March 6, 201016 yr I don't trust the KB a lot of the time-- your defence level has nothing to do with your magic defence Don't mean to be rude or anything, but what is your source for this? I've seen this said before (along with similar things like the 20:80 ratio mentioned below your post) but only ever on these forums. I've seen it on Rune wiki too but they don't give a source. Back before trade limits I was a mage staker and fought thousands of opponents... Several of which were 99 in all combat stats, and several were 1 defence but 99 mage. Regardless of their defence level, I'd always have the same accuracy against them. Sometimes I'd kill people w/ 1 defence with four casts, sometimes I'd kill maxed players with four casts. Sometimes I'd splash every spell against someone with 1 defence till they killed me, sometimes I'd splash every spell against a maxed person till they killed me. My opponents' defence levels offered no significant additional protection. Only their magic level and equipment mattered. Also, I'd sometimes do mage vs melee stakes-- in which case I'd only fight people with lvl 85 magic or lower. Several of my opponents were maxed melees but with only like lvl 80 magic... As long as they were below about 85 magic, it was pretty much guaranteed that I'd win. Furthermore, I beat them with 4 casts pretty consistently. Of course your anecdotal evidence from observations several years in the past is much more trustworthy than a direct quote from the developer... He's not forcing you to agree with him, he's just stating his opinion on the matter, which he has every right to believe is true... I don't post here much, mainly because of all the little cliques there are going on. He was stating his opinion as fact, which is a pet peeve of mine. I don't personally know any of these people, but welcome anyone to be annoyed with me. Barrows: 9~2 V Brass,V Flail,2 Dh Plate,V Helm,V Skirt,T Legs,Malevolent Shield + DKing: 48~6 W Ring,13 A Ring,8 M Staff,9 S Ring,7 B Ring,3 SeercullDragon Drops: 500+~50+ Med,26 Axe,3 Chain,10+ Legs,10+ Spear,2 D2h,10+ L Half,49 Boots,2 DDs,10+ Lump,9 Claws,50+ Dagger,14 Visage,50+ Mace,4 Scimitar,7 Hasta,Baxe,50+ Long,30+ Royal,2 Kite,4 Ward,2 Plate,Staff,Hammer,Limbs, Mattock,HalberdGWD: 156~4 S Staff,50+ Shard,9 B Tass,13 B Plate,5 B Boots,6 A Plate,11 S Sword,8 A Hilt,4 A Skirt,9 A Helm,S Hilt,3 B Hilt,B Glove,2 A Buckler,Z Ward,Z Garb,2 Z Boots,B Shield,B Helm Corp: 3~Elysian,2 Sp Sh + Nex: 6~Torva Legs,Cere,P cowl,Z bow,2 T boots + GWD2: 9~2 Glaive,Wand,2 Crest,Blade,2 Essence,Core + Araxyte: 5~Web,3 Pheromone,Fang + Raids: 4~3 Codex,P Boots + Trails: 2~Bob Shirt,Fortunate Etc: 64~3 Sceptre,B Mask,16 Whip,2 Focus Sight,5 D Bow,7 SOL,Ragefire,2 Steadfast,Arma Staff,6 Rider Armor,5 Vine,2 Razorback,2 A Wand,Abby Orb,3 Blood Shard,6 Hydrix,Gland,Asc Xbow [spoiler=Capes]Quest Cape Aquired 12-7-07 ~ Level 93 + + + Completionist Cape Aquired 5-22-15 ~ Level 138Hitpoints Cape Aquired 9-21-09 ~ Level 131 + Magic Cape Aquired 9-24-09 + Attack Cape Aquired 3-5-10 ~ Level 135 + Summoning Cape Aquired 3-12-10Strength Cape Aquired 6-1-11 ~ Level 137 + Fire Cape Aquired 6-23-11 + Defence Cape Aquired 7-5-11 + Ranged Cape Aquired 8-1-11 + Kiln Cape Aquired 2-26-12 ~ Level 138Dungeoneering Cape Aquired 4-22-12 + Slayer Cape Aquired 6-25-14 ~ Level 200 + Herblore Cape Acquired 12-9-14 ~ Level 138 + Prayer Cape Acquired 12-20-14Agility Cape Acquired 1-4-15 + Hunter Cape Acquired 1-30-15 + Construction Cape Acquired 1-31-15 + Crafting Cape Acquired 2-22-15 + Thieving Cape Acquired 3-18-15Runecrafting Cape Acquired 4-14-15 + Mining Cape Acquired 4-19-15 + Fishing Cape Acquired 4-25-15 + Firemaking Cape Acquired 4-26-15 + Woodcutting Cape Acquired 4-26-15Cooking Cape Acquired 4-26-15+ Smithing Cape Acquired 4-28-15 + Farming Cape Acquired 4-29-15 + Divination Cape Acquired 5-3-15 + Dungeoneering Mastery 5-4-15Fletching Cape Acquired 5-4-15 + Max Cape Acquired 5-4-15 + Invention Cape Acquired 11-9-16 + Invention Mastery 5-16-19 + Archaeology Cape Acquired 10-30-20
March 6, 201016 yr He was stating his opinion as fact, which is a pet peeve of mine. I don't personally know any of these people, but welcome anyone to be annoyed with me. Fair enough. Not trying to accuse anyone personally, but it really can be like a school playground on these forums, and I do feel for the poor guys who are asking genuine questions or w/e, and get mocked as a result... OT: Also with a staking backround, I had no reason to believe that defense level helped out at all against magic. I also do not trust developers implicitly. For example, (and I know they are completely different genres) in Cod 4, 5 and 6 the gun stats, as charted by the developers are entirely wrong. Not saying Jagex are lying to us, I just don't rule out the possibility of errors.
March 6, 201016 yr He was stating his opinion as fact, which is a pet peeve of mine. I don't personally know any of these people, but welcome anyone to be annoyed with me.It is not fact, but is is also not opinion, it is observation. Possibly cursory observation.
March 6, 201016 yr Magic - Magic defence so Defence against Magic.. same with Melee defence is defence against Melee and NOT magic.. so yes Muggi is right and it's been known to be the case for a long time.
March 6, 201016 yr He was stating his opinion as fact, which is a pet peeve of mine. I don't personally know any of these people, but welcome anyone to be annoyed with me. If it bothers you that much add me and we'll test it out sometime :thumbsup:
March 6, 201016 yr Your magic defence is 50% defence level and 50% magic level. So lets say someone has 82 defence and 74 magic. 82+74 =156. 156/2 = 78. So that person's magic defence level would be 78. Whips: 3 Dragon Boots: 15 My 99's: Attack & Cooking Youtube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/Goldenjkered
March 6, 201016 yr Your magic defence is 50% defence level and 50% magic level. So lets say someone has 82 defence and 74 magic. 82+74 =156. 156/2 = 78. So that person's magic defence level would be 78. That doesn't really deal with what I asked, you just pulled another random ratio out of thin air. Magic - Magic defence so Defence against Magic.. same with Melee defence is defence against Melee and NOT magic.. so yes Muggi is right and it's been known to be the case for a long time. I don't really understand your post. are you saying that the defence stat only applies melee defence? If that's what you're saying I sincerely doubt that is the case.7 I'm not disagreeing with what Muggi is saying, I would just like a source and if it turned out to be true, I would honestly be quite suprised as this would make the Magic stat a bit unbalanced compared to the other stats. I'm pretty sure your ranged defence doesn' t contribute to your ranged defence so you can see why I'd be suprised. Click the pic if you wanna see a Ranged Slayer blog.
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