Bullied into suicide

[Minksy0]

Pinning blame on the lass? That's cold. Don't even try to evaluate her mental state under that sort of pressure - The mentally unstable are not directly responsible for their actions.

 

Is that how you feel about sociopath serial killers who lock up, rape, and torture their victims? Or are the only people on earth who aren't responsible for their actions the suicidal ones?

 

PS: It's more cold to try and justify it. I am trying to help people understand that they are the dictator of their own choices. They are in control. They are not hopeless. They are the one making the choice. You see, I am trying to get rid of that hopeless feeling that usually triggers suicide, whereas your argument is just reinforcing it.

 

Okay, now THAT is ignorance at It's finest right there.

 

Not everyone can have the same mindset as you. There are chemical processes in everyone's brain. Everyone's process is different. These processes are what individualize me from you, or you from her for instance. You couldn't just tell that to her, and she'd immediately understand. It does not work that way.

[Rock Hard]

Diminished responsibility, yes, but I don't see how having "uncontrollable sexual urges" justifies raping someone. Sounds more like a cop-out if anything. That's just a list of excuses that the government gave us. It doesn't really hold any objective credence in our little debate.

 

Ugh, you're pathetic. I don't want to turn a topic about this poor girls suicide into a 'little debate'.

 

You've made your point, I've said mine. No minds are changing.

 

Grow up, this isn't the place.

[Zierro]

Not everyone can have the same mindset as you. There are chemical processes in everyone's brain. These processes are what individualize me from you, or you from her for instance. You couldn't just tell that to her, and she'd immediately understand. It does not work that way.

 

So we have chemicals in our brains that automatically pick up knives and slash at ourselves? It's possible, but I highly doubt it.

 

All I'm saying is that she could have done things differently. She didn't have to commit suicide. If you disagree with that, then you're telling me it was impossible for her.

 

Ugh, you're pathetic. I don't want to turn a topic about this poor girls suicide into a 'little debate'.

 

You've made your point, I've said mine. No minds are changing.

 

Grow up, this isn't the place.

 

I take it you couldn't come up with a rebuttal. Don't worry, it happens. :wink:

[Rock Hard]

I take it you couldn't come up with a rebuttal. Don't worry, it happens. :wink:

 

Neg, i'm just not a [bleep]. ;)

 

For your pleasure: Knock yourself out. I'm going to bed, i'll have a ganders tomorrow.

[J35u5_M4]

Horrible...They don't even regret the fact that they led a poor young girl to her grave, instead they kept badmouthing...How can people be so mean? o_O

[BlindBaker]

Not everyone can have the same mindset as you. There are chemical processes in everyone's brain. These processes are what individualize me from you, or you from her for instance. You couldn't just tell that to her, and she'd immediately understand. It does not work that way.

 

So we have chemicals in our brains that automatically pick up knives and slash at ourselves? It's possible, but I highly doubt it.

Actually, I think there's some kind of genetic disease that causes people to mutilate themselves. But I don't think that's what we're talking about here.

 

But, I do agree with you. It's really not that hard to ignore insults. A couple years ago I went through more painful insults than "Irish [bleep]" (come on, really? They couldn't at least be original?), and back then I actually cared. These days if they tried that again, I'd just keep walking. Or punch them in the mouth. Hey, suspension beats suicide.

[Alg]

Grow up, this isn't the place.

This is Off-Topic. You come here for this kind of thing. Would be boring as hell otherwise... :mrgreen:

 

The thing to remember with the girls (all of them) is that in teenagers part of the brain is still developing until around age 24. You can say all you want about chemical processes and such but they work differently at that age than in adults... Part of the reason those depressing anti-depressant commercials have warnings against giving them to teens... :razz:

[ember3579]

Zierro, think about it this way. Everyone has a certain level of resistance to this sort of thing; yours and mine are considerably higher than the rest of humanity. This girl might not have been so lucky. Being isolated and psychologically tortured tends to have an effect on people; that's a big part of what makes prison such a bad place. Without someone to back them up, some people crack under pressure like this. It's not always the same way, either; some just take themselves out, others have drastic personality changes (sometimes, even various versions of psychotic breaks), others say "Screw it" and turn the "school" that they were tormented in into a graveyard in any way they can. Yes, a certain level of responsibility lies on the person committing suicide; there's nobody else that's putting that knife to their throats physically. However, I (and a lot of other people as well, apparently) believe that the vast majority of the blame lies on the people who tormented the victim until they snapped. I still say that it's insulting to the victims to say that they just have to suck it up and move on. Again, not everyone can do that.

[Zierro]

Everyone has a certain level of resistance to this sort of thing; yours and mine are considerably higher than the rest of humanity.

 

Because I choose to live that way.

 

This girl might not have been so lucky.

 

It isn't really about luck. It's whether or not she chooses to take those annoyances to an extreme level or just brush them off. Here's a good quote from Eleanor Roosevelt: No one can make you feel inferior without your permission.

 

Being isolated and psychologically tortured tends to have an effect on people

 

Yes, and inspiration tends to have an effect on people too - which is what I'm striving for here. When you treat suicide as a problem that needs to be fixed, you're telling them that it's wrong, discouraging them from choosing to do it, and pointing out the fact that they are NOT hopeless. When you try to justify it and say it's not really her fault, you're only being counterproductive in the fight against suicide.

 

Imagine her putting her own body on trial before she made the choice to commit suicide. The case: Should I do this? The prosecution: The will to kill herself. The defendant: Her own body. By justifying the act of committing suicide, you are siding with the prosecution. I am on the side of the girl who got bullied - not the people who are trying to bring her down (which was the prosecutor [her will to kill herself] in this instance). Honestly, I think that she was treating herself worse than the bullies were treating her.

 

However, I (and a lot of other people as well, apparently) believe that the vast majority of the blame lies on the people who tormented the victim until they snapped.

 

Yes, if it wasn't for them, she would have probably not killed herself. They were monsters who have hurt her tremendously, but all the insults in the world cannot force you to kill yourself. In the end, the decision is 100% your own personal choice. As for her being hurt, I'd say both parties are to blame.

 

Again, not everyone can do that.

 

You're just taking those who did not, and claiming that they could not. Where is your proof that it's impossible for them to do so? Seriously, besides herself, what was holding her back from moving on?

 

Yes, a certain level of responsibility lies on the person committing suicide; there's nobody else that's putting that knife to their throats physically.

 

I'm grateful that we can at least agree on that. Strangely, some people think that suicidal people have nothing to do with it and that it's not their fault at all.