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~~~ Jagex's Mass RWT Ban Cover-up ~~~


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Oh k, so i was wrong.



Then he should be unbanned =D.
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According to the terms and conditions, we can all get banned for no apparent reason with no refund of members credit and no explanation whatsoever.



That dosen't mean its a good thing to do...




False. Again, see the Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations 1999 and Unfair Contract Terms Act 1977.



Regulation 5(1)[3] sets defines the principle of unfair.



* Has not been individually negotiated[4]

* Causes significant imbalance in the parties rights and obligations.

* Contrary to the requirement of good faith.




Basically, if they can ban members without reason, they are in reality selling nothing while claiming to sell a game. That is called fraud.



Manufacturers' guarantee. s5(1), loss arising from (a) defective goods or (B) negligence of distributor; cannot be excluded where goods are "of a type ordinarily supplied for private use or consumption.

The manufacturer (Jagex) is responsible of the sold product (membership credit) being not defect. It cannot be excluded by the terms and conditions.



Regulation 8 provides that an unfair term "shall not be binding upon the consumer".




For every member ban there MUST be a valid reason. Otherwise Jagex is committing fraud (an intentional deception made for personal gain or to damage another individual) which is a serious crime that can result in jail sentence.



I suggest anyone who is a member and has been banned for no reason to contact the consumer protection authorities. If the authorities tell that Jagex is wrong, and Jagex doesn't still do anything about it (refunding or fixing the defect product), you should send a crime report to the police or directly sue Jagex.



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The part "we may stop an account for any reason" has been removed from the T&C long time ago, most likely because police, court or some other authorities have told Jagex that it is illegal.






Thanks very much for your time and advice. I would never have even considered notifying higher authorities of this situation, since I'm one of those people that skims through the T&C, and doesn't take anything in.



I'll most definitely be taking your advice and I'll contact the consumer protection authorities if my appeal is denied. I know for a FACT that I was wrongly banned since I've NEVER RWT'ed.



Thanks again for your help, much appreciated :)
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Jagex are obliged to show the consumer protection authorities and the police the evidence that they have in banning a player right?



And if they ban a player for RWT'ing, an unbalanced trade wouldn't be sufficient evidence and Jagex could get sued (possibly if they've banned a lot of members with their evidence being an unbalanced trade), or the player WILL be refunded and get their account back, right?



If anyone happens to know, I'd appreciate it.
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If Jagex prove they have credible evidence to back up their suspicions, then nothing would happen.



Oh, and you could only really sue for damages. Enjoy your 1 month membership fee. I'm sure its going ot make the costs of sueing totally worth it.
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If Jagex prove they have credible evidence to back up their suspicions, then nothing would happen.



Oh, and you could only really sue for damages. Enjoy your 1 month membership fee. I'm sure its going ot make the costs of sueing totally worth it.




Sarcasm isn't appreciated. I understand that you believe I RWt'ed because Jagex banned me for it, and like I said, I don't blame you for it.



I'm asking the questions simply to understand a bit more.

I would have no intention to even consider trying to bring an end to Runescape, unless the day I quit, my account was still banned.



So basically, since they have don't have evidence of a RWT, they'd be forced to un-ban me, and others that were banned purely due to unbalanced trades.
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Bad Jagex BAD!!!.



But to be honest, not totally unexpected.




now that's been said over the years :lol:
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If Jagex prove they have credible evidence to back up their suspicions, then nothing would happen.



Oh, and you could only really sue for damages. Enjoy your 1 month membership fee. I'm sure its going ot make the costs of sueing totally worth it.




Sarcasm isn't appreciated. I understand that you believe I RWt'ed because Jagex banned me for it, and like I said, I don't blame you for it.



I'm asking the questions simply to understand a bit more.

I would have no intention to even consider trying to bring an end to Runescape, unless the day I quit, my account was still banned.



So basically, since they have don't have evidence of a RWT, they'd be forced to un-ban me, and others that were banned purely due to unbalanced trades.




Oh, I was more making of a point of the "sue Jagex" attitude. You can only sue for damages, so you want your month memebership fee back? Then go ahead and sue, just remember the costs of actually doing so outweigh what you get back.
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If Jagex prove they have credible evidence to back up their suspicions, then nothing would happen.



Oh, and you could only really sue for damages. Enjoy your 1 month membership fee. I'm sure its going ot make the costs of sueing totally worth it.




Sarcasm isn't appreciated. I understand that you believe I RWt'ed because Jagex banned me for it, and like I said, I don't blame you for it.



I'm asking the questions simply to understand a bit more.

I would have no intention to even consider trying to bring an end to Runescape, unless the day I quit, my account was still banned.



So basically, since they have don't have evidence of a RWT, they'd be forced to un-ban me, and others that were banned purely due to unbalanced trades.




Oh, I was more making of a point of the "sue Jagex" attitude. You can only sue for damages, so you want your month memebership fee back? Then go ahead and sue, just remember the costs of actually doing so outweigh what you get back.




punitive damages anyone? You could get alot more than actual membership damages if you sued jagex in court. Also just because a contract says something doesn't mean that contract will hold up in court. just fyi.
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My Prediction:



"You have entered the court room of Judge Judy. The plaintiff, who goes by the username KEWLGUY582734 is suing the defendant, Jagex Ltd. claiming he was banned from their game "for no reason"



Bailiff: All rise!

Judge: Sit, sit. And there I was thinking you couldn't get any worse than the rednecks I constantly have on my show. Now. Opening statement from the defense?

Jagex: Here are the records that show why the player was banned. We are not permitted to make this evidence public, due to the confidential nature of our detection process.

Judge: There you have it. Plaintiff?

Plaintiff: BUT DERE BEEING NAZZEEES N U JUST WERK 4 DEM!

Judge: I find in favor of the defendant, and order the plaintiff to two hundred hours of community service, outside.

Plaintiff: Why community service?

Judge: He looks like he could use some sun and social contact. Case over, who wants quesadillas?



Next day on the news



Anchor: In other news, landmark case of what is being called Goliath vs, ended today after about five minutes. The case did teach us some important lessons, said the judge, in just how court proceedings can sink in the facepalming department. At the top of the hour, popular judge commits suicide after aforementioned case. Her suicide note said "I deal with hillbillies every day on my show, but this takes the cake". In other related news, the father of the plaintiff was allegedly spotted punching his son in the head, muttering about honor, public decency, and not shaming the family. Police are currently looking for the man to question him.



Like Runescape can take yet another blow to the image of it's average user.
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How do you come up with this stuff? :lol:

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If Jagex prove they have credible evidence to back up their suspicions, then nothing would happen.



Oh, and you could only really sue for damages. Enjoy your 1 month membership fee. I'm sure its going ot make the costs of sueing totally worth it.




Sarcasm isn't appreciated. I understand that you believe I RWt'ed because Jagex banned me for it, and like I said, I don't blame you for it.



I'm asking the questions simply to understand a bit more.

I would have no intention to even consider trying to bring an end to Runescape, unless the day I quit, my account was still banned.



So basically, since they have don't have evidence of a RWT, they'd be forced to un-ban me, and others that were banned purely due to unbalanced trades.




Oh, I was more making of a point of the "sue Jagex" attitude. You can only sue for damages, so you want your month memebership fee back? Then go ahead and sue, just remember the costs of actually doing so outweigh what you get back.




punitive damages anyone? You could get alot more than actual membership damages if you sued jagex in court. Also just because a contract says something doesn't mean that contract will hold up in court. just fyi.




Tell that to the guys who wants to sue M$ over live being down for a few hours or a day, I forget which.



Basically, the guy has agreed his account is property of Jagex, and he can only really sue for damages suffered. I.E. The price of 1 months membership.



I can't see it holding much basis in court, people just need to read before they agree.
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Enough talk about Court and sueing Jagex.



Has anyone that appealed for a ban received a reply yet? It's been 11 days since I appealed.

I'm hoping this means they're checking through each appeal thoroughly, rather than them covering up some sort of difficulty with responding to appeals.
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Point is, if hes telling the truth, what jagex is doing is wrong.
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Point is, if hes telling the truth, what jagex is doing is wrong.




Thank you.

I AM telling the truth, and Jagex ARE doing wrong.



I wouldn't be pleading Jagex to investigate my account thoroughly 26 months after I was banned if all they'd find there is proof of a RWT.
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They were hysterical about RWT, I'm not suprised that there were random bans and blunders.
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They were hysterical about RWT, I'm not suprised that there were random bans and blunders.




Yes they were. And I understand now why they panicked and banned anything that looked suspicious. But after the GE and trade limit came into place, RWT'ing hardly existed (I think) and they released Account Reviewing. I would have thought that at this time, they would un-ban those that were banned for RWT'ing with only an unbalanced trade as evidence. However, the fact that my appeal was denied, and that I've never seen/heard of someone accused of RWT'ing being un-banned is a joke.



I'm hoping that with this new Appeal System they'll finally look into it properly.
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Unfair, yes. But what can you do about it? Jagex owns your account, not you. Legally, they can do whatever they please.

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Hey tugrul...



I believe you! :mrgreen: I was banned too in 2007 for RWT which i never did. I was simply killing the kalphite queen with a couple of guys then I got a dragon chain drop. So we go to a bank and I give one of them the chain and he gives my 1/3 of its value(like 4 millions at that time). He gives the third partner another third and then go sell the chain and make his profit; the remaining third. The next day the 3 of us get banned for Real World Trading!!



I appealed immediately and thought that it's just a misunderstanding and they will apologize and unban me. That was what I expected from Jagex at that time.



But Jagex shows their real face and I get my appeal denied. I sent this last chance appeal which was denied too







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So after 2 years of honest playing through and achieving many 99s including slayer and over 150 million Exp, I was banned because I shared a drop with my partners.



Anyway I got over it and quit RS for good afterwards. But what really annoyed me those arrogant people judging others like "If you got banned, you must have deserved it!"



Good job Jagex, I really had a unique gaming experience...

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By the way, I used this 2nd chance appeal and as I expected they denied it again.



what can I say? they are just NAZIS!!

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Jagex really isn't above fear tactics. Remember that old times article that Andrew demanded be removed or Tip.it would be sued? Or when the RWT updates went through and several high profile stakers and Pkers, the one I remember being FookingNuts, were banned out of the blue?



So I do believe your story and I do believe that Jagex shuts down threads simply to keep the word from getting out. Bad for business, eh?



Furthermore, in the past Jagex has proven to be, as a whole, remarkable pigheaded. They would rarely, if ever, admit to wrong doing and often praised their amazing detection techniques. The new administration, maybe not so much, I'm not sure yet.

If the CORPORAL beast is this hard, imagine how hard a GENERAL or COLONEL beast would be. a corporal is not even an admirable rank in armies that use that ranking system.


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