Clans Merging?

[Danny_TeamDan]

Well with the Posion merge with that one clan [ Totally blanked out and forgot who it was with ] and now Ascension + Godz I'm starting to wonder some things..

 

Do you think new clans are rushingly made and not meant to have long term loyal members?

 

Do you suspect more smaller/new clans to look to merge?

 

Do you think the merges are built to last or just a short burst of life?

 

 

 

 

Do you think new clans are rushingly made and not meant to have long term loyal members?

Seems like most clans are made somewhat fast, New clans overall are fairly hard to make with less quality members to recruit from and are somewhat of a risk to join. They do have their loyal members but I think once you hit that slump you really loose everyone except the loyal ones. Which leaves you with a really small base of members/ranks

 

Do you suspect more smaller/new clans to look to merge?

Let's hope not, don't think merges are built to last.

 

Do you think the merges are built to last or just a short burst of life?

Short burst of life, There will be conflicts/confusions but at the same time there are possibilities for stuff to work out, it's no different than making a new clan I geuss? Except you potentially have already forums/audio organized. Solving ranks and stuff must be annoying and could cause tons of drama. Plus if one person from clan a leaves the merged clan his/her friends or people who looked up to the person leaving might leave as well. I wonder how clans decided to merge, if they had a good relationship before like did joint pk trips it might work out better, but I'm not sure godz+asc had much in common/allied with each other? Should be interesting.

[thekooldude]

not gonna answer your questions or even read your damn long answers lol but still further-on

 

 

in todays clan worlds smaller clans struggle very hard to survive, they have to deal with larger clans crashing wars and all that other rubbish, many see a merge as a way out of this, in my opinion this is the wrong idea, if they struggle more and more but manage to see the light at any time, they can make it through. merge's hardly work, especially between two clans that hardly know eachother ( i.e. ascension and godz) and it becomes even worse when things are rushed (i.e. ascension and godz) but for some reason they still manage to occur.

 

 

if you didnt get the gist of that i was against the ascension and godz merge as an ascension member.

 

 

~kool_dude~

[Lq82]

with some merging its not about a clan slumping due to members leaving; its about surviving in this clan world. Its not like what it was 2 yrs ago were small clans had a fighting chance, now its all about being the top clans to make it. Ascensions still had loyal members and wasn't slumping we had one person leave that don't hurt a clan. It was desided to help survive and be a med size clan. Where we can war new clans and not get taken over by larger ones.

[bear1108]

Do you think new clans are rushingly made and not meant to have long term loyal members?

Most of them are rushingly made and will end up in a month or disappear in a bigger clan.

 

Do you suspect more smaller/new clans to look to merge?

Unfortunately, yes.

 

Do you think the merges are built to last or just a short burst of life?

Short. We merged with Exer last sumer but after 3 months we got out. Every clan has its own way, so when a merge happens the clans have to get used to the other which is not easy or they don't even want to.

[mrmyk]

In most cases, they will have an inevitable increase in options, but will slowly decline over a period of time. We're seeing that with Poison right now, but they will probably maintain a decent amount instead of slumping horribly.

[Sy_Accursed]

I think a lot of the more naive clan leaders see merging as the holy grail to save them in this time when clans seem to be a bit of a dying breed.

 

But I don't think that's the issue, from what I've seen most clans are slumping because there are a lot more "join and do nothing" members about and more and more I'm in the clan but don't bother going to any events etc but whine that the clan is "dead"

 

Merging rarely works though, you just gotta battle through it. That's what my clan is doing, we were never huge but we used to hoover close to 100 members, and we dropped right down to like 25 but have stayed firm and clawed our way bk up to 40ish members. If you can make the events and find the decent members you can achieve anything without needing to merge or anything.

[CruelKiller]

Do you think new clans are rushingly made and not meant to have long term loyal members?

uhm it all depends on the members?

 

Do you suspect more smaller/new clans to look to merge?

well it will give them a stronger and bigger clan for them to step up to the next level instead of staying small so yea

 

Do you think the merges are built to last or just a short burst of life?

most merges are short probably because of the different things between both clans like organization doesnt work between clans

[HAR]

Do you think new clans are rushingly made and not meant to have long term loyal members?

I wouldn't call these new clans rushed. Since the clan world's numbers are always declining, slowly at least, small clans may feel the need to combine forces so that they can compete at a higher level as an easy ticket to the top 15. They may feel that as more small and middle sized clans are dieing, there aren't enough opponents lower down so merge to compete higher up.

 

Do you suspect more smaller/new clans to look to merge?

I can't see any in the near future merging but then again I wouldn't have predicted the two you listed.

 

Do you think the merges are built to last or just a short burst of life?

They can give you a step up to the next teer but you can easily fall down one if not more than you were on before if it isn't successful.

[Makaaveli]

Blasphemy wouldn't be blasphemy if we merged. When a large influx of new people come in, many things change. The most important of those changes is the community and the overall feel of the clan that you once felt. In other words, to most it feels like they've literally just joined a new clan.

 

Clans merge to survive, but undoubtly theres a power driven purpose behind it aswell. As far as my clan goes, were a small clan and I'd honestly prefer us to die out then change into something completly different to who we are. Even if we did a merge and became the number 1 clan on RS, it wouldn't ever feel right simply because of the methods used. If we ever do reach the top then I'd prefer it to be upon our own created strength and power.

[Uffan5]

Do you think new clans are rushingly made and not meant to have long term loyal members?

Yes, most clans are made without a solid plan to improve and usually close pretty fast.

 

Do you suspect more smaller/new clans to look to merge?

Possibly, if they feel they can work well together and don't care about being able to become a strong clan themselves without a merge.

 

Do you think the merges are built to last or just a short burst of life?

It depends on how the clans interact with one another. If they work well together they can last, but if there is conflict they won't last long.

[bkj]

Do you think new clans are rushingly made and not meant to have long term loyal members?

-I think that the new potential clans are just ending up as teams, simply due to a lack of members that are willing to join a clan with 5-10 people. Instead; they would rather join a clan with 50+ people. So they merely ask loyal clan members to join, converting the 'clan' into a 'team'.

 

Do you suspect more smaller/new clans to look to merge?

-I think if smaller clans do merge, they need to be good friends and strong allies with the other clan for at least 6 months first, slowly becoming one. If a merge is rushed into it will not work due to a argument, or a small problem will arise in the hierachy of the clan. Consequently causing a grudge or a dislike between the leaders, causing the downfall of the clan. Think of it like this: If you get a cup of pure water, and add some ink, as you stir the two together the difference may become less apparent, but there will always be that ink present. As more water is added to the cup, the ink will become fainter, but it will always be present. - If a clan manages to make sure that the divide between the clans is weak and that the merge can be made successfully then i think it can be successful. But there will always be a threat of segregation and favouratism in the hierachy.

 

Do you think the merges are built to last or just a short burst of life?

-It all really depends on how the merge is publicised within the clan, if it is made with the support of all members, it still needs to be very gradual, not rushing into it. It may give a short burst of life but i dont think thats wanted by a clan as after a short burst of life, the clan state will just seem worse.

[IloveTK]

I think all the 15-30 ranked clans should all merge up and make 2 big clans so more competition and action in wildy its always VR RSD EOS TT we need more action so it wouldn't be bad idea if few clans merged up.

[Jack]

Do you think new clans are rushingly made and not meant to have long term loyal members?

Not exactly rushed, but I believe some new clans are built without planning.

 

Do you suspect more smaller/new clans to look to merge?

Yeah, it's hard to survive as a small clan and I'm sure there will be a few more merges before Summer.

Do you think the merges are built to last or just a short burst of life?

They will not survive, because the clan that's merging into another will miss their old identity.

[Sy_Accursed]

I think all the 15-30 ranked clans should all merge up and make 2 big clans so more competition and action in wildy its always VR RSD EOS TT we need more action so it wouldn't be bad idea if few clans merged up.

 

Have you ever stopped to consider its because you are too big and don't follow any particular high code of honour that there is no competition?

 

If the huge clans just jump the little clans all the time in the wild and obliterate them as they have like 5:1 members, then the little clans just give up trying to do the pking side of things or the members quit and join the big clans. In my view if the bigger clans issued a little restraint and form of honour and didn't continually lure and jump tiny clans who stand no chance agaisnt their ops the smaller clans wouldn't lose heart and thus would grow and have a chance to give a bit of competition and fair game to the big clans.

[kuru72]

wow I never knew Ascension merged with Godz Godz merged with Ascension.....well I hope there would be some good outcomes from their merge.

Edited February 13, 2010 by kuru72

[pumkinpie37]

Do you think new clans are rushingly made and not meant to have long term loyal members?

most of the clan's that do merge only have loyal members so they join together

 

Do you suspect more smaller/new clans to look to merge?

yes, i don't mind it though

 

Do you think the merges are built to last or just a short burst of life?

their built to last but only some clans can successfully do it

[Nobody]

I don't think clans are made in haste though people don't always realize how hard it is to start a new clan and grow. I think clans merge because they decide it is beneficial for both sides. I would assume merges are built to last other what would be the point of merging. Violent Resolution is actually the result of a merge and they're still around today as proof that merges have long term value.

[Killert]

Do you think new clans are rushingly made and not meant to have long term loyal members?

 

Making a new clan in this time is really really hard, i haven't seen a new clan becoming a strong force for a while.

 

Only clan i can think of was Syndicate but we all know how long this lasted, i think that if you want to build a new clan in this time you need alot of members to start with who are dedicated + loyal.

Clans with 20 people max start won't survive as we have seen several times by now.

 

Do you suspect more smaller/new clans to look to merge?

 

I think alot of clans have to merge to stay alive, its worth a try but most of the time it will end up as a fail.

 

Do you think the merges are built to last or just a short burst of life?

 

Most of the time a merge won't work, in the start you only see the positive things about it but that will change after a while if there are coming intern issues.

 

So yea a short burst of life.

[karanbest3]

Do you think new clans are rushingly made and not meant to have long term loyal members?

Yea

 

Do you suspect more smaller/new clans to look to merge?

Not really

 

Do you think the merges are built to last or just a short burst of life?

Personally i have been many merges and 90% of em fail, and it just disturb the atmosphere mostly coz members of 2 clans are different from each other noone wants to adopts the other 1's things vice versa from other

Their can be timing problems,problems in many things so personally i dont like merges

[Sanctus_Petrus]

It's pointless being a small pk clan since the wildy is dominated by powerhouses. Merges are only meant to help the community stay together as oppose to closing and everyone going their way.

[Mister_T]

nop

[mrmyk]

It's pointless being a small pk clan since the wildy is dominated by powerhouses. Merges are only meant to help the community stay together as oppose to closing and everyone going their way.

There is a joy to running around the Wilderness, sniping small teams, instead of fighting larger clans.

[Sy_Accursed]

It's pointless being a small pk clan since the wildy is dominated by powerhouses. Merges are only meant to help the community stay together as oppose to closing and everyone going their way.

There is a joy to running around the Wilderness, sniping small teams, instead of fighting larger clans.

 

But there is no joy in trying to have a fun trip with your small clan only to have 60+ opps from a huge clan jump you then be an complete [wagon] about how they "owned" you and you are rubbish. And then purposefully find your clan again and again.

 

It's like of course you "owned" us there's 5 of us and like 60 of you.

 

I fail to see how these big clans can even find it fun to do, as it lacks any challenge or skill its just a case of lol pile em theres so many of thus they'll either tele or be dead within seconds

[Sup3rC0zm0]

Merges are a sensitive matter. If two clans are considering forming one there is a lot to ask their clan members and to discuss with the other clan's officials.

 

I can't really talk about how other clans plan things, because I only know what I've seen. Some may merge for short term purposes as to win tournaments or go out with a bang, but others (like asc+godz) are planning to go for the long run.

[Venomous]

Do you think new clans are rushingly made and not meant to have long term loyal members?

 

No because who said merges have to be rushed ? Poison and FoL ( the clan you forgot Dandaman.) never rushed anything when we merged, we had atleast a month of discussions before we made any final decisions. While discussing all of this, we got both communities together to get to know each other, and it worked out for us getting along with each other, considering most of us knew each other for 3+ years long from both clans. Also, thiers different reasons for why clans merge, not because they are dying or slumping, because they want something new, like bigger wars, more pkri's. Poison was pulling 90+ opts alone, fol was pulling 60+ opts alone, we both got together and now we're fighting clans in a whole new level. After this merge, none of our loyal members left us nor anyone else new to the clan with a reason about a merge.

 

Do you suspect more smaller/new clans to look to merge?

 

Depends what they want, if they want to move on to bigger wars, than sure. It only makes the clan world more alive.

 

Do you think the merges are built to last or just a short burst of life?

 

It depends how the merge is planned out, but I would hope merges are built to last. But all clans do have slumps eventually.