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[The Dark Lord]

Dusty, I think this is how Norway's land was pre-war. Would this be okay?

 

http://www.esnips.com/doc/0e55afbe-2ad0-42ec-b999-b25346c9cdfa/map2

 

The link's broken.

 

By the way, Malaysia has claim to New Zealand or whatever.

 

Malaysia has also annexed what used to be the Taiwanese Empire.

[Wisp]

Dusty, I think this is how Norway's land was pre-war. Would this be okay?

 

http://www.esnips.com/doc/0e55afbe-2ad0-42ec-b999-b25346c9cdfa/map2

 

The link's broken.

 

By the way, Malaysia has claim to New Zealand or whatever.

Bleh, I can't figure E-snips out. It works when I'm signed in, even though that's the url I'm supposed to use to share I think.

[Retech]

Try Photobucket! :)

[Nero]

Dusty, I think this is how Norway's land was pre-war. Would this be okay?

 

http://www.esnips.com/doc/0e55afbe-2ad0-42ec-b999-b25346c9cdfa/map2

 

The link's broken.

 

By the way, Malaysia has claim to New Zealand or whatever.

Bleh, I can't figure E-snips out. It works when I'm signed in, even though that's the url I'm supposed to use to share I think.

No worries, I know what his lands were before (Norway, Finland, Estonia, Lativa, Lithuania).

 

Malaysia has also annexed what used to be the Taiwanese Empire.

:o

Penguin quit or something?

[Seraphi]

Most of my shipyards are on Earth at the moment. They take their journey from Earth to space once, which is why they have external fuel tanks. After that, the external fuel tanks are removed and they are refueled from the battlestation orbiting Earth.

And this allows you to research your stuff faster how?

 

You still didn't explain how you managed to get a fleet bigger than most of the other players in about 1/3 of the time.

 

First off, you need to put a bit of research into creating shipyards and such, and what sort of weapons do your battleships use? You need to research them to, since most weaponry behaves differently in space. Along with habitability in space, since up till now you only used troop transports, but battleship crews need to be on the ship constantly. How did you sort out gravity and the issue of weakened bone structure and such?

[The Dark Lord]

Yeah, Penguin quit. I think Grim got everything he had on Earth, and Rpg got everything he had in space. Something like that.

[Wisp]

We need to get a system down for production station building.

 

Ok, this is it as of now:

One station= 5,000 production points. 25 years if being build by a single production station.

One ship that can deploy into a station= 10,000 points. 50 years by a single station, but allows better colony growth.

 

On land, we'll say it takes a minimum of 15 years to build, but at huge cost.

 

EDIT: Dusty, this is what Norway will have. Unless indy comes back and wants whatever I missed.

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/2329/norway.png

[Retech]

Most of my shipyards are on Earth at the moment. They take their journey from Earth to space once, which is why they have external fuel tanks. After that, the external fuel tanks are removed and they are refueled from the battlestation orbiting Earth.

And this allows you to research your stuff faster how?

 

You still didn't explain how you managed to get a fleet bigger than most of the other players in about 1/3 of the time.

 

First off, you need to put a bit of research into creating shipyards and such, and what sort of weapons do your battleships use? You need to research them to, since most weaponry behaves differently in space. Along with habitability in space, since up till now you only used troop transports, but battleship crews need to be on the ship constantly. How did you sort out gravity and the issue of weakened bone structure and such?

 

 

Shipyards: Didn't know I had to research them, the yards themselves don't need researching

It allows stuff to be built faster, as I have the full capacity of the planet rather than just the shipyard in space.

 

Weaponary does behave differently in space, but using existing weaponary and modifying it (21st century tech) is cheaper than creating all new weapons. Modification wouldn't be hard, just figure out how to change propulsion.

 

Gravity: Who needs gravity when people can float? There are just handle bars to allow people to go along

 

Weakened bone structure: One word, cartilage.

[Seraphi]

Look, what I'm basically saying is that it is completely stupid that you can build a fleet bigger than most other people in the thread in about 1/3 of the time.

Dumb it down a bit, and I'll stop moaning, kay?

 

Also, since what doom said, you can't have that many production stations anyway.

 

How many points does each production station give again?

[Retech]

I didn't really have a model to base it on, since all of you were making these massive fleets, so I just scaled back on that. I'll just halt spaceship production for 10 years to compensate.

[Retech]

Oh yes, and cut down the production rates.

 

All my shipyards are retooling to construct battleships with some energy weapons. This will make battleship construction slower, but will equip them with energy weapons.

 

How long should it take to make a basic ion cannon? How bout an ion torpedo?

[Seraphi]

In that case, I create a superfleet of 1000 Heavy battleships, 100 super heavy battleships and 50 ultra battleships, and I'll just halt production for the next 100 years to compensate.

 

No.

 

Ask Rocco about Ion cannons. But I assume they'll be weaker than most peoples, since most people put a continuous research project on their weapons (Hell, thats what I did with my lasers, they've had about 35 trillion thrown into them so far)

[Retech]

Well like I stated before, I was retooling my fleet, so I can't use them for combat for the 10 years. :)

 

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They will be weaker, just basic ones incase Arch ever decides to try and steal my planet again. :)

[Nero]

Take it to the other thread please.

[Retech]

What other thread?

 

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We're not arguing; he's helping me find a balance for my fleet. Ross is good at making sure I don't go crazy with my production, and he gives me a basis on which to compare with.

[ThurinEthir]

:o

Penguin quit or something?

Yeah, something like that.

I don't really care who gets my stuff, to be honest. Just figured that since grim is my last (former) ally on Earth (I think) so it would make the most sense if he gets that stuff. Sort of randomly picked Rpg to get my Zhoreuc colony, though I guess there was some bias.

Oh and I was never an empire lol.

[The Dark Lord]

What other thread?

 

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We're not arguing; he's helping me find a balance for my fleet. Ross is good at making sure I don't go crazy with my production, and he gives me a basis on which to compare with.

 

http://forum.tip.it/topic/251910-hegemony-argument-thread/

 

Use that thread, please, unless you want to get this thread locked for a day again.

[Wisp]

Each production station give 200 base points. Ross, you'd probably get around 25% extra due to various researchs and your race. So you'd get 250 per.

 

Hmm, in 100 years, if I spent the next 50 on production stations, I could have:

500 Ultra Battleships

1000 Super Battleships

and 520 Heavy Battleships.

Heh

[Retech]

How much is the base production point amount and how much does each additional production station cost?

[Seraphi]

Okay, and what are the ship production rates?

 

I'll come up with some modifiers once I know how many points each ship/defensive structure takes.

 

I need to start my fleet from scratch, since I cannibalized them all to turn Sega-Res into a defensive structure riddled fortress.

I think Sega-Res has a defensive bonus of 9,900,000 without modifiers at the current time.

[Wisp]

How much is the base production point amount and how much does each additional production station cost?

Price is kinda relative these days. I have no idea. A few hundred billion to a trillion probably.

 

Ross, what do you mean? The basic production points are:

 

Fighter=1

Escort=5

Battleship=10

Heavy Battleship=100

Super Battleship=1000

Ultra Heavy=2000

[Retech]

I'm rather confused now. Can someone post a comprehensive list so I can get this all straightened out?

 

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I thought you said that you construct production stations with production points, but how do you construct production stations to make those production points unless you already have production points. Just like the chicken or the egg. :)

[Seraphi]

Thats all I needed to know, Doom.

I'm going to come up with racial modifiers for my ships and such.

 

Edit: Forget it, I'll keep it hidden from anyone who didn't see it.

 

Also, is there a list of the point cost of defensive structures?

[Wisp]

Okay.

 

 

First, you need a station. We'll say it takes 15 years to build on land, and 1 trillion dollars.

 

That station gives 200 production points.

 

With those production points you can build ships, or other production stations.

It takes 20 years for a production station to build another one, on it's own (4000 production points needed, 200 per turn), but it costs way less than building it on land.

It takes 40 years to build a mobile production station (one that could move to a different system than the one it was build on).

One production station can do the following per turn:

 

20 battleships

or

200 fighters

or

40 escorts

or

2 Heavy Battleships

 

Or some combination (1 heavy battleship, 5 battleships, 8 escorts, 20 fighters) For example.

 

Or, it can work on a longer term project, like a super battleship. A single station would take 5 years to build a super battleship.

 

EDIT: Ross, production points are in general 1/10th of their value in a fight (A fighter is worth 10 in a fight, so 1 production point). Here is the full list of values for fights:

Super Space Stations, (such as Kent in Adrigas, when it is at full capacity with full complement) are worth 1,000,000 points.

Super Space Stations(U), (Such as Kent in Adrigas, when it is below capacity) are worth 200,000+whatever complement it does have.

Ultra Space Stations, (Can't think of any) are worth 200,000

Sa Matra, (Super vessels), are worth 200,000 but there can only be 1 at a time in the whole universe

Battle Space Stations, (Doom's) are worth 150,000 but have no capacity to repair ships

Endeavorer Stations, (Like the three I am building) are worth 100,000 with the main purpose of repairing ships and producing fighters(it has very little in the way of defense itself)

Furlong Fortresses, (Basically a heavy(Long+Mid+Short range) weapons platform) are worth 90,000 points but cannot repair, rearm or otherwise interface with ships.

Space Stations, (Short and mid ranged weapons platforms, like the one destroyed this turn) are worth 50,000 points and cannot repair ect.

Ultra Heavy Battleships, (Extremely powerful vessels) are worth 20,000 points

Super Battleships, (Powerful vessels) are worth 10,000 points

Heavy Battleships, (Better than average vessels) are worth 1,000 points

Great Fortresses, (Mid range weapons platform) are worth 500 points and cannot repair ect.

Blank Fortresses, (Short range weapons platform) are worth 400 points and cannot repair ect.

Overload Fortresses, (Long range weapons platform) are worth 300 points and cannot repair ect

Battleships, (Standard warships) are worth 100

Escorts, (All manner of weaker ships) are worth 50

Fighters, (Ships that require another ship to support it) are worth 10

Missiles, (Specified missiles fired from places outside the battle) are worth 5

Transports/Carriers, (Unarmed vessels) are worth 0

 

[Retech]

Mother Kelp, save us!

 

*Flocks of citizens flock to their cities' major temples to pray to the Mother Kelp, the head of the pantheon of gods.