teenageloser33 Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 That means you'll leave the whole community behind, because we're all bad :wink: Despite the fact we had our arguement and everything; it'll be a shame to see you go. Hopefully one day we can put this behind us and be mature; as I've seen that I wasn't to mature on my end. You seriously are a talented artist and my "substandard" comment was out of line. Way out of line. Like across a state-line lol. Well mate, like I said I hope we can put this behind us. Later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keiphus Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 There is way too much E-Thug in this thread... :o Seriously though, Nadril you sound like the biggest drama queen I've ever heard, followed closely by 1525252 and Mike and Paul and Scott and whatever else you guys call each other. Chris,I don't ever remember being "mellow" maybe you can remind me what that's like. A real 3D App, nadril, is a 3d program like 3dsm, c4d, xsi, maya, etc. Something you can model, animate, simulate, texture, and render in. Terragen is not a real 3D app, and even though you didn't say, I'm going to stop you from attempting to argue that standpoint before you get embarrassed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadril Posted October 1, 2005 Author Share Posted October 1, 2005 Terragen is simply a 3D app for a different process. For example, Vue would be considered one, yet it's mostly used for landscapes. Keiph, I realy just wanted this to be a simple thread... meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keiphus Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 I just told you not to try and argue that, and what did you do? Well, at least nobody can say you aren't predictable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadril Posted October 1, 2005 Author Share Posted October 1, 2005 Oh well... silly 'ole predictable me. :? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danabis Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 I agree with Keiph, terragen is not a 3d app. Just because the end result happens to be a 3d render does NOT make it a 3d application. Dreaming of that face againIt's bright, and blue, and shimmeringGrinning wideAnd comforting me with it's three warm and wild eyes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyPurpleCrayon Posted October 2, 2005 Share Posted October 2, 2005 I just told you not to try and argue that, and what did you do? Well, at least nobody can say you aren't predictable! Why would you expect him not to say something back? You moron. Nadril owns you, he didn't do anything and all the little queers here have to bash and flame the heck out of everything and everyone. Get a life. Ghost: I am prejudice towards ignorance, so that would explain why I appear to be so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boogie Posted October 2, 2005 Share Posted October 2, 2005 I just told you not to try and argue that, and what did you do? Well, at least nobody can say you aren't predictable! Why would you expect him not to say something back? You moron. Nadril owns you, he didn't do anything and all the little queers here have to bash and flame the heck out of everything and everyone. Get a life. Not sure about that part. Of course Nadril appreciates your defense but this will only cause Keiphus to reply saying his defense, causing more flaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatsilverwyrm Posted October 2, 2005 Share Posted October 2, 2005 As opposed to locking this.. I'll try giving the peice some real constructive criticsm and see if people can't stop being twits and do the same.. The first and most obvious thing is the streaky sky, but that's been covered ad infinite item, so, I'll leave it.. Compositionally, it's crap.. as with all your stuff, to be honest. There's no focal point, it's off-balance like no other.. etc.. There are some interesting movements in the canyon area but I assume that was unintentional on your part. The title being "rock beast" I guess that your focus was the monolithic cliff/plataeu/whatever and everything else was just a backdrop for it. What you need to do, I think, Nad, is learn design. Once you are a proficient designer, your art will be much better. As to the whole is terregen a 3d program thing... I beleive the actual technical term for it is a "ray tracer".. which is what bryce and vue are classified as. Also, if I recall correctly, doing landscapes in a modeling program is unintuitive, at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadril Posted October 2, 2005 Author Share Posted October 2, 2005 Wyrm, it was intentional. I chose the name just because that's what the piece reminded me of. Thank you however, for the C&C. Although, could have sworn that the plataeu would be a focus point. A slight question, what do you think would be the best way around learning design? also, can you go ahead and lock this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 2, 2005 Share Posted October 2, 2005 Well, what if I blew all your minds with this! Being that all generated images on the computer, no matter the program, are... well... flat, they're all 2D. Therefore we're all cabbage for calling it 3d in the first place. Heh, I've amused myself. ~Cal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keiphus Posted October 2, 2005 Share Posted October 2, 2005 Nadril owns you, he didn't do anything and all the little queers here have to bash and flame the heck out of everything and everyone. Get a life. You're kidding right? I was thinking about replying to this more extensively but decided that you're a complete fool and I shouldn't waste my time. Next. Nadril, my problem with you is that you seem to have an excuse for everything someone tells you. You rarely accept constructive criticism and you always have a reason for doing something wrong. You have a problem accepting the fact that you CAN mess up sometimes. My second problem, is the whole "I'm leaving but I'm still going to post like an elitist [puncture]" stuff. I guess somehow you've found some worthless good for nothing kids who are a burden on the economy, and you've convinced them that you are some kind of Graphics God... Unfortunately you are only making the situation worse for yourself, but I could see why you would need someone to help your self esteem. Your work isn't very good, never has been, and that's that. If you want to learn design, the first step is to understand criticism and learn how to handle it. 1525, that was one of the stupidest posts I've seen you make. Do you really think that's true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 2, 2005 Share Posted October 2, 2005 No, I actually just felt like making a post that was light-hearted for a change. But if that was only one of them, then what was the stupidest? Considering that I think your original post about about TG not being a real 3D app was the dumbest thing *I've* ever seen posted in reguards to digital imaging, I think you could do the curteousy of telling me. ~Cal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadril Posted October 2, 2005 Author Share Posted October 2, 2005 What do you mean I can't handle critisim.... I've been listening to it since i've been on here. I do know I can mess up, I know that I do mess up, a lot. I do know that I am not this "great" artist. I know all of that stuff already. Hell, the reason I'm leaving is because it's hard to get constructive critisim here, especialy when there realy arn't many people that use the program. And what the hell, that comment "I guess somehow you've found some worthless good for nothing kids who are a burden on the economy, and you've convinced them that your are some kind of Graphics God". That's just a low blow keiph. do you honestly belive I sit here and try and get people to post that kind of stuff? My god, I dont even KNOW that person. Realy, between you and wyrm posting "yeah, you suck. Get better" and others posting "great job! I love it omg!" it doesn't help! All I wanted to do here is show a final piece before I leave, yet, because of a few comments from people it ends up turning into this. Oh well, thanks guy's for proving the exact reasons why i'm leaving. I'm out. ~Nadril. ps: can wyrm or someone lock this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 2, 2005 Share Posted October 2, 2005 To support what Nad just said, like... look at his quote in my sig? Lol. ~Cal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatsilverwyrm Posted October 2, 2005 Share Posted October 2, 2005 How's this, Nadril? Your stuf looks good, but it has no artistic merit. If you want to be an artist learn some design. If you don't really care, and just want to create stuff that "looks good", continue what you're doing. As for learning design.. I dunno.. try google? See if your school/uni/whatever has any classes? Design theory is fun. You'd probably like it. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
venomai Posted October 2, 2005 Share Posted October 2, 2005 i think a mod should close this... it's becoming a flaming war. So much for c/c :roll: Flame or no flame, this thread is 5 solid pages of intense discussion and critiques on art and design, not to mention lots of criticism on the actual piece at hand! Definitely not worth a locking... :D Personally, I'm going to have to agree with what GSW and Keiphus are saying. Your stuff often looks cool and realistic, but nearly everything you make just looks like a poor quality photograph from a tourist's point of view -- not an artist's. This new piece is a bit of a jump forward, more outgoing colours and forms, but like GSW was saying, it lacks the basic principles of design and doesn't look much like art. As for the whole 3D/2D thing, why don't we just say that Terragen is a *very* basic 3D Application, but not a 3D Modeling program. Modeling abilities are so non-existant in this program that it would be inane to place it next to those programs like 3dsmax, Maya, even Bryce. But the terrain itself is still constructed on x, y, and z planes (unless I'm mistaken?), can be interactively rotated and positioned, and therefore could be considered somewhat of a 3-Dimensional Application. No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted October 2, 2005 Share Posted October 2, 2005 Keiph, did you ever post your Terragen image? I don't want to cause any drama here on Latip.it Beach, but I just didn't see in any of the posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
venomai Posted October 2, 2005 Share Posted October 2, 2005 Keiph, did you ever post your Terragen image? I don't want to cause any drama here on Latip.it Beach, but I just didn't see in any of the posts. :| What's the point in this? His skill in a program he's obviously not used too often wouldn't change how good or bad of an artist he is, let alone give you or anyone else the right to flame him for that reason. A great painter can still be a fantastic artist even if his/her skill in the program Terragen is utter crap. And this artist would have a good idea as to how a piece could be improved artistically, even if (s)he isn't familiar with the said program. EDIT: Oh, I may have misread your post. :| Fiddlesticks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsakenMage Posted October 2, 2005 Share Posted October 2, 2005 Locked upon request of author. Adventurer's Log || YouTube || Facebook || Tip.it Times Work || Wanna Join the Editorial Panel?Maxed Out 01 October 2012 PDT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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