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[tripsis]

So just because we like to talk about random things, that makes our posts invalid?

We have forum rules against spam and off-topic posts. Look at this entire thread, for instance. It is FILLED with spam, one word posts and other posts that would not be tolerated in any other forum. We are exercising a small amount of leniency here and post count being disabled is the price you have to pay for that.

 

However, threads going off-topic is not the sole reason. As I said earlier, we consider this forum to be closest to Forum Games (given that you guys have role-playing games) and post count is also disabled in the Forum Games board.

 

Also everything that Das said :P

[The Dark Lord]

If post's were considered "unworthy" they would not be in public view, the casual conversation format of this forum and laid back atmosphere where role play and banter seamlessly flow interchangeably was the major catalyst for making this change.

 

2) Which forums are not included in my post count? Why not? (AKA Why isn't my post count increasing?!)

 

The following forums do not count towards your post count:

o The Marketplace

o RuneScape Clan Recruitment Centre

o Graveyard

o Player vs Player

o Forum Games

o Tip.Iters Runescape Events

o Blogscape

o Rate This! (Achievements and Goals too!)

o Questionnaires

o The Art Bazaar

o Falador Library & Falador Tavern

 

This is because many of the posts in these forums are one line, or even one word, and do not constitute "worthy" posts.

 

http://forum.tip.it/topic/47593-tip-it-forum-guide-post-count/

 

Read your own content, Das.

[tripsis]

Would it make you happy if we updated the description? That sticky was written years and years ago and that one sentence was never updated.

[Laikrob]

It's a 4 years old guide, but thanks for pointing out that it's in dire need of updating beyond the list of forums. :)

[jasignhagj]

And the falador library? My god, they write full books each post there.

Need to refresh more often.

 

I fail to see how we are like forum games. I think of forum games as a place people go and have fun in while they wait for a response to a topic. While it has some hardcore members, the majority just drop in. The majority of us in Tavern spend most of, if not all of our time here. The main feature of the forum to us is the Tavern. So when we do go out and post in the other boards, our time and posts here should be respected, and shown.

[The_Mather1]

I don't even get why bother to make posts in the tavern not count. It shouldn't really matter to "outsiders" wether they counted, and the Todays top 20 posters used to be a way to let them notice we were here.

 

Also the majority of our posts have more substance than most others on the forum; in sugguestions it is mostly "I support/No support" and in the forum games there's mostly just single sentances, as for Off-Topic and the others I can't really say because it varies with the thread or I haven't visited.

[Wisp]

the casual conversation format of this forum and laid back atmosphere where role play and banter seamlessly flow(s) interchangeably...

Reminds me of another forum where, despite it's original purpose is mostly just random banter, yet that counts towards the post count.

 

How is this really similar to forum games? In name, yes, but aside from that? Go to forum games, and look at the top page or so of threads. Point out the similarities.

[das]

I've read my own content, you'll have to realize that I didn't write that personally and in my 2+ years on staff, I've pushed for major change to make those older stickies like that to make them be more clarified and relevant in 2010 to meet our communities need. A recent example would be the removal of the G rating tidbit from the rules. That post - sadly is another antiquated one that was reposted and is probably a good 5 or 6 old and in dire need of a rewrite - I have it in my power to do that right now - but it needs to be a staff discussion on the best way to actually write that rule - without offending the communities and cultures in that actual forum

 

You also seem to miss the fact that this forum oddly enough slides seamlessly between quality roleplay - and...Banter that honestly like all banter doesn't exactly fit the description of what we feel is worthy of post count.

 

I have nothing wrong with this forum, if I did - I wouldn't be here actually trying to explain the issues and commiserate that I understand your furor over post count being revoked here - no ill will was meant nor targeted towards the wonderful community you have here, and i mean that with all of my heart.

[The Dark Lord]

Would it make you happy if we updated the description? That sticky was written years and years ago and that one sentence was never updated.

 

That would indeed help. I was a little peeved off because I remember the exact wording from the aforementioned sticky, so when I found out that post count no longer increases in this forum board, it seemed that the admins no longer believed our posts to be worthy.

 

I think that it should be changed to something more accurate, such as: "Posts on forum boards that exceed the normal posting standard, by an order of magnitude, will also be exempted from post count. This is not a reflection of the quality of the posts."

[das]

Again: Worthiness is a bad word, leftover from an administration team and community that has long evolved both idealistically and culturally.

[jasignhagj]

And, it is nice that you didn't bother to mention this to us, instead letting us have the adventure of figuring it out for our selves. And don't tell me you cant change those stickies, someone had to put in the line about Falador Tavern.

[paul191600]

I feel devalued :thumbdown:

An announcement would have been at least nice, as some people here actually spend time thinking of good storylines to post for RP content. Then how come the people over at off-topic video games get their posts counted? That board has the same kind of posts, if not shorter.

[das]

Whoever removed the postcount, probably went and updated the thread without actually thinking "oh hey, this should be reworded".

 

I can honestly say i never fathomed post count removal would upset the community here to the degree it did

[a_bert]

I don't mind!

 

Though surely you've noticed the degree SOME of the members of this subforum overreact ALL THE TIME?

 

EDIT: that sentence doesn't make sense but hopefully you got the gist

[paul191600]

Well for me, the post count doesn't make a massive difference. It's just really the whole thought that counts though, which probably upset everyone here to some degree. It gives a sense of alienation from the forums, and we were already relocated from off-topic with little consent (no offense toward archi, you are a great moderator).

[The Dark Lord]

Again: Worthiness is a bad word, leftover from an administration team and community that has long evolved both idealistically and culturally.

 

I know this is a change of subject (and don't misinterpret it by thinking that the tone of this post is condescending), but what was wrong with the community in 2006? That was the year that I joined, and I instantly fell in love with the community. People were more mature. The mod squad was much stricter, yes, but they were also more mature and still were extremely friendly and helpful. All of them were. Now the moderators that are selected nowadays are much poorer quality compared to 2006. I can't say that I exactly liked it when I said '[bleep]' and ended up getting a warning for it, but I do respect what the community was 4 years ago. Quite frankly, it was superior.

 

Anyway, I apologize for getting off-subject. Times have just changed, I suppose. Maybe my outlook on the Tip.it community from 2006 is too romantic.

[a_bert]

Maybe you're too romantic, Sere!

[jasignhagj]

I think it's more of the fact that it was done behind our backs, and that we were put in the same post an the words 'Not "worthy"'.

 

Postcount is one of the ways we advertise the Tavern. Someone looks on the list of today's top posters, clicks on nex/mather/archi/whoever. They look at their profile, and see that they are talking about this thing called hegemony, and think it sounds cool. So they read the thread, and bam, new member.

[das]

As a user here since 2001 i'd say

 

2001-mid 2003 - tip.it's best years

2003 - 2005 - scapeboard was the worst ran forum on the web - essentially running off most clans and pvpers and longtime community members to othersites during this time.

2006-2007 - a long slow rebuilding process, I did

2008-2010 - taking slow but long strides towards recreating tip.it's golden years of supremacy and utter dominance

 

 

The era you romanticize i consider an era where the administration struggles to build past 2 years of biased moderating, unfair bans and having a fairly conservative rule-set

[jasignhagj]

What was wrong with 2003-2005?

 

EDIT - 11 users viewing this topic.

[Wisp]

What was wrong with 2003-2005?

 

 

2 years of biased moderating, unfair bans and having a fairly conservative rule-set

 

I think that sums it up, from what I've heard.

I joined 2006 (like sere), so I never experienced any of that, and I was only active with the TET portion of the forums for a long time then, so I didn't notice anything.

[das]

Secondly before I sleep i'll address one more facet - the comment on the lack of quality in current mods.

 

Our moderation team is for starters, all volunteers, but let me tell you - and i'm not one to post bull[cabbage], i'm a straight shooter. We have the best moderation team, crew and staff teams we have ever had in our near decade as a website, our staff is unbiased, our moderators - in my view are hardworking and friendly and active parts of our community. I will not discuss staff on an individual manner but i do believe we have a strong, and amazing staff

 

 

Postcount is one of the ways we advertise the Tavern.

 

If you are having to advertise based on a higher postcount by playing and not content, i worry for the future of your forum.

 

off to bed i go.

[tripsis]

The way I see it, either we (admins/mods) can crack down on spam/off-topic posts and thus remove our leniency in this forum and reinstate post count. Or you can accept the loss of post count and our leniency will remain. Again, just looking at this thread, there are spammy posts that we let slide here that would be removed in any other forum on Tip.it (names removed from quotes):

 

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:)

 

Lol

 

 

This thread...

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Plus off-topic posts and other spam posts that I missed.

 

This change was not mean to be some uber secret thing that we hoped you guys would never find out. It seems like some of you are taking this VERY personally when it was certainly not meant to be a personal attack on the forum. We honestly do not view post count as a huge deal and simply didn't feel that it needed or deserved an announcement.

 

Now the moderators that are selected nowadays are much poorer quality compared to 2006.

Just adding onto what Das said, keep any and all unkind staff comments to yourself please or bring it up privately with an administrator. Saying that our moderators are of a poor quality is basically staff bashing and is not appropriate or necessary. And I also agree with Das in saying that we currently have the best staff that we've ever had on Tip.it.

[jasignhagj]

it's not like the off-topic mods let us post a recruitment there. Honestly, the only way people can find this forum is if they click on it, or if someone tells them about it, which we can't do because that would be going off-topic.Oh, and signature links,but that's still not much.

 

Tripsis, give me 5 minutes and I can find 4x that amount of crap in off topic, easily.

[tripsis]

it's not like the off-topic mods let us post a recruitment there. Honestly, the only way people can find this forum is if they click on it, or if someone tells them about it, which we can't do because that would be going off-topic.Oh, and signature links,but that's still not much.

There are other forums that would enjoy advertisement just as much (Forum Games, people wanting actors/etc. in RuneScape Media, recruiting artists to The Art Bazaar, people advertising their blogs, the Varrock Library, etc.). But we simply cannot have every forum advertising through various means (whether it's by collecting massive post counts or posting advertisements in other forums).

 

Tripsis, give me 5 minutes and I can find 4x that amount of crap in off topic, easily.

If you find any posts like the above in Off-Topic, then they slipped under the radar. If a moderator saw them they should and would be removed, I guarantee it. THAT'S the difference. In Off-Topic and other boards they are not allowed/tolerated (things do slip through the cracks, we aren't all powerful being with a built-in spam radar), but we let them slide in this forum.