Goonstalf Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Because it's not about luxuries anymore. It's about basic needs. Unemployment is at a record high. The value of a college education is plummeting while the cost of a college education is sky rocketing. And while the middle class is shrinking and the lower class is suffering, the rich continue to profit off of them. All the Occupy Movement is trying to do is show the unfairness of the situation. They're not "whining" about not having things, they're telling it how it is. The continuing decline in equal treatment of U.S. citizens is outrageous and nothing is being done to stop it. I'm going to milk Goon's teats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dax Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 And then I posted. #KERR2016/17/18/19/20/21. #rpgformod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanyTheSailor Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Because it's not about luxuries anymore. It's about basic needs. Unemployment is at a record high. The value of a college education is plummeting while the cost of a college education is sky rocketing. And while the middle class is shrinking and the lower class is suffering, the rich continue to profit off of them. All the Occupy Movement is trying to do is show the unfairness of the situation. They're not "whining" about not having things, they're telling it how it is. The continuing decline in equal treatment of U.S. citizens is outrageous and nothing is being done to stop it.Basic. Needs. Right. http://blog.heritage.org/2011/07/18/morning-bell-what-is-poverty-in-america/ This site is known to be conservative, but just look at the graphs. I didn't even have a bunch of those things growing up. Now let us consider places where poverty is real. Like in India where people take loans they cant pay off and then literally work in quarries for the rest of their life to pay it off. Children work in rug factories in horrendous conditions, inhaling the fibers, and many will probably die before adulthood because of it. Lets not even get into Africa. But no, because the population has been mind-[bleep]ed into believing college is his only way to succeed. And so you go, get a degree believing it will catapult you to the stars, when in reality it's like a lottery ticket for a good job, with no guarantees. And better yet we grow up with an entitlement attitude! So we deserve those nice things because we're average! Yeah! I do my job to an average extent, so I should get rewarded left and right! Or, I do it really well some times, and below average most of the time, so I deserve reward! I see it all the time with people of all ages, and unfortunately in my beloved Navy, and it disgusts me. Another thing that blows my mind is that people seem to think those rich people didn't earn their money. Granted many of them inherited their wealth, so because it was their predecessors who worked hard so that they could have a good life they don't deserve it. It absolutely boggles my mind. God dammit Seany, STOP SHARING MY MIND" I believe in something greater than myself. A better world. A world without sin. I'm not going to live there. There's no place for me there... I'm a monster.What I do is evil. I have no illusions about it, but it must be done." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goonstalf Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Of course poverty is more prevalent in third-world countries. I'm not arguing that conditions are worse in other areas of the world. I don't really understand why you're making half of the points you're making. I said it before, all Occupy Wall Street is after is a more equal wealth distribution, bank reform, and a reduction of the influence of corporations on politics. It's the fact the Exon-Mobil can profit $19,000,000,000, receive a $156,000,000 federal tax rebate, and NOT pay an income tax. 10% of Americans possess over 80% of all stock market wealth and profit billions off it, while taxes on profit made from stocks is drastically lower than the income tax on the wages working Americans make. People want to see that change. And of course not all college degrees are a ticket to success. Many jobless students you see are those who pursued a degree in things such as Women's Studies and Activities Management. EDIT: Um, you're graphs are from 2005. Almost 7 years ago and 3 years before our current economic recession began. I'm going to milk Goon's teats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanyTheSailor Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Of course poverty is more prevalent in third-world countries. I'm not arguing that conditions are worse in other areas of the world. I don't really understand why you're making half of the points you're making. I said it before, all Occupy Wall Street is after is a more equal wealth distribution, bank reform, and a reduction of the influence of corporations on politics. It's the fact the Exon-Mobil can profit $19,000,000,000, receive a $156,000,000 federal tax rebate, and NOT pay an income tax. 10% of Americans possess over 80% of all stock market wealth and profit billions off it, while taxes on profit made from stocks is drastically lower than the income tax working Americans make. People want to see that change. And of course not all college degrees are a ticket to success. Many jobless students you see are those who pursued a degree in things such as Women's Studies and Activities Management.I'm pointing out that poverty in America isn't really poverty. If you redistribute wealth, it'll be back the way it is within a year, I damn near guarantee it. because the people who are willing to sacrifice, and do the work to become rich will, and the people who make the foolish decisions to put themselves in the situations they're in will do it all over again. Bank reform I'm not terribly well informed on so I can't comment on that. And if you took corporations out of politics you'd just have the super rich people they hate running for office, because they'd be the only ones with the money to finance the campaigns. As for the tax system, I agree that needs reformed, but I'm in favor of a flat rate rather than "make the rich pay everything". And why should Americans be penalized for being intelligent enough to invest their money, helping American businesses, so that the businesses create jobs, and the investors gain money. Edit: So you think everyone sold their AC, hot tubs, turned off their cable and satellite? I doubt it. A lot. Part of the reason this recession happened is because as soon as people heard there might be one they stopped doing ANYTHING economically. God dammit Seany, STOP SHARING MY MIND" I believe in something greater than myself. A better world. A world without sin. I'm not going to live there. There's no place for me there... I'm a monster.What I do is evil. I have no illusions about it, but it must be done." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goonstalf Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Even if you have the ability and drive to do the work to become rich, chances are you won't make it. The rags to riches stories everyone always likes to point out is one in a million. I'm not really sure I understood the point you made about corporations and people they hate running for office. But take a look at the Federal Reserve Bank. 18 of it's Board of Governors were found to have serious conflicts of interest during a Congressional Audit. These are the men that decide who gets bailouts, who they buy bonds from, who gets "stimulus" handouts. These are the men that print our money. As for the flat tax rate, sure, if it's fair it's fair. I'm going to milk Goon's teats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaah Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 /FG/First thread post to when I joined the family.[hide=Insert rant here]blahblahblahLIFE[/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanyTheSailor Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Even if you have the ability and drive to do the work to become rich, chances are you won't make it. The rags to riches stories everyone always likes to point out is one in a million. I'm not really sure I understood the point you made about corporations and people they hate running for office. But take a look at the Federal Reserve Bank. 18 of it's Board of Governors were found to have serious conflicts of interest during a Congressional Audit. These are the men that decide who gets bailouts, who they buy bonds from, who gets "stimulus" handouts. These are the men that print our money. As for the flat rate, sure, if it's fair it's fair.As for being fabulously wealthy, like Donald Trump rich yeah, it's not common but there are literally millions of millionaires in America, it's not that uncommon. Anyone can be wealthy in America. Occupy Wall Street hates the super rich. So if you took the corporations out of politics the only people who possibly could run for office would be the super rich. As for the federal reserve, NOBODY should get bailouts. At all. Period, stroke, nothing. And stimulus packages have repeatedly been shown not to work. Not sure what you're saying about the flat rate. I think you're saying if it's a fair rate it's fair, but I'm not sure. God dammit Seany, STOP SHARING MY MIND" I believe in something greater than myself. A better world. A world without sin. I'm not going to live there. There's no place for me there... I'm a monster.What I do is evil. I have no illusions about it, but it must be done." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goonstalf Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Yeah, I was for your flat rate, as long as it was reasonable. And I would disagree on the hatred of the super rich though. It's not the rich themselves, it's the special treatment they receive. The rich have the means of making or breaking a politician, and because of this they are pandered to by our Government. Whether we like it or not, our Gov't hands out bail outs. And personally, I would rather have honest men and women in charge than the ones we have.* Worded that wrong. I'm going to milk Goon's teats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanyTheSailor Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Yeah, I was for your flat rate, as long as it was reasonable. And I would disagree on the hatred of the super rich though. It's not the rich themselves, it's the special treatment they receive. The rich have the means of making or breaking a politician, and because of this they are pandered to by our Government. Whether we like it or not, our Gov't hands out bail outs. And personally, I would rather have honest men and women in charge of those than the ones we have.I'm not sure it's possible to be honest in modern politics. God dammit Seany, STOP SHARING MY MIND" I believe in something greater than myself. A better world. A world without sin. I'm not going to live there. There's no place for me there... I'm a monster.What I do is evil. I have no illusions about it, but it must be done." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goonstalf Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Which brings up my point on corporations dominating politics. It's a terrible way of doing things, but as long as we have these systems in place and no one with the power who is willing to change them then we're shit out of luck. These movements are telling people that. And now we have things like SOPA. The people don't want this, yet it's made it all the way to today's Judiciary Committee Hearing. Why? Because it was pushed here with all the force big business could muster. I'm going to milk Goon's teats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dax Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 You guys still talking about stuff I don't care about? Back to other places. #KERR2016/17/18/19/20/21. #rpgformod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goonstalf Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 But yeah. Good debaite. :thumbup: Pats on the back for everybody. I'm going to milk Goon's teats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extremetexanfan Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Pats on the back for everybody.Ow... my back hurts. And that was my story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaah Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 /FG/First thread post to when I joined the family.[hide=Insert rant here]blahblahblahLIFE[/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goonstalf Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 DEAL WITH IT. MORE PATS. MORE PATS! I'm going to milk Goon's teats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaah Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 DEAL WITH IT. MORE CATS. MORE CATS! /FG/First thread post to when I joined the family.[hide=Insert rant here]blahblahblahLIFE[/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2PM Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 And I missed the shitstorm. "Let your anger be as a monkey in a piñata... hiding amongst the candy... hoping the kids don't break through with the stick." - Master Tang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dax Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 DEAL WITH IT. MORE CATS. MORE CATS! I am ok with this. #KERR2016/17/18/19/20/21. #rpgformod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2PM Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Cats? Cats. "Let your anger be as a monkey in a piñata... hiding amongst the candy... hoping the kids don't break through with the stick." - Master Tang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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H2PM Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS CAT IMAGE CAT IMAGE CAT IMAGE CAT IMAGE CAT IMAGE CAT IMAGE CAT IMAGE CAT IMAGE CAT IMAGE CAT IMAGE CAT IMAGE CAT IMAGE CAT IMAGE CAT IMAGE CAT IMAGE CAT IMAGE CAT IMAGE CAT IMAGE CAT IMAGE CAT IMAGE CAT IMAGE CAT IMAGE CAT IMAGE CAT IMAGE CAT IMAGE CAT IMAGE This thread in one post. "Let your anger be as a monkey in a piñata... hiding amongst the candy... hoping the kids don't break through with the stick." - Master Tang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaah Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Hmmph hungry, where is my food /FG/First thread post to when I joined the family.[hide=Insert rant here]blahblahblahLIFE[/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Had dinner, now eating instant ramen. [spoiler=Quotes]Goddammit Monk, stop being so full of win.I am Monk's [bleep] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2PM Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Mmmm. ramen. "Let your anger be as a monkey in a piñata... hiding amongst the candy... hoping the kids don't break through with the stick." - Master Tang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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