow as they loosen out a bit.