JaGEx >_<

[Me_Hate_Libs]

Yes, but when you consider how many retired accounts., how many QP you need to make any trading worthwhile, and how many they'd realisictly get for this purpose, I don't think it would be worth it to them.

 

 

 

Yeah, I wouldn't do it, but someone desperate for easy cash over the net... I wouldn't bet against it.

 

 

 

I see where you're coming from now. As a girl, whenever I need cash and I think of the internet, I always think how much I could make just flashing my boobs around. Stuff like that never occurs to me. :P

 

 

 

Lol that made my day!

 

 

 

Usually it's the flashing that makes the guys day. Guess you're just easy to please.

 

 

 

Theres a better way of making money over the net for girls, that doesn't involve flashing but thats for a totaly different site :lol:

 

 

 

If there willing to steal credit cards to make large trades, I wouldn't rule out dragging old retired accounts back into use for gold farming.

 

 

 

Nah, I'd rather just flash the ole boobies. 8-)

[Ravenkana]

Yes, but when you consider how many retired accounts., how many QP you need to make any trading worthwhile, and how many they'd realisictly get for this purpose, I don't think it would be worth it to them.

 

 

 

Yeah, I wouldn't do it, but someone desperate for easy cash over the net... I wouldn't bet against it.

 

 

 

I see where you're coming from now. As a girl, whenever I need cash and I think of the internet, I always think how much I could make just flashing my boobs around. Stuff like that never occurs to me. :P

Wait, you're female? Like Pyro (possibly)?

 

 

 

Huh. Guess you learn something new everyday...

[Me_Hate_Libs]

Yes, but when you consider how many retired accounts., how many QP you need to make any trading worthwhile, and how many they'd realisictly get for this purpose, I don't think it would be worth it to them.

 

 

 

Yeah, I wouldn't do it, but someone desperate for easy cash over the net... I wouldn't bet against it.

 

 

 

I see where you're coming from now. As a girl, whenever I need cash and I think of the internet, I always think how much I could make just flashing my boobs around. Stuff like that never occurs to me. :P

Wait, you're female? Like Pyro (possibly)?

 

 

 

Huh. Guess you learn something new everyday...

 

 

 

Yes, I'm a girl. I've put up pics before. You knew I was a girl and your love for me burns.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just like when you pee.

[xmisspker]

JaGEx, in my mind, has recently set a new record for lousy stuff and a "go to [CENSORED]" approach to customer relations. Recently, JaGEx has set a pattern of ignoring glaring issues, fixing non-problems (and introducing a raft of new headaches in the process), and talking down to us like the KGB to a Russian peasant ("You are NOT allowed to question moderator descisions! Even though we didn't really tell you why we locked your thread.")

 

 

 

Let's start with the the PKing update. No, I'm not some no-life nerd shouting "we pay 2 pk!@!!!!@!!@@!@!!@oneoneeleventyone!" But you have to admit the PvP system is seriously weak. I've seen several RSOF threads complaining about the idiotically infantile drop tables. And I bet I know why they made the drop tables dumb, and why they won't fix them. Too much wealth was changing hands in old-school PK. JaGEx wanted to make PKing unprofitable to slow the gain of wealth and shift the focus of the game from combat to skill-grinding (more on that later). They did this by replacing old-school PKing (where you get everything the opponent was carrying) with new-school PvP (where you kill someone twice as strong as you in a heroic fight and get... some mith platelegs and shrimp. And it's not PKing, it's PvP.). And now, the focus isn't on combat or skill grinding, because from what I've heard JGX's overzealous bot detectors kill anyone who trains for... how long?

 

 

 

Sometimes they overfix a problem. Take trade limits for example. A someone with 0 quest points can gain or lose 5K per 15 minutes, far below the volumes usually traded by gold farmers. The trade limit could easily go much higher without a significant increase in gold farming. And people just bypass the limit anyway by junk trading. This all comes together to form the conclusion that THE TRADE LIMIT WAS A SHORT SIGHTED, BADLY THOUGHT OUT, AND HUGELY OVERDONE UPDATE.

 

 

 

Now, what about fixing non-problems? Besides the raft of useless updates you find in the patch notes, this problem is highlighted by the ban on draw games. JaGEx has done some less-than-intelligent stuff lately, but this just takes the cake. Who says cooperation is not in the spirit of RS? There was absolutely no problem here, and the time it took to decide on it and go around locking threads could have been used to do something far more useful. Like fix the PKing (oops, PvP) drop tables.

 

 

 

Then there's the KGB attitude. They act just like the Cheka, the KGB, or whatever else the Russian secret police might have been called at some point. "Do, say, and think what we tell you and don't [CENSORED] ask why." The only reason I can think of for them giving you lousy reasons and refusing to give you a detailed answer is that there is no real reason behind what they do. At least they don't have mute/ban quotas. Yet.

 

 

 

Also, the offence handling is extremely spotty. When it comes to spam (and encouraging spam) in Castle Wars waiting rooms, I'm not exactly innocent. I actually got hit once for that, overzealously taking center stage and outspamming everyone else with "G_O_S_A_R_A_D_O_M_I_N_A_T_O_R_S" and "L_U_C_K_Y_1_3" (that may not have been exactly what I siad but you get the point) in an attempt to motivate the team. (No, I wasn't using autotypers, but I was being an idiot by spamming when there wasn't much spam going on at the time. That was the only way I could outspam everyone with chats that long.) Then, several months ago, some guy private chatted me saying he'd reported me for encouraging spam in the same waiting room. To this day they have done NOTHING on that report.

 

 

 

Finally, I'm not all that sure they aren't lying through their teeth at us about the RWT issue. If it was such a pressing issue, they would have devoted some thought to the issue rather than hastily implementing [CENSORED] like the original/current trade limits. Of course, this being JaGEx, I wouldn't be so sure. If they really thought about it, the draconian trade limits sure don't show it.

 

 

 

Excellent post =D>

 

 

 

You are absolutely correct in that this is not an isolated incident, this is a pattern of behavior. I think that Jgx are intelligent enough to devise a system that utilizes the old fighting system and at the same time prevents rwt-ers, WITHOUT degrading quality for the legitimate players...of course that would actually require putting thought into it.

 

 

 

I get hammered on bigtime here for starting a petition to bring back the old wilderness, and everyone is eating up what jgx tells them with a spoon. The game thrived for years and years without these changes, and they certainly did not go bankrupt because of rwt-ers then, so what is so pressing about it now?

 

 

 

Makes absolutely no sense.

[Jaffy1]

The game thrived for years and years without these changes, and they certainly did not go bankrupt because of rwt-ers then, so what is so pressing about it now?

 

 

 

Makes absolutely no sense.

On the point of RWT-ers:

 

1. Jagex can get sued by credit card holders whose stolen data have been utilized by criminals running RTW scams.

 

2. Jagex can get sued for not exploiting the situation (benefitting from RWT scamming criminals).

 

3. It is morally irresponsible to allow RWT scams continue.

 

4. RWT scams give cheating players unfair advantages.

 

 

 

Did any of that cross your mind at all?

[perfetc]

Yes, but when you consider how many retired accounts., how many QP you need to make any trading worthwhile, and how many they'd realisictly get for this purpose, I don't think it would be worth it to them.

 

 

 

Yeah, I wouldn't do it, but someone desperate for easy cash over the net... I wouldn't bet against it.

 

 

 

I see where you're coming from now. As a girl, whenever I need cash and I think of the internet, I always think how much I could make just flashing my boobs around. Stuff like that never occurs to me. :P

 

 

 

Lol that made my day!

 

 

 

Usually it's the flashing that makes the guys day. Guess you're just easy to please.

 

 

 

Theres a better way of making money over the net for girls, that doesn't involve flashing but thats for a totaly different site :lol:

 

 

 

If there willing to steal credit cards to make large trades, I wouldn't rule out dragging old retired accounts back into use for gold farming.

 

 

 

Nah, I'd rather just flash the ole boobies. 8-)

 

 

 

:shock:

 

 

 

If your offering though. :lol:

 

 

 

Sorry.

[Ravenkana]

The game thrived for years and years without these changes, and they certainly did not go bankrupt because of rwt-ers then, so what is so pressing about it now?

 

 

 

Makes absolutely no sense.

On the point of RWT-ers:

 

1. Jagex can get sued by credit card holders whose stolen data have been utilized by criminals running RTW scams.

 

2. Jagex can get sued for not exploiting the situation (benefitting from RWT scamming criminals).

 

3. It is morally irresponsible to allow RWT scams continue.

 

4. RWT scams give cheating players unfair advantages.

 

 

 

Did any of that cross your mind at all?

Blizzard didn't get sued. They didn't get threatened by lawsuits. They haven't removed any free trade. They're also the industry leader. And everyone who plays requires a credit card.

 

 

 

Furthermore, Runescape is the only, the ONLY, MMORPG to have made those drastic changes. Let that sink in.

[Zamorakshadow]

The game thrived for years and years without these changes, and they certainly did not go bankrupt because of rwt-ers then, so what is so pressing about it now?

 

 

 

Makes absolutely no sense.

On the point of RWT-ers:

 

1. Jagex can get sued by credit card holders whose stolen data have been utilized by criminals running RTW scams.

 

2. Jagex can get sued for not exploiting the situation (benefitting from RWT scamming criminals).

 

3. It is morally irresponsible to allow RWT scams continue.

 

4. RWT scams give cheating players unfair advantages.

 

 

 

Did any of that cross your mind at all?

Blizzard didn't get sued. They didn't get threatened by lawsuits. They haven't removed any free trade. They're also the industry leader. And everyone who plays requires a credit card.

 

 

 

Furthermore, Runescape is the only, the ONLY, MMORPG to have made those drastic changes. Let that sink in.

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure Blizzard is having lots of problems with RWT and credit card stuff, might be wrong though.

 

 

 

Also, Blizzard is waaay more famous and rich than Jagex, with WOW being waay more popular ( and expensive...) than RS, not to mention Blizzard has lots of other games, while Jagex's only source of income at the time was RS ( was funorb released at that time? Can't remember...)

 

If Blizzard did get sued ( which i'm pretty sure they are >.<), they obviously wouldn't suffer as much as Jagex, and don't care for the problem as much as Jagex.

 

 

 

You can't compare Blizzard with Jagex >.<

[hihihi727]

The game thrived for years and years without these changes, and they certainly did not go bankrupt because of rwt-ers then, so what is so pressing about it now?

 

 

 

Makes absolutely no sense.

On the point of RWT-ers:

 

1. Jagex can get sued by credit card holders whose stolen data have been utilized by criminals running RTW scams.

 

2. Jagex can get sued for not exploiting the situation (benefitting from RWT scamming criminals).

 

3. It is morally irresponsible to allow RWT scams continue.

 

4. RWT scams give cheating players unfair advantages.

 

 

 

Did any of that cross your mind at all?

Blizzard didn't get sued. They didn't get threatened by lawsuits. They haven't removed any free trade. They're also the industry leader. And everyone who plays requires a credit card.

 

 

 

Furthermore, Runescape is the only, the ONLY, MMORPG to have made those drastic changes. Let that sink in.

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure Blizzard is having lots of problems with RWT and credit card stuff, might be wrong though.

 

 

 

Also, Blizzard is waaay more famous and rich than Jagex, with WOW being waay more popular ( and expensive...) than RS, not to mention Blizzard has lots of other games, while Jagex's only source of income at the time was RS ( was funorb released at that time? Can't remember...)

 

If Blizzard did get sued ( which i'm pretty sure they are >.<), they obviously wouldn't suffer as much as Jagex, and don't care for the problem as much as Jagex.

 

 

 

You can't compare Blizzard with Jagex >.<

 

 

 

Actually, Runescape is more popular than WoW by far, there are almost 10x as much players, although WoW is more expensive. And although Jagex might not be as rich as Blizzard, they certainly aren't poor considering that Andrew Gower is worth 217million US dollars

[perfetc]

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.135997

 

 

 

Just a bit of proof, although these poeple don't really like runescape :lol:

[Zamorakshadow]

The game thrived for years and years without these changes, and they certainly did not go bankrupt because of rwt-ers then, so what is so pressing about it now?

 

 

 

Makes absolutely no sense.

On the point of RWT-ers:

 

1. Jagex can get sued by credit card holders whose stolen data have been utilized by criminals running RTW scams.

 

2. Jagex can get sued for not exploiting the situation (benefitting from RWT scamming criminals).

 

3. It is morally irresponsible to allow RWT scams continue.

 

4. RWT scams give cheating players unfair advantages.

 

 

 

Did any of that cross your mind at all?

Blizzard didn't get sued. They didn't get threatened by lawsuits. They haven't removed any free trade. They're also the industry leader. And everyone who plays requires a credit card.

 

 

 

Furthermore, Runescape is the only, the ONLY, MMORPG to have made those drastic changes. Let that sink in.

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure Blizzard is having lots of problems with RWT and credit card stuff, might be wrong though.

 

 

 

Also, Blizzard is waaay more famous and rich than Jagex, with WOW being waay more popular ( and expensive...) than RS, not to mention Blizzard has lots of other games, while Jagex's only source of income at the time was RS ( was funorb released at that time? Can't remember...)

 

If Blizzard did get sued ( which i'm pretty sure they are >.<), they obviously wouldn't suffer as much as Jagex, and don't care for the problem as much as Jagex.

 

 

 

You can't compare Blizzard with Jagex >.<

 

 

 

Actually, Runescape is more popular than WoW by far, there are almost 10x as much players, although WoW is more expensive. And although Jagex might not be as rich as Blizzard, they certainly aren't poor considering that Andrew Gower is worth 217million US dollars

 

 

 

 

 

Runescape more popular than WOW? Now, either i am uninformed in the subject ( very problable >.<) or you are talking about the "150m accs created" Jagex likes to advertise, even though half is bots and abandoned accs, and the other half is full of f2p's who barely give any income, and all money they give is used to pay for the servers.

 

 

 

Even if RS has more players, i'm pretty sure Blizzard gets more money from WoW than Jagex from RS, and since this is a monetary issue, money > amount of players in the subject. >.<

 

 

 

Jagex isn't poor, but if the banks removed redit-card payment like they threatened to do, thus stopping 90% of existing memberships, they would loose money INSANELY fast, and even if they didn't go bankrupt, they would have BIG problems.

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure RWT will eventually bring problems to WOW and they will have to do some anti-RWT updates some day... but as i said, RWT doesn't hit Blizzard as hard as it hits Jagex.

[Sir_Kurity]

I agree, then why is it so important for you then? If only high levels can trade more and these are the players than mainly don't need an additional 100K, why would changing the mechanics be so important?

 

 

 

Because i for one, don't like quests, and wouldn't mind a slightly better tradelimit.

[perfetc]

I agree, then why is it so important for you then? If only high levels can trade more and these are the players than mainly don't need an additional 100K, why would changing the mechanics be so important?

 

 

 

Because i for one, don't like quests, and wouldn't mind a slightly better tradelimit.

 

 

 

Why don't you like them, you can blitz through most of them and they give good rewards.

 

 

 

Im not there biggest fan but there ok.

[Ravenkana]

The game thrived for years and years without these changes, and they certainly did not go bankrupt because of rwt-ers then, so what is so pressing about it now?

 

 

 

Makes absolutely no sense.

On the point of RWT-ers:

 

1. Jagex can get sued by credit card holders whose stolen data have been utilized by criminals running RTW scams.

 

2. Jagex can get sued for not exploiting the situation (benefitting from RWT scamming criminals).

 

3. It is morally irresponsible to allow RWT scams continue.

 

4. RWT scams give cheating players unfair advantages.

 

 

 

Did any of that cross your mind at all?

Blizzard didn't get sued. They didn't get threatened by lawsuits. They haven't removed any free trade. They're also the industry leader. And everyone who plays requires a credit card.

 

 

 

Furthermore, Runescape is the only, the ONLY, MMORPG to have made those drastic changes. Let that sink in.

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure Blizzard is having lots of problems with RWT and credit card stuff, might be wrong though.

 

 

 

Also, Blizzard is waaay more famous and rich than Jagex, with WOW being waay more popular ( and expensive...) than RS, not to mention Blizzard has lots of other games, while Jagex's only source of income at the time was RS ( was funorb released at that time? Can't remember...)

 

If Blizzard did get sued ( which i'm pretty sure they are >.<), they obviously wouldn't suffer as much as Jagex, and don't care for the problem as much as Jagex.

 

 

 

You can't compare Blizzard with Jagex >.<

 

 

 

Actually, Runescape is more popular than WoW by far, there are almost 10x as much players, although WoW is more expensive. And although Jagex might not be as rich as Blizzard, they certainly aren't poor considering that Andrew Gower is worth 217million US dollars

First, Blizzard did not get sued. They sued a group of RWTs. They do the sueing. And they don't have problems with RWT. Oh, sure, RWT goes on and Blizzard has put things in WoW that make it harder to RWT but those things hardly affect the average player.

 

 

 

Um... where'd you get ten times the players of WoW? WoW has 11 Million ACTIVE players. Runescape has that many. BUT! only 2 Million pay to play. Everyone of WoW's players has to pay to play. Furthermore, RWTs have to use a credit card to play. Thinking on that, if Runescape was having trouble with banks with it's two million credit users, wouldn't WoW's eleven million cause even more?

 

 

 

Additionally, Runescape RWTs could make the money on FtP and then trade it. In fact, what caused a huge influx of PtP Gold Farmers was the pure ess update. Prior to that, you could make tons of money on FtP mining ess and all it took was the completion of the easiest quest in the game.

[Me_Hate_Libs]

The game thrived for years and years without these changes, and they certainly did not go bankrupt because of rwt-ers then, so what is so pressing about it now?

 

 

 

Makes absolutely no sense.

On the point of RWT-ers:

 

1. Jagex can get sued by credit card holders whose stolen data have been utilized by criminals running RTW scams.

 

2. Jagex can get sued for not exploiting the situation (benefitting from RWT scamming criminals).

 

3. It is morally irresponsible to allow RWT scams continue.

 

4. RWT scams give cheating players unfair advantages.

 

 

 

Did any of that cross your mind at all?

Blizzard didn't get sued. They didn't get threatened by lawsuits. They haven't removed any free trade. They're also the industry leader. And everyone who plays requires a credit card.

 

 

 

Furthermore, Runescape is the only, the ONLY, MMORPG to have made those drastic changes. Let that sink in.

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure Blizzard is having lots of problems with RWT and credit card stuff, might be wrong though.

 

 

 

Also, Blizzard is waaay more famous and rich than Jagex, with WOW being waay more popular ( and expensive...) than RS, not to mention Blizzard has lots of other games, while Jagex's only source of income at the time was RS ( was funorb released at that time? Can't remember...)

 

If Blizzard did get sued ( which i'm pretty sure they are >.<), they obviously wouldn't suffer as much as Jagex, and don't care for the problem as much as Jagex.

 

 

 

You can't compare Blizzard with Jagex >.<

 

 

 

Actually, Runescape is more popular than WoW by far, there are almost 10x as much players, although WoW is more expensive. And although Jagex might not be as rich as Blizzard, they certainly aren't poor considering that Andrew Gower is worth 217million US dollars

First, Blizzard did not get sued. They sued a group of RWTs. They do the sueing. And they don't have problems with RWT. Oh, sure, RWT goes on and Blizzard has put things in WoW that make it harder to RWT but those things hardly affect the average player.

 

 

 

Um... where'd you get ten times the players of WoW? WoW has 11 Million ACTIVE players. Runescape has that many. BUT! only 2 Million pay to play. Everyone of WoW's players has to pay to play. Furthermore, RWTs have to use a credit card to play. Thinking on that, if Runescape was having trouble with banks with it's two million credit users, wouldn't WoW's eleven million cause even more?

 

 

 

Additionally, Runescape RWTs could make the money on FtP and then trade it. In fact, what caused a huge influx of PtP Gold Farmers was the pure ess update. Prior to that, you could make tons of money on FtP mining ess and all it took was the completion of the easiest quest in the game.

 

 

 

I think R&J is easier as you don't even have to leave Varrock to complete it, less the minor going outside fo the berries.

[Ravenkana]

The game thrived for years and years without these changes, and they certainly did not go bankrupt because of rwt-ers then, so what is so pressing about it now?

 

 

 

Makes absolutely no sense.

On the point of RWT-ers:

 

1. Jagex can get sued by credit card holders whose stolen data have been utilized by criminals running RTW scams.

 

2. Jagex can get sued for not exploiting the situation (benefitting from RWT scamming criminals).

 

3. It is morally irresponsible to allow RWT scams continue.

 

4. RWT scams give cheating players unfair advantages.

 

 

 

Did any of that cross your mind at all?

Blizzard didn't get sued. They didn't get threatened by lawsuits. They haven't removed any free trade. They're also the industry leader. And everyone who plays requires a credit card.

 

 

 

Furthermore, Runescape is the only, the ONLY, MMORPG to have made those drastic changes. Let that sink in.

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure Blizzard is having lots of problems with RWT and credit card stuff, might be wrong though.

 

 

 

Also, Blizzard is waaay more famous and rich than Jagex, with WOW being waay more popular ( and expensive...) than RS, not to mention Blizzard has lots of other games, while Jagex's only source of income at the time was RS ( was funorb released at that time? Can't remember...)

 

If Blizzard did get sued ( which i'm pretty sure they are >.<), they obviously wouldn't suffer as much as Jagex, and don't care for the problem as much as Jagex.

 

 

 

You can't compare Blizzard with Jagex >.<

 

 

 

Actually, Runescape is more popular than WoW by far, there are almost 10x as much players, although WoW is more expensive. And although Jagex might not be as rich as Blizzard, they certainly aren't poor considering that Andrew Gower is worth 217million US dollars

First, Blizzard did not get sued. They sued a group of RWTs. They do the sueing. And they don't have problems with RWT. Oh, sure, RWT goes on and Blizzard has put things in WoW that make it harder to RWT but those things hardly affect the average player.

 

 

 

Um... where'd you get ten times the players of WoW? WoW has 11 Million ACTIVE players. Runescape has that many. BUT! only 2 Million pay to play. Everyone of WoW's players has to pay to play. Furthermore, RWTs have to use a credit card to play. Thinking on that, if Runescape was having trouble with banks with it's two million credit users, wouldn't WoW's eleven million cause even more?

 

 

 

Additionally, Runescape RWTs could make the money on FtP and then trade it. In fact, what caused a huge influx of PtP Gold Farmers was the pure ess update. Prior to that, you could make tons of money on FtP mining ess and all it took was the completion of the easiest quest in the game.

 

 

 

I think R&J is easier as you don't even have to leave Varrock to complete it, less the minor going outside fo the berries.

Completely forgot about that one... man, that's an insignificant quest.

[Zamorakshadow]

R&J can be hard if you try to pass the mages to get to the berries :ohnoes:

 

 

 

Idk where i heard about it, but i heard rumours of RWT causing big problems to Blizzard... anyway, i am pretty uninformed on the subject but i though the people sueing Jagex wasn't the problem, the real problem was banks getting mad at Jagex for all the credit card stealing and sueing that was happening and threatening to remove credit-card payments if Jagex didn't fix the situation ( and since a poll showed 90% of members paid with credit card atm, that would make Jagex bankrupt).

 

 

 

Maybe banks got mad at Jagex but not at Blizzard or something? :|

 

 

 

Anyway, if i recall right RWT was always waaay stronger in RS than in WOW, because it's easier to bot in RS, and as i stated 3 times already RWT caused more problems to Jagex than to Blizzard.

 

 

 

Or maybe Jagex just has morals, and since RWT seems to create crime, they decided to do the right thing? :twss:

 

 

 

Even if RWT wasn't really that big of a problem, and even if a Jmod admitted that RWT wasn't that big i still wouldn't believe that they would remove pking/free trade/dueling for something that wasn't BIG, Jagex isn't [developmentally delayed]ed, they always knew people loved the Wilderness, dueling and trading, they wouldn't kill some of the most important parts of the game for nothing.

 

 

 

They are stupid some times, but [developmentally delayed]ed to that point? Hell no :roll: .

[Jaffy1]

[hide=]R&J can be hard if you try to pass the mages to get to the berries :ohnoes:

 

 

 

Idk where i heard about it, but i heard rumours of RWT causing big problems to Blizzard... anyway, i am pretty uninformed on the subject but i though the people sueing Jagex wasn't the problem, the real problem was banks getting mad at Jagex for all the credit card stealing and sueing that was happening and threatening to remove credit-card payments if Jagex didn't fix the situation ( and since a poll showed 90% of members paid with credit card atm, that would make Jagex bankrupt).

 

 

 

Maybe banks got mad at Jagex but not at Blizzard or something? :| Anyway, if i recall right RWT was always waaay stronger in RS than in WOW, because it's easier to bot in RS, and as i stated 3 times already RWT caused more problems to Jagex than to Blizzard.

 

 

 

Or maybe Jagex just has morals, and since RWT seems to create crime, they decided to do the right thing? :twss:[/hide]

 

Even if RWT wasn't really that big of a problem, and even if a Jmod admitted that RWT wasn't that big i still wouldn't believe that they would remove pking/free trade/dueling for something that wasn't BIG, Jagex isn't [developmentally delayed], they always knew people loved the Wilderness, dueling and trading, they wouldn't kill some of the most important parts of the game for nothing.

 

 

 

They are stupid some times, but [developmentally delayed] to that point? Hell no :roll: .

Thank you for common sense. I'm not alone!

[Ravenkana]

[hide=]R&J can be hard if you try to pass the mages to get to the berries :ohnoes:

 

 

 

Idk where i heard about it, but i heard rumours of RWT causing big problems to Blizzard... anyway, i am pretty uninformed on the subject but i though the people sueing Jagex wasn't the problem, the real problem was banks getting mad at Jagex for all the credit card stealing and sueing that was happening and threatening to remove credit-card payments if Jagex didn't fix the situation ( and since a poll showed 90% of members paid with credit card atm, that would make Jagex bankrupt).

 

 

 

Maybe banks got mad at Jagex but not at Blizzard or something? :| Anyway, if i recall right RWT was always waaay stronger in RS than in WOW, because it's easier to bot in RS, and as i stated 3 times already RWT caused more problems to Jagex than to Blizzard.

 

 

 

Or maybe Jagex just has morals, and since RWT seems to create crime, they decided to do the right thing? :twss:[/hide]

 

Even if RWT wasn't really that big of a problem, and even if a Jmod admitted that RWT wasn't that big i still wouldn't believe that they would remove pking/free trade/dueling for something that wasn't BIG, Jagex isn't [developmentally delayed], they always knew people loved the Wilderness, dueling and trading, they wouldn't kill some of the most important parts of the game for nothing.

 

 

 

They are stupid some times, but [developmentally delayed] to that point? Hell no :roll: .

Thank you for common sense. I'm not alone!

Jagex may not be dumb, but they're dishonest and still run by their creators. This means that the people in charge have visions of how everything should go, how updates should occur, what players should do with them, and so forth. Because of this, they care more about getting the game to work exactly like they want it than a company run by non-developers who mostly care about their profit margins. And they hated RWT. A lot. To the point of irrationality.

 

 

 

And, in the past, it's been proven that when Jagex doesn't like something they do stupid things. Like the time Paul, wasn't it?, threatened to sue Tip.it for the article Biased Banning Raises Brows.

 

 

 

Honestly? Sue a fansite over something that insignificant? What was it you were saying about Jagex not being self-destructive and stupid?

[perfetc]

[hide=]R&J can be hard if you try to pass the mages to get to the berries :ohnoes:

 

 

 

Idk where i heard about it, but i heard rumours of RWT causing big problems to Blizzard... anyway, i am pretty uninformed on the subject but i though the people sueing Jagex wasn't the problem, the real problem was banks getting mad at Jagex for all the credit card stealing and sueing that was happening and threatening to remove credit-card payments if Jagex didn't fix the situation ( and since a poll showed 90% of members paid with credit card atm, that would make Jagex bankrupt).

 

 

 

Maybe banks got mad at Jagex but not at Blizzard or something? :| Anyway, if i recall right RWT was always waaay stronger in RS than in WOW, because it's easier to bot in RS, and as i stated 3 times already RWT caused more problems to Jagex than to Blizzard.

 

 

 

Or maybe Jagex just has morals, and since RWT seems to create crime, they decided to do the right thing? :twss:[/hide]

 

Even if RWT wasn't really that big of a problem, and even if a Jmod admitted that RWT wasn't that big i still wouldn't believe that they would remove pking/free trade/dueling for something that wasn't BIG, Jagex isn't [developmentally delayed], they always knew people loved the Wilderness, dueling and trading, they wouldn't kill some of the most important parts of the game for nothing.

 

 

 

They are stupid some times, but [developmentally delayed] to that point? Hell no :roll: .

Thank you for common sense. I'm not alone!

Jagex may not be dumb, but they're dishonest and still run by their creators. This means that the people in charge have visions of how everything should go, how updates should occur, what players should do with them, and so forth. Because of this, they care more about getting the game to work exactly like they want it than a company run by non-developers who mostly care about their profit margins. And they hated RWT. A lot. To the point of irrationality.

 

 

 

And, in the past, it's been proven that when Jagex doesn't like something they do stupid things. Like the time Paul, wasn't it?, threatened to sue Tip.it for the article Biased Banning Raises Brows.

 

 

 

Honestly? Sue a fansite over something that insignificant? What was it you were saying about Jagex not being self-destructive and stupid?

 

 

 

Is any of that fact or is it just your opinion?

[Ravenkana]

[hide=]R&J can be hard if you try to pass the mages to get to the berries :ohnoes:

 

 

 

Idk where i heard about it, but i heard rumours of RWT causing big problems to Blizzard... anyway, i am pretty uninformed on the subject but i though the people sueing Jagex wasn't the problem, the real problem was banks getting mad at Jagex for all the credit card stealing and sueing that was happening and threatening to remove credit-card payments if Jagex didn't fix the situation ( and since a poll showed 90% of members paid with credit card atm, that would make Jagex bankrupt).

 

 

 

Maybe banks got mad at Jagex but not at Blizzard or something? :| Anyway, if i recall right RWT was always waaay stronger in RS than in WOW, because it's easier to bot in RS, and as i stated 3 times already RWT caused more problems to Jagex than to Blizzard.

 

 

 

Or maybe Jagex just has morals, and since RWT seems to create crime, they decided to do the right thing? :twss:[/hide]

 

Even if RWT wasn't really that big of a problem, and even if a Jmod admitted that RWT wasn't that big i still wouldn't believe that they would remove pking/free trade/dueling for something that wasn't BIG, Jagex isn't [developmentally delayed], they always knew people loved the Wilderness, dueling and trading, they wouldn't kill some of the most important parts of the game for nothing.

 

 

 

They are stupid some times, but [developmentally delayed] to that point? Hell no :roll: .

Thank you for common sense. I'm not alone!

Jagex may not be dumb, but they're dishonest and still run by their creators. This means that the people in charge have visions of how everything should go, how updates should occur, what players should do with them, and so forth. Because of this, they care more about getting the game to work exactly like they want it than a company run by non-developers who mostly care about their profit margins. And they hated RWT. A lot. To the point of irrationality.

 

 

 

And, in the past, it's been proven that when Jagex doesn't like something they do stupid things. Like the time Paul, wasn't it?, threatened to sue Tip.it for the article Biased Banning Raises Brows.

 

 

 

Honestly? Sue a fansite over something that insignificant? What was it you were saying about Jagex not being self-destructive and stupid?

 

 

 

Is any of that fact or is it just your opinion?

"And, in the past, it's been proven that when Jagex doesn't like something they do stupid things. Like the time Paul, wasn't it?, threatened to sue Tip.it for the article Biased Banning Raises Brows." "And they hated RWT. A lot. To the point of irrationality."

[hihihi727]

The game thrived for years and years without these changes, and they certainly did not go bankrupt because of rwt-ers then, so what is so pressing about it now?

 

 

 

Makes absolutely no sense.

On the point of RWT-ers:

 

1. Jagex can get sued by credit card holders whose stolen data have been utilized by criminals running RTW scams.

 

2. Jagex can get sued for not exploiting the situation (benefitting from RWT scamming criminals).

 

3. It is morally irresponsible to allow RWT scams continue.

 

4. RWT scams give cheating players unfair advantages.

 

 

 

Did any of that cross your mind at all?

Blizzard didn't get sued. They didn't get threatened by lawsuits. They haven't removed any free trade. They're also the industry leader. And everyone who plays requires a credit card.

 

 

 

Furthermore, Runescape is the only, the ONLY, MMORPG to have made those drastic changes. Let that sink in.

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure Blizzard is having lots of problems with RWT and credit card stuff, might be wrong though.

 

 

 

Also, Blizzard is waaay more famous and rich than Jagex, with WOW being waay more popular ( and expensive...) than RS, not to mention Blizzard has lots of other games, while Jagex's only source of income at the time was RS ( was funorb released at that time? Can't remember...)

 

If Blizzard did get sued ( which i'm pretty sure they are >.<), they obviously wouldn't suffer as much as Jagex, and don't care for the problem as much as Jagex.

 

 

 

You can't compare Blizzard with Jagex >.<

 

 

 

Actually, Runescape is more popular than WoW by far, there are almost 10x as much players, although WoW is more expensive. And although Jagex might not be as rich as Blizzard, they certainly aren't poor considering that Andrew Gower is worth 217million US dollars

 

 

 

 

 

Runescape more popular than WOW? Now, either i am uninformed in the subject ( very problable >.<) or you are talking about the "150m accs created" Jagex likes to advertise, even though half is bots and abandoned accs, and the other half is full of f2p's who barely give any income, and all money they give is used to pay for the servers.

 

 

 

Even if RS has more players, i'm pretty sure Blizzard gets more money from WoW than Jagex from RS, and since this is a monetary issue, money > amount of players in the subject. >.<

 

 

 

Jagex isn't poor, but if the banks removed redit-card payment like they threatened to do, thus stopping 90% of existing memberships, they would loose money INSANELY fast, and even if they didn't go bankrupt, they would have BIG problems.

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure RWT will eventually bring problems to WOW and they will have to do some anti-RWT updates some day... but as i said, RWT doesn't hit Blizzard as hard as it hits Jagex.

 

 

 

You said that WoW was "by far" more popular than Runescape. Blizzard may earn more but it doesn't necessarily mean they are more popular- btw im measuring popularity in number of players, in which Runescape far outstrips WoW. And yes, i already know that there are lots of f2p players that don't generate much income- i even said so in my post. But Runescape is still more "popular" than WoW, it irritates me when people picture Jagex to be some kind of organisation that lives off the charity bucket or something. Sorry if i sound mean. I just don't get why runescape would get into so much trouble if other games like Maplestory and other mmog's don't seem to have any problems with RWT.

[All_Is_Great]

Isn't this thread the same as the "rant for old/veteran players"?

 

 

 

Anyways, all I see is 2 "arguements" in general.

 

 

 

1. Jagex had to do it because they were getting sued.

 

2. Jagex shouldn't have done it because it was the core of the game, and other companies didn't have trouble.

 

 

 

This is gonna go around in circles guys, never ending circles. I'm personally with choice 2, but let's face it, no one from either side is going to say "your right, I guess they shouldn't have removed the wildy/duel arena" or "yea, they probably had to do it".

 

 

 

This is so useless. :lol:

[Zamorakshadow]

[hide=]

The game thrived for years and years without these changes, and they certainly did not go bankrupt because of rwt-ers then, so what is so pressing about it now?

 

 

 

Makes absolutely no sense.

On the point of RWT-ers:

 

1. Jagex can get sued by credit card holders whose stolen data have been utilized by criminals running RTW scams.

 

2. Jagex can get sued for not exploiting the situation (benefitting from RWT scamming criminals).

 

3. It is morally irresponsible to allow RWT scams continue.

 

4. RWT scams give cheating players unfair advantages.

 

 

 

Did any of that cross your mind at all?

Blizzard didn't get sued. They didn't get threatened by lawsuits. They haven't removed any free trade. They're also the industry leader. And everyone who plays requires a credit card.

 

 

 

Furthermore, Runescape is the only, the ONLY, MMORPG to have made those drastic changes. Let that sink in.

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure Blizzard is having lots of problems with RWT and credit card stuff, might be wrong though.

 

 

 

Also, Blizzard is waaay more famous and rich than Jagex, with WOW being waay more popular ( and expensive...) than RS, not to mention Blizzard has lots of other games, while Jagex's only source of income at the time was RS ( was funorb released at that time? Can't remember...)

 

If Blizzard did get sued ( which i'm pretty sure they are >.<), they obviously wouldn't suffer as much as Jagex, and don't care for the problem as much as Jagex.

 

 

 

You can't compare Blizzard with Jagex >.<

 

 

 

Actually, Runescape is more popular than WoW by far, there are almost 10x as much players, although WoW is more expensive. And although Jagex might not be as rich as Blizzard, they certainly aren't poor considering that Andrew Gower is worth 217million US dollars

 

 

 

 

 

Runescape more popular than WOW? Now, either i am uninformed in the subject ( very problable >.<) or you are talking about the "150m accs created" Jagex likes to advertise, even though half is bots and abandoned accs, and the other half is full of f2p's who barely give any income, and all money they give is used to pay for the servers.

 

 

 

Even if RS has more players, i'm pretty sure Blizzard gets more money from WoW than Jagex from RS, and since this is a monetary issue, money > amount of players in the subject. >.<

 

 

 

Jagex isn't poor, but if the banks removed redit-card payment like they threatened to do, thus stopping 90% of existing memberships, they would loose money INSANELY fast, and even if they didn't go bankrupt, they would have BIG problems.

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure RWT will eventually bring problems to WOW and they will have to do some anti-RWT updates some day... but as i said, RWT doesn't hit Blizzard as hard as it hits Jagex.

 

 

 

You said that WoW was "by far" more popular than Runescape. Blizzard may earn more but it doesn't necessarily mean they are more popular- btw im measuring popularity in number of players, in which Runescape far outstrips WoW. And yes, i already know that there are lots of f2p players that don't generate much income- i even said so in my post. But Runescape is still more "popular" than WoW, it irritates me when people picture Jagex to be some kind of organisation that lives off the charity bucket or something. Sorry if i sound mean. I just don't get why runescape would get into so much trouble if other games like Maplestory and other mmog's don't seem to have any problems with RWT.

[/hide]

 

 

 

Since the problem here is about money and lawsuits, what matter is the money, not the popularity... Jagex has 12m active players i think, 10m giving no income, while WOW has over 10m all of them paying 15 bucks...Therefore WOW gives more money for Blizzard.

 

Jagex doesn't live off the charity bucket, but when compared to Blizzard, they aren't rich...

 

 

 

And as i said, if Banks did remove credit-card payment as they threatened, they WOULD live off the charity bucket.

 

 

 

 

 

"Andrew: Hey guys, since we hate RWT irrationaly, let's do a TERRIBLE business move by killing almost everything our game and main source of income is about, upseting most of our players and doing the exact opposite of what even a 10 year old would do in our place, just to kill something that causes almost no harm to us!

 

Rest of Jagex: YEEAH!!!!"

 

 

 

If you picture that scene in your head... Your hate towards Jagex is waay more irrational than their hate towards RWT O_o

 

If they had to do a change like that, they WOULD NOT do it for something that causes not much problem. I know Jagex has acted in irrational ways and done a hell lot of stupid things in the past, but this?

 

 

 

Even a 10 year old would know this would be stupid, and i'm pretty sure the guys who made this decision know more about business than 10 year olds >.>

[Ravenkana]

[hide=]

 

 

 

Actually, Runescape is more popular than WoW by far, there are almost 10x as much players, although WoW is more expensive. And although Jagex might not be as rich as Blizzard, they certainly aren't poor considering that Andrew Gower is worth 217million US dollars

 

 

 

 

 

Runescape more popular than WOW? Now, either i am uninformed in the subject ( very problable >.<) or you are talking about the "150m accs created" Jagex likes to advertise, even though half is bots and abandoned accs, and the other half is full of f2p's who barely give any income, and all money they give is used to pay for the servers.

 

 

 

Even if RS has more players, i'm pretty sure Blizzard gets more money from WoW than Jagex from RS, and since this is a monetary issue, money > amount of players in the subject. >.<

 

 

 

Jagex isn't poor, but if the banks removed redit-card payment like they threatened to do, thus stopping 90% of existing memberships, they would loose money INSANELY fast, and even if they didn't go bankrupt, they would have BIG problems.

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure RWT will eventually bring problems to WOW and they will have to do some anti-RWT updates some day... but as i said, RWT doesn't hit Blizzard as hard as it hits Jagex.

 

 

 

You said that WoW was "by far" more popular than Runescape. Blizzard may earn more but it doesn't necessarily mean they are more popular- btw im measuring popularity in number of players, in which Runescape far outstrips WoW. And yes, i already know that there are lots of f2p players that don't generate much income- i even said so in my post. But Runescape is still more "popular" than WoW, it irritates me when people picture Jagex to be some kind of organisation that lives off the charity bucket or something. Sorry if i sound mean. I just don't get why runescape would get into so much trouble if other games like Maplestory and other mmog's don't seem to have any problems with RWT.

[/hide]

 

 

 

Since the problem here is about money and lawsuits, what matter is the money, not the popularity... Jagex has 12m active players i think, 10m giving no income, while WOW has over 10m all of them paying 15 bucks...Therefore WOW gives more money for Blizzard.

 

Jagex doesn't live off the charity bucket, but when compared to Blizzard, they aren't rich...

 

 

 

And as i said, if Banks did remove credit-card payment as they threatened, they WOULD live off the charity bucket.

 

 

 

 

 

"Andrew: Hey guys, since we hate RWT irrationaly, let's do a TERRIBLE business move by killing almost everything our game and main source of income is about, upseting most of our players and doing the exact opposite of what even a 10 year old would do in our place, just to kill something that causes almost no harm to us!

 

Rest of Jagex: YEEAH!!!!"

 

 

 

If you picture that scene in your head... Your hate towards Jagex is waay more irrational than their hate towards RWT O_o

 

If they had to do a change like that, they WOULD NOT do it for something that causes not much problem. I know Jagex has acted in irrational ways and done a hell lot of stupid things in the past, but this?

 

 

 

Even a 10 year old would know this would be stupid, and i'm pretty sure the guys who made this decision know more about business than 10 year olds >.>

I'd be placated if I saw a statement from a bank or reputable financial newspaper/magazine saying that they were going to cut off credit service to Jagex. Since I haven't, and Jagex has a history of lying like the Empire of Man, I'm not buying it.

 

 

 

Also, may I point out, once again, in evidence of them making poor choices based on their feelings, THE THREAT MADE BY ONE OF THE OWNERS TO SUE A NONPROFIT FANSITE OVER AN OPINIONATED ARTICLE?