Tip.it Times 11 October 2009

[TheScienceFreak]

It seems I'm with the bandwagon here when I say that the first article got it all wrong. For one, the Grand Exchange is horribly flawed, and, if we are to follow JaGex's own trends, needs to be changed drastically, since it no longer serves its original purpose: to stop RWT.

 

Now, the article at hand here is simply wrong the current JaGex trend, which is actually covering up mistakes rather than admitting them. For one, all Trouble Brewing prices got slashed by 90% of their cost (making the rewards mean a tenth as much, and screwing old holders of these items over thousands of Pieces of Eight). This has been in the rants in both the German and English forums. The response in the German forums by a JMod who locked it, abbreviated, simply said: "Prices deflate over time. My phone is not worth as much as when I bought it, so this is a natural trend." This is, however, a lie, as this mistake occurred the same week that the Onyx prices were screwed up in the TzHaar area, when they changed how player stock was done. Onyx was fixed in two days, while the Trouble Brewing rewards were never fixed.

 

Relating that to the current state of the GE, JaGex simply wants to deny the fact that there's a problem. They occasionally want to get rid of the merchanters, while ignoring the blatant fact that there is RWT occurring on the GE system. As a radio announcer, Rush Limbaugh (not a huge fan, but this paraphrase is good) said, 'When a company makes a mistake, admits it, and fixes it, that's only a minor blunder. However, when they hide it and pretend that it was intended, that, sir, is horrible'.

 

So, JaGex simply should try to... I dunno, own up to their mistakes? I really don't like their new head honcho, because of this.

 

My article was not about the GE or prices. I used the GE as an example in my argument that just plain ranting isn't doing it's job anymore. If would have read the article in it's entirety you might have grasped the fact that I was only using it as an example. Discussing all the flaws in the GE would take thousands upon thousands of words which is not suited for an article, but more for a topic like this.

 

 

If that was your intention, it would have helped your argument loads better not to touch the topic of the GE. That said, what are we supposed to do for random things we don't like? Shoot text off into the breeze?

[Sir_Squab]

It seems I'm with the bandwagon here when I say that the first article got it all wrong. For one, the Grand Exchange is horribly flawed, and, if we are to follow JaGex's own trends, needs to be changed drastically, since it no longer serves its original purpose: to stop RWT.

 

Now, the article at hand here is simply wrong the current JaGex trend, which is actually covering up mistakes rather than admitting them. For one, all Trouble Brewing prices got slashed by 90% of their cost (making the rewards mean a tenth as much, and screwing old holders of these items over thousands of Pieces of Eight). This has been in the rants in both the German and English forums. The response in the German forums by a JMod who locked it, abbreviated, simply said: "Prices deflate over time. My phone is not worth as much as when I bought it, so this is a natural trend." This is, however, a lie, as this mistake occurred the same week that the Onyx prices were screwed up in the TzHaar area, when they changed how player stock was done. Onyx was fixed in two days, while the Trouble Brewing rewards were never fixed.

 

Relating that to the current state of the GE, JaGex simply wants to deny the fact that there's a problem. They occasionally want to get rid of the merchanters, while ignoring the blatant fact that there is RWT occurring on the GE system. As a radio announcer, Rush Limbaugh (not a huge fan, but this paraphrase is good) said, 'When a company makes a mistake, admits it, and fixes it, that's only a minor blunder. However, when they hide it and pretend that it was intended, that, sir, is horrible'.

 

So, JaGex simply should try to... I dunno, own up to their mistakes? I really don't like their new head honcho, because of this.

 

Even if the GE does not fully stop RWT, there is a lot less RWT and autoers then there used to. And frankly, I don't think we should blame the new head honcho for covering up mistakes; companies would usually rather try to hide mistakes then admit there were mistakes in the first place. It's not right, and they shouldn't do it, but I wouldn't personally hold MMG personally responsible for it. I'd bet quite a bit of money IRL if I could that most, if not all, CEO's of Jagex and other companies would rather hide a mistake then admit to doing it. And probably usually do, if they can.

 

I think the situation with Trouble Brewing for instance, would of had less rants if Jagex said what the probable truth is, that truth being that they realized the price of Naval and such was (in their opinion, which is all that really matters) that the price of these items costed too much and they wanted to lower it. However, judging by one of the summoning updates (where they cut shard costs from 50 to 25) they have the ability to pay the old holders of those items back for the money they spent on it, which they did not....Probably because there aren't enough people with full Naval there were screwed over because of this update to make it worth it.

 

Probably figured it wasn't worth it, since the majority of players don't have full Naval.

 

It seems I'm with the bandwagon here when I say that the first article got it all wrong. For one, the Grand Exchange is horribly flawed, and, if we are to follow JaGex's own trends, needs to be changed drastically, since it no longer serves its original purpose: to stop RWT.

 

Now, the article at hand here is simply wrong the current JaGex trend, which is actually covering up mistakes rather than admitting them. For one, all Trouble Brewing prices got slashed by 90% of their cost (making the rewards mean a tenth as much, and screwing old holders of these items over thousands of Pieces of Eight). This has been in the rants in both the German and English forums. The response in the German forums by a JMod who locked it, abbreviated, simply said: "Prices deflate over time. My phone is not worth as much as when I bought it, so this is a natural trend." This is, however, a lie, as this mistake occurred the same week that the Onyx prices were screwed up in the TzHaar area, when they changed how player stock was done. Onyx was fixed in two days, while the Trouble Brewing rewards were never fixed.

 

Relating that to the current state of the GE, JaGex simply wants to deny the fact that there's a problem. They occasionally want to get rid of the merchanters, while ignoring the blatant fact that there is RWT occurring on the GE system. As a radio announcer, Rush Limbaugh (not a huge fan, but this paraphrase is good) said, 'When a company makes a mistake, admits it, and fixes it, that's only a minor blunder. However, when they hide it and pretend that it was intended, that, sir, is horrible'.

 

So, JaGex simply should try to... I dunno, own up to their mistakes? I really don't like their new head honcho, because of this.

 

My article was not about the GE or prices. I used the GE as an example in my argument that just plain ranting isn't doing it's job anymore. If would have read the article in it's entirety you might have grasped the fact that I was only using it as an example. Discussing all the flaws in the GE would take thousands upon thousands of words which is not suited for an article, but more for a topic like this.

 

I can't see players doing anything other then ranting on forums and creating mass riots, neither of which do that much. Organizing anything but those two options is a logistical impossibility; or, more specifically, organizing anything but those two options to a large enough scale that it makes a difference is a logistical impossibility.

 

Also remember that when fixing problems, Jagex takes a long term approach while players take a short term approach. It's not comforting, band it doesn't make any point less valid, but it's good for ranting players to try and remember.

[Haaa_Haaa0]

I'm not sure if it was mentioned, but i think it would be useful to point out: The first article's reference to the american revolution is rather flawed. The British government wasn't broken, it was the leaders that were broken, in the same manner that a machine slowly wears down before the parts are replaced. (Anybody who has taken an in depth U.S. History course will agree that it was, in fact, the Americans in the wrong) The rest of the article just came across as preachy and whiny, but wasn't well enough written to pull off the attempt. I do agree with the message, that the players of Runescape need to take a more active approach to the problems of 76k'ers and Merchanting clans, but education is the key to this. Perhaps Tip.it could, as a community, take it upon themselves to educate the common player? Just a thought.

 

Haven't read the second article yet, just wanted to get my thougthts down. :razz:

[Master_Smither]

@rawr_im_very_scary: The players could do more and there have been cases where we have tried, but couldn't get a large enough group to make a protest without it turning into a riot. It can be done as long as a common cause is identified. It just might take awhile for players to actually get organized, but when they do it will make a greater stand than a thread with 100 supporters on RSOF in the rants section.

 

I'm not sure if it was mentioned, but i think it would be useful to point out: The first article's reference to the american revolution is rather flawed. The British government wasn't broken, it was the leaders that were broken, in the same manner that a machine slowly wears down before the parts are replaced. (Anybody who has taken an in depth U.S. History course will agree that it was, in fact, the Americans in the wrong) The rest of the article just came across as preachy and whiny, but wasn't well enough written to pull off the attempt. I do agree with the message, that the players of Runescape need to take a more active approach to the problems of 76k'ers and Merchanting clans, but education is the key to this. Perhaps Tip.it could, as a community, take it upon themselves to educate the common player? Just a thought.

 

Haven't read the second article yet, just wanted to get my thougthts down. :razz:

 

I am have taken AP American history and scored a 5 on the AP exam. The reference is not wrong as I have the books here with me at my desk and I used them as a reference. The British system could not rule an entire continent such as North America without a massive reform in politics. As John Adams said "the wheel has come off". If you wish to debate this we can, but let's do it via private message as it would just be spam on this topic.

[Lore]

There's so much wrong with this that for once I can't even be bothered writing about it.

 

Just to mention that there's a brilliant follow-up article in the works by Ts_Stormrage.

[nerdboyxxx]

The first one had a good point, but it could have been written a bit better. The second one is also a good one, because their definitely is separate groups of tif'ers. I see myself as an allround guy though, because I post a lot in general discussion, help & Advice, debate club, off-topic (and its separate categories) as well as blogscape and achive of wisdom. I also spend a little bit of time around the other boards, but not as much.