I can't decide which one to use. I have used Berserker ring, but suddenly i changed to Onyx ring.

 

Now Onyx:

+6 Stab

 

Berserker ring:

+8 Strength

 

I am praying:

so all defence stats is irrelevant.

 

 

How much more damage do i get with +8 Strength bonus? And which would you use? Depending on much more damage i get from using Berserker ring i might continue to use Onyx.

Does it really matter that much? I would say onyx with zspear and zerker with rapier, but I doubt it really makes that much of a difference.

At mithril dragons, I use Zerker (i) and Zammy Spear. So I'd imagine steels aren't much different.

Does anyone know how much damage a Berserker ring gives? If it gives 1-3 damage more, then it's not better than Onyx ring to me. But if it's 4 or more, then i might think about it.

It's dependent on your strength bonuses. Play around with the Tip.it max hit calculator and experiment with different builds.

Rule of thumb is that +4 strength = +10 max hit. So +8 strength should be +20 max hit, before taking into account slayer helm and prayer.

According to Tip.it's Max Hit Calculator Berserker ring (I) Gives 1,3 more damage. If this is right then Onyx is way better to use.

You should use Onyx Ring (i) if less than 50% of your hits do not hit. I believe that's from Zarfot's Mega Slayer guide. I abide to that guideline and it works out pretty well :mrgreen:

I would do what Losing Games said and use onyx if you're using a ZS, and zerker if you're using a rapier.

I don't get it. I got Berserker ring (I) thinking i would hit +2-4 more damage, not 1.3...

 

So what good is this ring if it hits very little? And can someone PLEASE tell me that i am wrong about Berserker ring giving ONLY 1.3 more damage? And stop the [bleep] telling me to use Rapier +Berserker or Zspear + Onyx .

I don't get it. I got Berserker ring (I) thinking i would hit +2-4 more damage, not 1.3...

 

So what good is this ring if it hits very little? And can someone PLEASE tell me that i am wrong about Berserker ring giving ONLY 1.3 more damage? And stop the [bleep] telling me to use Rapier +Berserker or Zspear + Onyx .

 

Why do you ask for advice and then tell people to stop when they try to give it to you? Every little bit of strength adds up.

 

You're obviously just going to do whatever you feel like doing regardless of the advice you're given, so go ahead and use your onyx (i) for everything.

I don't get it. I got Berserker ring (I) thinking i would hit +2-4 more damage, not 1.3...

 

So what good is this ring if it hits very little? And can someone PLEASE tell me that i am wrong about Berserker ring giving ONLY 1.3 more damage? And stop the [bleep] telling me to use Rapier +Berserker or Zspear + Onyx .

 

Why do you ask for advice and then tell people to stop when they try to give it to you? Every little bit of strength adds up.

 

You're obviously just going to do whatever you feel like doing regardless of the advice you're given, so go ahead and use your onyx (i) for everything.

One of the things that was part of my "advice" was how much damage a Berserker ring (I) gives, and noone here have said or confirmed how much. So what the hell are you talking about?

One of the things that was part of my "advice" was how much damage a Berserker ring (I) gives, and noone here have said or confirmed how much. So what the hell are you talking about?

 

And stop the [bleep] telling me to use Rapier +Berserker or Zspear + Onyx .

 

Hurr.

You should use Onyx Ring (i) if less than 50% of your hits do not hit. I believe that's from Zarfot's Mega Slayer guide. I abide to that guideline and it works out pretty well :mrgreen:

 

You mean this?

 

It seems a lot of people wear the warrior ring instead, claiming that "hitting more accurately is a lot better than hitting 1 more." That is not necessarily true. Strength helps when you do hit, and attack helps when you don't. For +4 attack to be preferable to +4 strength, you'd need to be hitting less than half the time, which is only the case on a few slayer tasks such as Mithril and Steel Dragons.

Zarfot's theory is flawed. He says that since strength helps when you hit and attack helps when you don't, then if you hit more often than you miss, strength bonus is more important. But the mistake here is that the benefit you gain by hitting where you would have missed is much better than a small increase in your average damage when you do hit. If you hit 8/10 times and do 60 damage/hit, it's not as good as hitting 9/10 times and dealing 55 damage/hit.

 

Qeltar did some actual testing of the zerker vs. warrior rings. Based on his findings, I think the onyx ring (i) is preferable for a high-defense monster like steel dragons, although what you really should be using is a Ferocious Ring. (Probably not worth doing steel tasks without one.)

One of the things that was part of my "advice" was how much damage a Berserker ring (I) gives, and noone here have said or confirmed how much. So what the hell are you talking about?

 

And stop the [bleep] telling me to use Rapier +Berserker or Zspear + Onyx .

 

Hurr.

I know i said that...by "What the hell are you talking about" i meant noone has told me how much damage the Berserker ring gives. That's why i don't listen. Because if Berserker ring gives only 1.3 more damage, from my view that's no good at all.

 

Better to have more accuracy on a good defence monster, that +1.3 more damage.

In support of Zarfot's theory, it's pretty well known that you have near 100% accuracy on most slayer tasks when using extremes, turmoil, and a rapier. If you're hitting every time, the extra strength is preferable. This is why I recommend using the zerker (i) if you have a rapier and the onyx (i) if you don't.

In support of Zarfot's theory, it's pretty well known that you have near 100% accuracy on most slayer tasks when using extremes, turmoil, and a rapier. If you're hitting every time, the extra strength is preferable. This is why I recommend using the zerker (i) if you have a rapier and the onyx (i) if you don't.

But you never answered the question i have asked many times....does Berserker ring give really the lousy bonus of +1.3 more damage? (Not using slayer helm, turmoil or rapier btw)

In support of Zarfot's theory, it's pretty well known that you have near 100% accuracy on most slayer tasks when using extremes, turmoil, and a rapier. If you're hitting every time, the extra strength is preferable. This is why I recommend using the zerker (i) if you have a rapier and the onyx (i) if you don't.

But you never answered the question i have asked many times....does Berserker ring give really the lousy bonus of +1.3 more damage? (Not using slayer helm, turmoil or rapier btw)

 

My failure to answer might have something to do with the fact that I don't know definitively. I've always been under the impression that you get +10 (EDIT: Oops, meant +10) damage for every +4 strength bonus, but I have no idea if that's true or not. Regardless, it DOES increase your max hit, and you SHOULD have near 100% accuracy if you're slaying efficiently, so why not just use it?

In support of Zarfot's theory, it's pretty well known that you have near 100% accuracy on most slayer tasks when using extremes, turmoil, and a rapier. If you're hitting every time, the extra strength is preferable. This is why I recommend using the zerker (i) if you have a rapier and the onyx (i) if you don't.

But you never answered the question i have asked many times....does Berserker ring give really the lousy bonus of +1.3 more damage? (Not using slayer helm, turmoil or rapier btw)

 

My failure to answer might have something to do with the fact that I don't know definitively. I've always been under the impression that you get +20 damage for every +4 strength bonus, but I have no idea if that's true or not. Regardless, it DOES increase your max hit, and you SHOULD have near 100% accuracy if you're slaying efficiently, so why not just use it?

And how do you know that i am slaying? Your assumption is wrong. Anyhow Tip.it calculator says 1.3 damage for +8 strength bonus.

And how do you know that i am slaying? Your assumption is wrong. Anyhow Tip.it calculator says 1.3 damage for +8 strength bonus.

 

Why the [bleep] is it my fault that you didn't clarify what you're doing? :rolleyes: If you're not slaying, not using turmoil, not using extremes, and not using a rapier, USE THE ONYX (i). It's pretty simple.

 

EDIT: You're clearly just looking for an argument rather than for advice, so this will be my last post.

And how do you know that i am slaying? Your assumption is wrong. Anyhow Tip.it calculator says 1.3 damage for +8 strength bonus.

 

Why the [bleep] is it my fault that you didn't clarify what you're doing? :rolleyes: If you're not slaying, not using turmoil, not using extremes, and not using a rapier, USE THE ONYX (i). It's pretty simple.

 

EDIT: You're clearly just looking for an argument rather than for advice, so this will be my last post.

If your giving advice on which ring to use, how about clarify when to use Onyx and when to use Berserker ring? You only clarified for Berserker ring. And no i am not after a argument, but in the beginning i asked for which ring to use, then i began to think how much damage Berserker ring gave, and asked the question.

 

Because to me it's simple which to use if Berserker ring really gives 1.3 damage. I am killing Steel dragons without turmoil, slayer helmet or rapier and the defence of the steels make me hit 0s. So i can decide on my own which ring to use, but i needed to know how much damage the Berserker ring gives.

 

But everyone keep going on about "Use this or that or this" bla bla bla.

 

But your right though, if you are slaying and using turmoil+extremes and rapier, then you got pretty great accuracy.

You are looking for precise values which none of us can give. We are giving you approximations. I read through the entire thread, and the advice that has been offered is excellent. If you refuse the advice, don't argue and do whatever you want. The point is, use an onyx (i) ring if you have [cabbage] accuracy, use berserker (i) if you have ballin accuracy. DONE.

a +8 str bonus has no definitive value as to what it increases your max by, it depends on your strength level, what boosts you are using and the str bonus that your gear gives without wearing the +8 str. So no one can give you an answer without know all of that.

You are looking for precise values which none of us can give. We are giving you approximations. I read through the entire thread, and the advice that has been offered is excellent. If you refuse the advice, don't argue and do whatever you want. The point is, use an onyx (i) ring if you have [cabbage] accuracy, use berserker (i) if you have ballin accuracy. DONE.

People told me what to use, and i had their advice in mind, but i got another question to ask which was Berserker ring damage. Noone cared to explain much about that question or confirm anything.

 

Not even you. Runescape calculator says 1.3 damage for Berserker ring, you have not said anything about this. It's common sense that if you have high accuracy or hit very little 0s on a monster that you should use a strength bonus ring...

 

I asked another question in this topic, and people didn't notice it, but don't come and post and say "You got excellent advices". Oh and i didn't post this to complain, i posted to reply back to your post.

 

a +8 str bonus has no definitive value as to what it increases your max by, it depends on your strength level, what boosts you are using and the str bonus that your gear gives without wearing the +8 str. So no one can give you an answer without know all of that.

I see. Know anyway i can calculate much damage i will get with the ring with setup i got?

 

Steel dragons

99 Attack/Strength

Extreme potions

No Turmoil

 

Helm of neizinot

Fury

Zamorak spear

Dragon boots

Ardougne cloak

Barrow gloves

Qeltar's test was horribly flawed, and was most decidedly inconclusive.

 

Tip.it's max hit calculator is right. Berserker is probably better than onyx for steels, even without rapier.

 

You should sell your berserker and onyx ring to buy prayer potions for turmoil. That's a lot more effective.