Balancing Weapons and Armor.

[Zaaps1]

This isn't my thread at all. You say that weapons should get a change, but your arguments prove otherwise. Everything I say about how to change the weapons you have to disagree. Is that what you want to do? Just disagree with everything I say and don't suggest anything? Just go and make your own thread for god's sake. I never said everyone has to agree with me. So what if I hate idiots who disagree with me for no apparent reason or talk crap? (this isn't referring to you)

 

 

 

Don't get influenced by that idiot hihihi27. He says I don't have the right to bar non-supporters from posting. I don't, and I never said I did. I just told the NON-SUPPORTERS WHO POST CRAP and don't give proper reasons or evidence to back up their opinions to get the hell out of my thread. What's the point of having them there? Boost post count? Who cares. Bump my thread? This isn't the RSOF. Waste space? Tip.it is a non-profit organisation and they don't need idiots wasting their precious space. Ok, so I can't control them. At least I tried to get them out. So to get things straight, you agree that I don't have the right to tell idiots to shut up and get lost? If so, I have nothing to say to you.

 

 

 

That's all. Again, I repeat, you don't have to try to tell me to change my opinion. I'll listen to your opinions, ideas, suggestions, whatever, but you don't have to order me to keep an open mind. As I said, I don't need a psychiatrist.

 

 

[hide=Response]What do you mean I "have to disagree"? I'm not purposely trying to go against you, I'm just trying to prove MY point. MY point is that this suggestion is good, but not all of the updates suggested are necessary to the extent suggested. That's all. I'm not going to make my own thread. That's a waste of time. I have nothing to suggest, I only have small problems I want to address. We both know what would happen if I did. I'd get a bunch of posts going along the lines of: "lol nub theres already a suggestion, ib4tl".

 

 

 

I wasn't influenced by hihihi. I don't think he's an idiot either, but hold what opinions you will. I just want to say that no one influences what I say, and everything is my own free thought. Just because we coincidentally share a similar view does not mean I was influenced by him. However, if someone just says "no support, isn't needed", all you have to do is disregard that post if you feel it isn't backed by appropriate evidence. On the other hands, while you HAVE the right to tell them to "shut up" since they don't have good arguments, I don't think you're allowed to tell them to get out. That's just me, and I would never tell anyone to get out of my thread, regardless of their views.

 

 

 

Of course you don't need a psychiatrist. I just wanted to tell you that everyone has a right to share their opinion. If they say something unimportant or without a good reason, then just tell them that. That's all, maybe you'll change someone's life. Just because they don't support, it doesn't mean they're your enemy.[/hide]

 

 

 

Now I'm going to be taking a long break from TIF, so I wanna end this here: you're a great guy and have great motivation. You can defend your views eloquently and rationally. Not many people can do so as well as you. No matter what you say, you say it for a reason. I respect that. F2p needs changes, and you can be someone who helps those changes get around. I just want to remind you that everybody's opinions should matter to you, regardless of if they're with or against you. Sorry for sounding like your parents here for telling you this, and I know you might be getting slightly annoyed reading this. But I just want to end on a good note. You have my respect, whether you want it or not, and you also have my support, at least in part, for your suggestions.

[quelmotz]

This isn't my thread at all. You say that weapons should get a change, but your arguments prove otherwise. Everything I say about how to change the weapons you have to disagree. Is that what you want to do? Just disagree with everything I say and don't suggest anything? Just go and make your own thread for god's sake. I never said everyone has to agree with me. So what if I hate idiots who disagree with me for no apparent reason or talk crap? (this isn't referring to you)

 

 

 

Don't get influenced by that idiot hihihi27. He says I don't have the right to bar non-supporters from posting. I don't, and I never said I did. I just told the NON-SUPPORTERS WHO POST CRAP and don't give proper reasons or evidence to back up their opinions to get the hell out of my thread. What's the point of having them there? Boost post count? Who cares. Bump my thread? This isn't the RSOF. Waste space? Tip.it is a non-profit organisation and they don't need idiots wasting their precious space. Ok, so I can't control them. At least I tried to get them out. So to get things straight, you agree that I don't have the right to tell idiots to shut up and get lost? If so, I have nothing to say to you.

 

 

 

That's all. Again, I repeat, you don't have to try to tell me to change my opinion. I'll listen to your opinions, ideas, suggestions, whatever, but you don't have to order me to keep an open mind. As I said, I don't need a psychiatrist.

 

 

[hide=Response]What do you mean I "have to disagree"? I'm not purposely trying to go against you, I'm just trying to prove MY point. MY point is that this suggestion is good, but not all of the updates suggested are necessary to the extent suggested. That's all. I'm not going to make my own thread. That's a waste of time. I have nothing to suggest, I only have small problems I want to address. We both know what would happen if I did. I'd get a bunch of posts going along the lines of: "lol nub theres already a suggestion, ib4tl".

 

 

 

I wasn't influenced by hihihi. I don't think he's an idiot either, but hold what opinions you will. I just want to say that no one influences what I say, and everything is my own free thought. Just because we coincidentally share a similar view does not mean I was influenced by him. However, if someone just says "no support, isn't needed", all you have to do is disregard that post if you feel it isn't backed by appropriate evidence. On the other hands, while you HAVE the right to tell them to "shut up" since they don't have good arguments, I don't think you're allowed to tell them to get out. That's just me, and I would never tell anyone to get out of my thread, regardless of their views.

 

 

 

Of course you don't need a psychiatrist. I just wanted to tell you that everyone has a right to share their opinion. If they say something unimportant or without a good reason, then just tell them that. That's all, maybe you'll change someone's life. Just because they don't support, it doesn't mean they're your enemy.[/hide]

 

 

 

Now I'm going to be taking a long break from TIF, so I wanna end this here: you're a great guy and have great motivation. You can defend your views eloquently and rationally. Not many people can do so as well as you. No matter what you say, you say it for a reason. I respect that. F2p needs changes, and you can be someone who helps those changes get around. I just want to remind you that everybody's opinions should matter to you, regardless of if they're with or against you. Sorry for sounding like your parents here for telling you this, and I know you might be getting slightly annoyed reading this. But I just want to end on a good note. You have my respect, whether you want it or not, and you also have my support, at least in part, for your suggestions.

 

 

 

Thanks :

 

 

 

Sorry if I got a bit worked up when posting that, I always do when I go into heated debates. Especially when idiots come and annoy me. Hope you have a nice break from TIF. Farewell.

[Karvinen]

You have forgotten magic. It's supposed to be a part of the combat triangle, but now it is more like a secondary combat skill like prayer and summoning.

 

 

 

Attacks:

 

-32 max damage at level 99 isn't enough for KOing.

 

-The freezing effect is useless compared to KO ability. Why freeze for 20 sec if you can kill in less than 5 sec with range or melee?

 

-The freezing effect works only for fleeing players who don't even make an attempt to attack you (Fist of Guthix, skiller killing)

 

 

 

Armour:

 

-Even the best armour is only similar to adamantite armour. Melee can KO mages easily, even though they aren't supposed to (combat triangle).

 

-You are very lucky if you can farcast through the entire fight

 

-When you are farcasting, you can be jumped at any time by other players even in single areas

 

-The freezing effect is useless against jumpers. That's where high level armour would be most important. You can't just paranoidically freeze every player near you.

 

 

 

Inventory and costs:

 

-Runes take up the space that other classes can use for food.

 

-Every time you cast a spell, you lose runes. Meleers don't lose anything and archers get most of their arrows back.

[sadukar123]

Karvinen you might want to read this.

 

 

 

viewtopic.php?f=103&t=777299

 

 

 

It shows the combos and KOs you can do with Magic.

 

 

 

 

 

Only thing I hate magic is it's either extreme cost for fast xp or REALLY slow xp for cheapness.

[Youmu]

Updated first post with stat changes.

[quelmotz]

You have forgotten magic. It's supposed to be a part of the combat triangle, but now it is more like a secondary combat skill like prayer and summoning.

 

 

 

Attacks:

 

-32 max damage at level 99 isn't enough for KOing.

 

-The freezing effect is useless compared to KO ability. Why freeze for 20 sec if you can kill in less than 5 sec with range or melee?

 

-The freezing effect works only for fleeing players who don't even make an attempt to attack you (Fist of Guthix, skiller killing)

 

 

 

Armour:

 

-Even the best armour is only similar to adamantite armour. Melee can KO mages easily, even though they aren't supposed to (combat triangle).

 

-You are very lucky if you can farcast through the entire fight

 

-When you are farcasting, you can be jumped at any time by other players even in single areas

 

-The freezing effect is useless against jumpers. That's where high level armour would be most important. You can't just paranoidically freeze every player near you.

 

 

 

Inventory and costs:

 

-Runes take up the space that other classes can use for food.

 

-Every time you cast a spell, you lose runes. Meleers don't lose anything and archers get most of their arrows back.

 

 

 

viewtopic.php?f=66&t=784101

 

viewtopic.php?f=37&t=784491

 

 

 

I don't disagree with your opinion that mage needs a SERIOUS boost, as you can see clearly in these two threads.

[Youmu]

You have forgotten magic. It's supposed to be a part of the combat triangle, but now it is more like a secondary combat skill like prayer and summoning.

 

 

 

Attacks:

 

-32 max damage at level 99 isn't enough for KOing.

 

-The freezing effect is useless compared to KO ability. Why freeze for 20 sec if you can kill in less than 5 sec with range or melee?

 

-The freezing effect works only for fleeing players who don't even make an attempt to attack you (Fist of Guthix, skiller killing)

 

 

 

Armour:

 

-Even the best armour is only similar to adamantite armour. Melee can KO mages easily, even though they aren't supposed to (combat triangle).

 

-You are very lucky if you can farcast through the entire fight

 

-When you are farcasting, you can be jumped at any time by other players even in single areas

 

-The freezing effect is useless against jumpers. That's where high level armour would be most important. You can't just paranoidically freeze every player near you.

 

 

 

Inventory and costs:

 

-Runes take up the space that other classes can use for food.

 

-Every time you cast a spell, you lose runes. Meleers don't lose anything and archers get most of their arrows back.

 

 

 

viewtopic.php?f=66&t=784101

 

viewtopic.php?f=37&t=784491

 

 

 

I don't disagree with your opinion that mage needs a SERIOUS boost, as you can see clearly in these two threads.

 

I think I should have said this thread was for MELEE only.

 

That's because melee has the most versatile items, which some of them are unfortunately extremely unbalanced.

 

That's why I only included melee in this thread.

[Danil445]

I support. But there is one problem other than the bonuses, and that are the animations. Just look at the animation of claws/maces/warhammers/daggers/swords/longswords, and you'll know what I mean.

 

 

 

Claws should be something like lesser demons, or a random part of the dragon claws special attack.

 

Maces/warhammers should be like the skeletons that use flails, or like a one-handed obsidian maul.

 

Daggers/swords/longswords should be like the guards in Varrock.

 

 

 

Could you add something about animations? :)

 

 

 

~ Dani.

[Sid Icarus]

Warning, I'm a [bleep].

 

 

 

Ok, let me take a shot at it now.

 

 

 

Rune Dagger: + 25 + 12 - 4 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 24 + 0 Speed: 6

 

 

 

New: + 27 + 12 - 4 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 24 + 0 Speed: 7

Doesn't make much sense that attacking with a dagger is faster than attacking barehanded, does it?

 

Rune Warhammer: - 4 - 4 + 53 - 4 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 48 + 0 Speed: 4

 

 

 

New: - 4 - 4 + 44 - 4 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 62 + 0 Speed: 4

Ok. Remains useless.

 

Rune Mace: + 20 - 2 + 39 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 36 + 4 Speed: 5

 

 

 

New: + 20 - 2 + 42 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 48 + 0 Speed: 4

[sarcasm] So you removed the only property that made the mace special and turned it into a weaker version of the rune warhammer? Brilliant.

 

Rune Sword: + 38 + 26 - 2 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 2 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 39 + 0 Speed: 6

 

 

 

New: + 45 + 26 - 2 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 2 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 40 + 0 Speed: 6

 

 

 

Rune Scimitar: + 7 + 45 - 2 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 44 + 0 Speed: 6

 

 

 

New: + 7 + 52 - 2 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 44 + 0 Speed: 5

I like how the new stats of the rune sword are almost equal to the old stats of rune scimitar. You know, the OVERPOWERED stats. It's also awesome that you decided to make the scimitar useless.

 

Rune Battleaxe: +2 + 48 + 43 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 - 1 + 0 + 64 + 0 Speed: 4

 

 

 

New: +2 + 50 + 46 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 - 1 + 0 + 56 + 0 Speed: 4

 

Rune battleaxe was barely used anyways, so I can totally see why you nerfed it.

 

Armour

So all armour has full defence against slash? Not biased at all. [/sarcasm]

[Youmu]

I support. But there is one problem other than the bonuses, and that are the animations. Just look at the animation of claws/maces/warhammers/daggers/swords/longswords, and you'll know what I mean.

 

 

 

Claws should be something like lesser demons, or a random part of the dragon claws special attack.

 

Maces/warhammers should be like the skeletons that use flails, or like a one-handed obsidian maul.

 

Daggers/swords/longswords should be like the guards in Varrock.

 

 

 

Could you add something about animations? :)

 

 

 

~ Dani.

 

Thanks for your support! :)

 

I can consider weapon animations later, though. Since I never intended the weapons to have a different animation, so I don't know what the animations should be.

[Skeptical]

I like most of your ideas. I would really like the other weapons to become usable: I like the idea of using a mace, but statistically, there's just no point.

[Quelmotz1]

Can't you just shut the **** up and get lost. I'm leaving these stupid forums soon and I'm sick of idiots like you. Don't blame me for telling me to shut up when you make a lot of cutting comments. It won't get your freaking point through. Idiot.

 

 

 

Warning, I'm a [bleep].

 

 

 

Ok, let me take a shot at it now.

 

 

 

Rune Dagger: + 25 + 12 - 4 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 24 + 0 Speed: 6

 

 

 

New: + 27 + 12 - 4 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 24 + 0 Speed: 7

Doesn't make much sense that attacking with a dagger is faster than attacking barehanded, does it? Ok. So lets make barehanded attacking speed 25.

 

Rune Warhammer: - 4 - 4 + 53 - 4 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 48 + 0 Speed: 4

 

 

 

New: - 4 - 4 + 44 - 4 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 62 + 0 Speed: 4

Ok. Remains useless. Then show it. A onehanded weapon with 62 strength is great for strength pures.

 

Rune Mace: + 20 - 2 + 39 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 36 + 4 Speed: 5

 

 

 

New: + 20 - 2 + 42 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 48 + 0 Speed: 4

[sarcasm] So you removed the only property that made the mace special and turned it into a weaker version of the rune warhammer? Brilliant. Speed, speed, speed. Prayer? who cares a .... about prayer. Tell me if you EVER USED THE FREAKING MACE FOR THE PRAYER.

 

Rune Sword: + 38 + 26 - 2 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 2 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 39 + 0 Speed: 6

 

 

 

New: + 45 + 26 - 2 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 2 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 40 + 0 Speed: 6

 

 

 

Rune Scimitar: + 7 + 45 - 2 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 44 + 0 Speed: 6

 

 

 

New: + 7 + 52 - 2 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 44 + 0 Speed: 5

I like how the new stats of the rune sword are almost equal to the old stats of rune scimitar. You know, the OVERPOWERED stats. It's also awesome that you decided to make the scimitar useless. NICE FAIL. Its stats are far, far below that of the old and ....... overpowered scimitar. If you can say that, the longsword's also freaking awesome because its stats are better than the old scimitar, except for its speed. Close doesn't count as equal. Idiot.

 

Rune Battleaxe: +2 + 48 + 43 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 - 1 + 0 + 64 + 0 Speed: 4

 

 

 

New: +2 + 50 + 46 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 - 1 + 0 + 56 + 0 Speed: 4

 

Rune battleaxe was barely used anyways, so I can totally see why you nerfed it. Nerfed? It was logical that battleaxes are weaker than warhammers in strength, but more accurate.

 

Armour

So all armour has full defence against slash? Not biased at all. Ok. Did you notice that ALL THE FREAKING SLASH WEAPONS ARE MUCH MORE POWERFUL THAN THE STAB/CRUSH ONES? Really stupid logic.[/sarcasm]

[sadukar123]

Can't you just shut the **** up and get lost. I'm leaving these stupid forums soon and I'm sick of idiots like you. Don't blame me for telling me to shut up when you make a lot of cutting comments. It won't get your freaking point through. Idiot.

 

 

 

Warning, I'm a [bleep].

 

 

 

Ok, let me take a shot at it now.

 

 

 

Rune Dagger: + 25 + 12 - 4 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 24 + 0 Speed: 6

 

 

 

New: + 27 + 12 - 4 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 24 + 0 Speed: 7

Doesn't make much sense that attacking with a dagger is faster than attacking barehanded, does it? Ok. So lets make barehanded attacking speed 25.

 

Rune Warhammer: - 4 - 4 + 53 - 4 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 48 + 0 Speed: 4

 

 

 

New: - 4 - 4 + 44 - 4 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 62 + 0 Speed: 4

Ok. Remains useless. Then show it. A onehanded weapon with 62 strength is great for strength pures. Why are you catering to pures? I thought you preferred balance. :roll:

 

Rune Mace: + 20 - 2 + 39 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 36 + 4 Speed: 5

 

 

 

New: + 20 - 2 + 42 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 48 + 0 Speed: 4

[sarcasm] So you removed the only property that made the mace special and turned it into a weaker version of the rune warhammer? Brilliant. Speed, speed, speed. Prayer? who cares a .... about prayer. Tell me if you EVER USED THE FREAKING MACE FOR THE PRAYER. I do. Dragon mace has +5 prayer, I use it when I'm tanking Bandos. Without prayer bonus what it makes the mace special is gone, and speed 4, that's not even worth using, it's beyond worthless. :roll:

 

Rune Sword: + 38 + 26 - 2 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 2 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 39 + 0 Speed: 6

 

 

 

New: + 45 + 26 - 2 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 2 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 40 + 0 Speed: 6

 

 

 

Rune Scimitar: + 7 + 45 - 2 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 44 + 0 Speed: 6

 

 

 

New: + 7 + 52 - 2 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 44 + 0 Speed: 5

I like how the new stats of the rune sword are almost equal to the old stats of rune scimitar. You know, the OVERPOWERED stats. It's also awesome that you decided to make the scimitar useless. NICE FAIL. Its stats are far, far below that of the old and ....... overpowered scimitar. If you can say that, the longsword's also freaking awesome because its stats are better than the old scimitar, except for its speed. Close doesn't count as equal. Idiot. Actually they do. Rune sword is now just a stab based scimitar, people would use it instead of scimitar.

 

Rune Battleaxe: +2 + 48 + 43 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 - 1 + 0 + 64 + 0 Speed: 4

 

 

 

New: +2 + 50 + 46 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 - 1 + 0 + 56 + 0 Speed: 4

 

Rune battleaxe was barely used anyways, so I can totally see why you nerfed it. Nerfed? It was logical that battleaxes are weaker than warhammers in strength, but more accurate. Let's see, which hurts more, a blunt weapon that hits you that you may recover from unless it's the head, or a huge axe that can cut you in half.

 

Armour

So all armour has full defence against slash? Not biased at all. Ok. Did you notice that ALL THE FREAKING SLASH WEAPONS ARE MUCH MORE POWERFUL THAN THE STAB/CRUSH ONES? Really stupid logic.[/sarcasm]

[Sid Icarus]

Ok. So lets make barehanded attacking speed 25.

Or we could remove it altogether. Who fights barehanded anyways?

 

 

 

Then show it. A onehanded weapon with 62 strength is great for strength pures.

Strength pures might as well use rune 2h, since they can't use any proper shields.

 

 

 

Speed, speed, speed. Prayer? who cares a .... about prayer. Tell me if you EVER USED THE FREAKING MACE FOR THE PRAYER.

I never used maces. Does it mean that the idea of prayer boost should be abandoned?

 

 

 

NICE FAIL. Its stats are far, far below that of the old and ....... overpowered scimitar. If you can say that, the longsword's also freaking awesome because its stats are better than the old scimitar, except for its speed. Close doesn't count as equal. Idiot.

NICE FAIL! Let's compare the new stats of rune sword and the old stats of rune scimitar:

 

- New rune sword: +45 stab, 40 strength, speed: 6

 

- Old rune scimitar: +45 slash, +44 strength, speed: 6

 

So the new rune sword is 4 strength away from the "OVERPOWERED" rune scimitar stats. Does 4 strength make any difference? No.

 

 

 

I don't see why you even mentioned the longsword. It's useless.

 

 

 

Nerfed? It was logical that battleaxes are weaker than warhammers in strength, but more accurate.

The extra accuracy is wasted on the biased armour stats. I'm sure you planned that, thought.

 

 

 

Ok. Did you notice that ALL THE FREAKING SLASH WEAPONS ARE MUCH MORE POWERFUL THAN THE STAB/CRUSH ONES? Really stupid logic.

I didn't notice. Are you sure about that?

[Abc1230]

Not everybody is a pker. It's people like you who ruin the game for the rest of us. The ONLY thing I agree with is the d claw spec.

[Quelmotz1]

Not everybody is a pker. It's people like you who ruin the game for the rest of us. The ONLY thing I agree with is the d claw spec.

 

 

 

Who are you talking to? Me?

 

 

 

If so, I can tell you I'm not a pker at all. Get your facts straight before assuming. If you're not referring to me, ignore the part above.

[Quelmotz1]

Ok. So lets make barehanded attacking speed 25.

Or we could remove it altogether. Who fights barehanded anyways? Then why the .... did you refer to it anyway? Idiot. Really hypocritical

 

 

 

Then show it. A onehanded weapon with 62 strength is great for strength pures.

Strength pures might as well use rune 2h, since they can't use any proper shields.Fine, so how do you propose to change it huh?

 

 

 

Speed, speed, speed. Prayer? who cares a .... about prayer. Tell me if you EVER USED THE FREAKING MACE FOR THE PRAYER.

I never used maces. Does it mean that the idea of prayer boost should be abandoned? Who cares about the prayer. So, lets just make the mace have much better bonuses than the warhammer, shall we?

 

 

 

NICE FAIL. Its stats are far, far below that of the old and ....... overpowered scimitar. If you can say that, the longsword's also freaking awesome because its stats are better than the old scimitar, except for its speed. Close doesn't count as equal. Idiot.

NICE FAIL! Let's compare the new stats of rune sword and the old stats of rune scimitar:

 

- New rune sword: +45 stab, 40 strength, speed: 6

 

- Old rune scimitar: +45 slash, +44 strength, speed: 6

 

So the new rune sword is 4 strength away from the "OVERPOWERED" rune scimitar stats. Does 4 strength make any difference? No. 4 strength makes a big difference. If you don't like it, then I'll nerf the stab accuracy.

 

 

 

I don't see why you even mentioned the longsword. It's useless. Sonic3190 will have a few words to say to you about that. Anyway it has +49 or so slash and +49 or so strength, making it much more accurate and strong than the scimitar. Is 1 speed important in your logic? No. So its freaking overpowered!!

 

 

 

Nerfed? It was logical that battleaxes are weaker than warhammers in strength, but more accurate.

The extra accuracy is wasted on the biased armour stats. I'm sure you planned that, thought.Heard of something called leather/hide/cloth armor? Warriors don't live alone in a world of meleers for god's sake.

 

 

 

Ok. Did you notice that ALL THE FREAKING SLASH WEAPONS ARE MUCH MORE POWERFUL THAN THE STAB/CRUSH ONES? Really stupid logic.

I didn't notice. Are you sure about that?

Erm...saw anyone walking around with a mace, warhammer, shortsword, dagger, etc before?

[Quelmotz1]

Can't you just shut the **** up and get lost. I'm leaving these stupid forums soon and I'm sick of idiots like you. Don't blame me for telling me to shut up when you make a lot of cutting comments. It won't get your freaking point through. Idiot.

 

 

 

Warning, I'm a [bleep].

 

 

 

Ok, let me take a shot at it now.

 

 

 

Rune Dagger: + 25 + 12 - 4 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 24 + 0 Speed: 6

 

 

 

New: + 27 + 12 - 4 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 24 + 0 Speed: 7

Doesn't make much sense that attacking with a dagger is faster than attacking barehanded, does it? Ok. So lets make barehanded attacking speed 25.

 

Rune Warhammer: - 4 - 4 + 53 - 4 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 48 + 0 Speed: 4

 

 

 

New: - 4 - 4 + 44 - 4 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 62 + 0 Speed: 4

Ok. Remains useless. Then show it. A onehanded weapon with 62 strength is great for strength pures. Why are you catering to pures? I thought you preferred balance. :roll:

 

 

 

Fine. Then tell me how you change it. Take a shot at doing something before criticising others. I'm sick of people who criticise others before trying to do a better job. [sarcasm] If you think you're so good, then go ahead and make your own thread with your "very good" stats then. Go. Really. My stats fail. Yours are the best in the world. [/sarcasm]

 

 

 

Rune Mace: + 20 - 2 + 39 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 36 + 4 Speed: 5

 

 

 

New: + 20 - 2 + 42 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 48 + 0 Speed: 4

[sarcasm] So you removed the only property that made the mace special and turned it into a weaker version of the rune warhammer? Brilliant. Speed, speed, speed. Prayer? who cares a .... about prayer. Tell me if you EVER USED THE FREAKING MACE FOR THE PRAYER. I do. Dragon mace has +5 prayer, I use it when I'm tanking Bandos. Without prayer bonus what it makes the mace special is gone, and speed 4, that's not even worth using, it's beyond worthless. :roll:

 

 

 

Who cares.

 

 

 

Rune Sword: + 38 + 26 - 2 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 2 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 39 + 0 Speed: 6

 

 

 

New: + 45 + 26 - 2 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 2 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 40 + 0 Speed: 6

 

 

 

Rune Scimitar: + 7 + 45 - 2 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 44 + 0 Speed: 6

 

 

 

New: + 7 + 52 - 2 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 44 + 0 Speed: 5

I like how the new stats of the rune sword are almost equal to the old stats of rune scimitar. You know, the OVERPOWERED stats. It's also awesome that you decided to make the scimitar useless. NICE FAIL. Its stats are far, far below that of the old and ....... overpowered scimitar. If you can say that, the longsword's also freaking awesome because its stats are better than the old scimitar, except for its speed. Close doesn't count as equal. Idiot. Actually they do. Rune sword is now just a stab based scimitar, people would use it instead of scimitar.

 

 

 

Ok so 4 strength doesn't make a difference. Make your own stats then.

 

 

 

Rune Battleaxe: +2 + 48 + 43 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 - 1 + 0 + 64 + 0 Speed: 4

 

 

 

New: +2 + 50 + 46 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 - 1 + 0 + 56 + 0 Speed: 4

 

Rune battleaxe was barely used anyways, so I can totally see why you nerfed it. Nerfed? It was logical that battleaxes are weaker than warhammers in strength, but more accurate. Let's see, which hurts more, a blunt weapon that hits you that you may recover from unless it's the head, or a huge axe that can cut you in half.

 

 

 

Learn some science for god's sake. A warhammer is much heavier, so it carries more kinetic energy, increasing the impact. A battleaxe wouldn't even get through the plate armor easily. Seriously.

 

 

 

Armour

So all armour has full defence against slash? Not biased at all. Ok. Did you notice that ALL THE FREAKING SLASH WEAPONS ARE MUCH MORE POWERFUL THAN THE STAB/CRUSH ONES? Really stupid logic.[/sarcasm]

[sadukar123]

Can't you just shut the **** up and get lost. I'm leaving these stupid forums soon and I'm sick of idiots like you. Don't blame me for telling me to shut up when you make a lot of cutting comments. It won't get your freaking point through. Idiot.

 

 

 

Warning, I'm a [bleep].

 

 

 

Ok, let me take a shot at it now.

 

 

 

Rune Dagger: + 25 + 12 - 4 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 24 + 0 Speed: 6

 

 

 

New: + 27 + 12 - 4 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 24 + 0 Speed: 7

Doesn't make much sense that attacking with a dagger is faster than attacking barehanded, does it? Ok. So lets make barehanded attacking speed 25.

 

Rune Warhammer: - 4 - 4 + 53 - 4 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 48 + 0 Speed: 4

 

 

 

New: - 4 - 4 + 44 - 4 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 62 + 0 Speed: 4

Ok. Remains useless. Then show it. A onehanded weapon with 62 strength is great for strength pures. Why are you catering to pures? I thought you preferred balance. :roll:

 

 

 

Fine. Then tell me how you change it. Take a shot at doing something before criticising others. I'm sick of people who criticise others before trying to do a better job. [sarcasm] If you think you're so good, then go ahead and make your own thread with your "very good" stats then. Go. Really. My stats fail. Yours are the best in the world. [/sarcasm] (+45 Crush, +55 Strength, speed 5.)

 

 

 

Rune Mace: + 20 - 2 + 39 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 36 + 4 Speed: 5

 

 

 

New: + 20 - 2 + 42 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 48 + 0 Speed: 4

[sarcasm] So you removed the only property that made the mace special and turned it into a weaker version of the rune warhammer? Brilliant. Speed, speed, speed. Prayer? who cares a .... about prayer. Tell me if you EVER USED THE FREAKING MACE FOR THE PRAYER. I do. Dragon mace has +5 prayer, I use it when I'm tanking Bandos. Without prayer bonus what it makes the mace special is gone, and speed 4, that's not even worth using, it's beyond worthless. :roll:

 

 

 

Who cares.

 

A lot of people actually. Please tell me why would you use a weaker (that's what it is...) Rune warhammer that has the same speed as it, and has no special ability whatsoever?

 

 

 

Rune Sword: + 38 + 26 - 2 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 2 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 39 + 0 Speed: 6

 

 

 

New: + 45 + 26 - 2 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 2 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 40 + 0 Speed: 6

 

 

 

Rune Scimitar: + 7 + 45 - 2 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 44 + 0 Speed: 6

 

 

 

New: + 7 + 52 - 2 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 44 + 0 Speed: 5

I like how the new stats of the rune sword are almost equal to the old stats of rune scimitar. You know, the OVERPOWERED stats. It's also awesome that you decided to make the scimitar useless. NICE FAIL. Its stats are far, far below that of the old and ....... overpowered scimitar. If you can say that, the longsword's also freaking awesome because its stats are better than the old scimitar, except for its speed. Close doesn't count as equal. Idiot. Actually they do. Rune sword is now just a stab based scimitar, people would use it instead of scimitar.

 

 

 

Ok so 4 strength doesn't make a difference. Make your own stats then.

 

I don't need to, I'm not advocating changing Rune scimitar.

 

Rune Battleaxe: +2 + 48 + 43 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 - 1 + 0 + 64 + 0 Speed: 4

 

 

 

New: +2 + 50 + 46 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 - 1 + 0 + 56 + 0 Speed: 4

 

Rune battleaxe was barely used anyways, so I can totally see why you nerfed it. Nerfed? It was logical that battleaxes are weaker than warhammers in strength, but more accurate. Let's see, which hurts more, a blunt weapon that hits you that you may recover from unless it's the head, or a huge axe that can cut you in half.

 

 

 

Learn some science for god's sake. A warhammer is much heavier, so it carries more kinetic energy, increasing the impact. A battleaxe wouldn't even get through the plate armor easily. Seriously.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_hammer As you can see, REAL LIFE war hammers are SMALLER than battle axes. Axe wouldn't get through, it will CUT YOU IN HALF.

 

 

 

 

 

Armour

So all armour has full defence against slash? Not biased at all. Ok. Did you notice that ALL THE FREAKING SLASH WEAPONS ARE MUCH MORE POWERFUL THAN THE STAB/CRUSH ONES? Really stupid logic.[/sarcasm]

 

 

 

Gee, why the second account, first one was banned?

[Youmu]

Wow, so much has happened while I was gone.

 

 

 

Guys, please stop arguing on my thread. If you want to argue, go do it somewhere else. You guys are filling up this thread with arguments that eventually lead to nowhere.

 

I like most of your ideas. I would really like the other weapons to become usable: I like the idea of using a mace, but statistically, there's just no point.

 

Check the stat changes. The idea for using the mace is mainly because of the prayer bonus, which no other weapon has achieved.

 

Not everybody is a pker. It's people like you who ruin the game for the rest of us. The ONLY thing I agree with is the d claw spec.

 

I'm not a PKer either. In fact I think PKing is overrated too. I think that weapons and armors are way too far off the edge now, some too overpowered, some too useless. I wanted stuff to be balanced so they actually have a use. That is why I created this suggestion.

 

 

 

Oh, by the way, if you are a supporter, please say so, or else I do not know who to add on the support list.

[Quelmotz1]

Wow, so much has happened while I was gone.

 

 

 

Guys, please stop arguing on my thread. If you want to argue, go do it somewhere else. You guys are filling up this thread with arguments that eventually lead to nowhere.

 

I like most of your ideas. I would really like the other weapons to become usable: I like the idea of using a mace, but statistically, there's just no point.

 

Check the stat changes. The idea for using the mace is mainly because of the prayer bonus, which no other weapon has achieved.

 

Not everybody is a pker. It's people like you who ruin the game for the rest of us. The ONLY thing I agree with is the d claw spec.

 

I'm not a PKer either. In fact I think PKing is overrated too. I think that weapons and armors are way too far off the edge now, some too overpowered, some too useless. I wanted stuff to be balanced so they actually have a use. That is why I created this suggestion.

 

 

 

Oh, by the way, if you are a supporter, please say so, or else I do not know who to add on the support list.

 

 

 

Sorry, but that idiot really gets on my nerves. You know who I'm talking about.

 

 

 

 

 

Can't you just shut the **** up and get lost. I'm leaving these stupid forums soon and I'm sick of idiots like you. Don't blame me for telling me to shut up when you make a lot of cutting comments. It won't get your freaking point through. Idiot.

 

 

 

Warning, I'm a [bleep].

 

 

 

Ok, let me take a shot at it now.

 

 

 

Rune Dagger: + 25 + 12 - 4 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 24 + 0 Speed: 6

 

 

 

New: + 27 + 12 - 4 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 24 + 0 Speed: 7

Doesn't make much sense that attacking with a dagger is faster than attacking barehanded, does it? Ok. So lets make barehanded attacking speed 25.

 

Rune Warhammer: - 4 - 4 + 53 - 4 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 48 + 0 Speed: 4

 

 

 

New: - 4 - 4 + 44 - 4 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 62 + 0 Speed: 4

Ok. Remains useless. Then show it. A onehanded weapon with 62 strength is great for strength pures. Why are you catering to pures? I thought you preferred balance. :roll:

 

 

 

Fine. Then tell me how you change it. Take a shot at doing something before criticising others. I'm sick of people who criticise others before trying to do a better job. [sarcasm] If you think you're so good, then go ahead and make your own thread with your "very good" stats then. Go. Really. My stats fail. Yours are the best in the world. [/sarcasm] (+45 Crush, +55 Strength, speed 5.)

 

 

 

Rune Mace: + 20 - 2 + 39 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 36 + 4 Speed: 5

 

 

 

New: + 20 - 2 + 42 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 48 + 0 Speed: 4

[sarcasm] So you removed the only property that made the mace special and turned it into a weaker version of the rune warhammer? Brilliant. Speed, speed, speed. Prayer? who cares a .... about prayer. Tell me if you EVER USED THE FREAKING MACE FOR THE PRAYER. I do. Dragon mace has +5 prayer, I use it when I'm tanking Bandos. Without prayer bonus what it makes the mace special is gone, and speed 4, that's not even worth using, it's beyond worthless. :roll:

 

 

 

Who cares.

 

A lot of people actually. Please tell me why would you use a weaker (that's what it is...) Rune warhammer that has the same speed as it, and has no special ability whatsoever?

 

 

 

Rune Sword: + 38 + 26 - 2 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 2 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 39 + 0 Speed: 6

 

 

 

New: + 45 + 26 - 2 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 2 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 40 + 0 Speed: 6

 

 

 

Rune Scimitar: + 7 + 45 - 2 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 44 + 0 Speed: 6

 

 

 

New: + 7 + 52 - 2 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 44 + 0 Speed: 5

I like how the new stats of the rune sword are almost equal to the old stats of rune scimitar. You know, the OVERPOWERED stats. It's also awesome that you decided to make the scimitar useless. NICE FAIL. Its stats are far, far below that of the old and ....... overpowered scimitar. If you can say that, the longsword's also freaking awesome because its stats are better than the old scimitar, except for its speed. Close doesn't count as equal. Idiot. Actually they do. Rune sword is now just a stab based scimitar, people would use it instead of scimitar.

 

 

 

Ok so 4 strength doesn't make a difference. Make your own stats then.

 

I don't need to, I'm not advocating changing Rune scimitar.

 

Rune Battleaxe: +2 + 48 + 43 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 - 1 + 0 + 64 + 0 Speed: 4

 

 

 

New: +2 + 50 + 46 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 - 1 + 0 + 56 + 0 Speed: 4

 

Rune battleaxe was barely used anyways, so I can totally see why you nerfed it. Nerfed? It was logical that battleaxes are weaker than warhammers in strength, but more accurate. Let's see, which hurts more, a blunt weapon that hits you that you may recover from unless it's the head, or a huge axe that can cut you in half.

 

 

 

Learn some science for god's sake. A warhammer is much heavier, so it carries more kinetic energy, increasing the impact. A battleaxe wouldn't even get through the plate armor easily. Seriously.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_hammer As you can see, REAL LIFE war hammers are SMALLER than battle axes. Axe wouldn't get through, it will CUT YOU IN HALF.

 

 

 

 

 

Armour

So all armour has full defence against slash? Not biased at all. Ok. Did you notice that ALL THE FREAKING SLASH WEAPONS ARE MUCH MORE POWERFUL THAN THE STAB/CRUSH ONES? Really stupid logic.[/sarcasm]

 

 

 

Gee, why the second account, first one was banned?

 

 

 

About the mace. Its one speed faster than the warhammer :roll: :roll:

 

 

 

About the warhammer. Wikipedia's warhammers =/= all warhammers. Warhammer: A hammer used for war. So it could be anything from a smith's hammer used to smash people up to huge pole-arm like mauls. Warhammers being SMALLER than battleaxes =/= warhammers being LIGHTER than them. Seriously, what grade did you get for science? Fail? Nice oxymoron there. Something not being able to get through your armor can cut you in half? Wow. Amazing. You mean it can teleport through your armor, chop you in half, and teleport out again on the other side without scratching your armor? Astonishing. I must get one of those myself.

 

 

 

First account was TEMPORARILY banned for a stupid bias reason. See: viewtopic.php?f=30&t=594522&start=580. Last page. Though I won't be leaving, its the only place I can put where a mod won't lock it... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[sadukar123]

YOU made the mace have speed FOUR, I don't think 4>4. :roll:

 

 

 

You really have overestimated how strong medieval armour was, a simple arrow or crossbow bolt can penetrate armour EASILY. You'd know a huge bladed axe can slice through it easier. A warhammer can best do...what? Crushes a part of the armour? So deadly man, so deadly.

 

 

 

Nice personal attacks, I can see why you are banned. =D>

[Youmu]

YOU made the mace have speed FOUR, I don't think 4>4. :roll:

 

 

 

You really have overestimated how strong medieval armour was, a simple arrow or crossbow bolt can penetrate armour EASILY. You'd know a huge bladed axe can slice through it easier. A warhammer can best do...what? Crushes a part of the armour? So deadly man, so deadly.

 

 

 

Nice personal attacks, I can see why you are banned. =D>

 

Yeah. Quelmotz, I have already made stat changes on the front page. A mace is weaker than a warhammer, it should NOT be the same speed. Oh and try not to get into flame wars with other people, not only did this spam up my suggestion quite a bit, but your old account ended up being banned. Please be careful.

 

 

 

Oh, and Sadukar, RuneScape is a game. Anything can happen in it. Even a bent scimitar can surpass the mighty longsword. Real life has nothing to do with this suggestion so please stop mentioning it.

 

 

 

I shall have to say it again: The purpose of this suggestion is to change weapons/armor a bit so they actually have a use, because weapons like shortsword are utterly useless, and armor like chainmail just suck. If you wish to debate about this, go to the Debate Club, or return to that Rant named "Crushing and Stabbing weps never used". Do not debate on my thread.

[Sir_Kurity]

Yea, its a game.

 

 

 

Some things are just better than realism.

[sadukar123]

Yea, its a game.

 

 

 

Some things are just better than realism.

 

Yes, however Quelmotz keep mentioning how spears were used by armies of *insert here*, so I did too.

 

 

 

Sonic, all I have to say that is you have good intentions, however even if you change the weapons a lot, there would only be 1 good weapon, and everyone would use it.