Nguyen Toung Van Getting Hanged, what do u think!?

[Hummer288]

hey guys im sure most of u australians out there have heard of that indoneasian chap is gna get hanged tomorrow, i think its really sad :( but i would lke to hear yur oppinions of the death penalty ect :)

[Vape]

I don't think the death penalty is a good idea for Australia, but anyone who's stupid enough to smuggle drugs in a country with the death penalty deserves it. He knew/should've known the consequences of his actions and now he's getting it.

[Drkchivalry]

Absolute and utter BS.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Martin Bryant who killed 33 people at port arthur gets 20 years or something like that, and someone who is carrying drugs gets his basic right to live taken away?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What angers me is that the Singaporean public are actually fooled into thinking this punishment is acceptable.. it angers me

[weezcake]

You should have explained who he was. You'd get more responses; I didn't even hear of this guy. I only heard of the Australian lady..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's his fault for doing something like that. Thats what I think.

[Drkchivalry]

Oh and Hummer.. he was actually hanged at 9am AEDST this morning.. it is sad to hear, the punishment does not fit the crime at all and on my clan forums, there are some singaporeans who are defending the government's decision.. that country is living in a backwards world, in fact most of South East Asia is.

[Ne0z]

I don't think the death penalty is a good idea for Australia, but anyone who's stupid enough to smuggle drugs in a country with the death penalty deserves it. He knew/should've known the consequences of his actions and now he's getting it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i couldnt have put it better myself :)

 

 

 

He knew what the consequence would be if he did it, he does it so now he gets punished.

 

 

 

Taking the death penalty off this guy is like taking jail time off someone that murders somebody..

 

 

 

Although i do think its kinda harsh compared to other things that have happened but oh well. Rules are rules.

[Vape]

weezcake: Australian dude caught trafficking heroin in Singapore.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

News story.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Timeline.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Imho this is an excellent way to reduce drug trafficking, presence and use in Singapore. The fact that the case has recieved so much media attention just means that more and more people will think twice about drugs in Singapore.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It is difficult do accept the loss of this man's life, but if it is any consellation, the media presenece probably prevented many others from trafficking drugs into singapore, which in turn prevents many drug related injuries and deaths in singapore.

[weezcake]

Now if we imposed harsher punishments in the United States...

[my_pet_worm]

Oh and Hummer.. he was actually hanged at 9am AEDST this morning.. it is sad to hear, the punishment does not fit the crime at all and on my clan forums, there are some singaporeans who are defending the government's decision.. that country is living in a backwards world, in fact most of South East Asia is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Backwards country? Who cares if the crime didn't fit, singapore is getting the fact they want across to the public, they DONT want drugs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lots of other people have been hung for the same thing, it's just for some reason this one got media big. Did you care about them? most chance no, you just get sucked in by the media like just about everyone in the modern world.

[DragonFirenze]

The only reason he was trafficing drugs was because his brother was in serious debt and was about to get killed. So now 2 lives are going to be wasted. Thats pretty horrible to me. I cant believe a government could be so insensitive. Hanging wasnt even the supposed penalty for the crime, but he still got it. Its a disgrace.

[my_pet_worm]

The only reason he was trafficing drugs was because his brother was in serious debt and was about to get killed. So now 2 lives are going to be wasted. Thats pretty horrible to me. I cant believe a government could be so insensitive. Hanging wasnt even the supposed penalty for the crime, but he still got it. Its a disgrace.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

going to get killed for being in debt? is he in the mafia or something, 'cause most people won't get killed just for being in debt. Most chance the reason he is in serious debt is his fault.

[Stuart_G]

As bad as it is, it is just plain foolishness on his behalf. Surely he knew that they are hard on drugs in Singapore. He has no one to blame but him self.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But I disagree with him being hung though, its a barbaric way to be killed. They could have at least given him injections to kill him. Hanging should be out lawed. This is not the middle ages =\

[xXru1n3dXx]

I feel real sorry for him.. hanging people is just wrong. At least give him lethal injection.. or even better not the death penalty and just some years in prison. Its real sad since he was just rying to get some $ for his brother who was in debt.

[Drkchivalry]

No matter what you say, you will not convince me that this is justice. Their corrupt government has their citizens brainwashed, and anyone from outside of Singapore who agrees with their morals and values should move to a dictated country.

[slicer92]

I think the Singaporeon goverment is just trying to send a message to its citizen that bringing drugs into Australia is completely un-acceptable.

[weezcake]

No matter what you say, you will not convince me that this is justice. Their corrupt government has their citizens brainwashed, and anyone from outside of Singapore who agrees with their morals and values should move to a dictated country.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe they just don't want a major drug problem, like the United States has? It's the law, and a reasonable one at all. Except maybe instead of hanging, they should be using another method. That's really the only part I disagree with.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And how is this a corruption issue?

[Scooby_Doo]

I am truly disgusted at this. Although I agree with the people saying he's stupid for doing it, and he is guilty, he should NOT have been hanged. Capital Punishment should only be used in the most serious of cases, and this certainly didn't come under that. I know it's illegal and that's their rules, but couldn't they come up with another method? Or is Singaporian government really that stupid?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In response to the people saying "I think it's to stop people trafficing drugs", well, it hasn't exactly stopped anything. People are still doing it (as you read/see on tv) and aren't getting as heavy sentance as this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think it's funny how John Howard said "I don't want to risk the relationship between Singapore and Australia" yet, after this trajedy, do you think as many people will go to Singapore who disagree with Capital Punishment? Right now I'm thinking Singapore can go to hell, with the exception of a few. I guess I can cross Singapore off the map for the places I want to visit in the future.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, just note that this is all my opinion and if you're gonna argue and fight have fun, because I won't be a part of it :P

[____]

TBH, I'm rather split. He knew the risks for smuggling drugs into an area which has the death penalty for it so I'm not overly smypathetic.

 

 

 

HOWEVER, I think the death penalty for drug smuggling is just way too extreme.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That and keeping him alive probably would've pointed them in the direction of people higher up the ladder, those are the ones that you want to catch and put away.

[DaN]

Singapore had a right to put him to death and everyone shoulkd just respect that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyone who has ANYTHING to do with the supply of drugs should be put to death had he sucseeded those drugs could have killed many people.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

America has the death penelty for murder and sometime executes innocent people I find that pretty backwards as murder cannot often be proved this guy on the other hand was caught in the act theres noway he was innocently executed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Im in full support of singapores decision.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The ONLY thing I dont support about the death penelty is that its possible to accidently execute the wrong person this is why I dont support america's death penalty but I do support this one.(case by case baisis) Its not the seriousness of the crime its the liklyness of guilt that counts to me. (id rather execute 100murderers than have 1 innocent person locked up)

[Drkchivalry]

This is sort of off topic, but a singaporean member in my clan posted this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

General Laws of singapore !!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1.No chewing gum -- Fine s$500 = us $250

 

 

 

2.No littering -- Fine s$500 = us $250

 

 

 

3.No rioting -- Jail & Fine

 

 

 

4.No Drugs -- Death Or Jail + Fine + Cane

 

 

 

5.Murder -- Death unless u got mental problems

 

 

 

6.Involve in Fight -- Jail Or Fine

 

 

 

7.Raciest -- Fine or Jail

 

 

 

8.Stealing -- Fine or jail or maybe caning !!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That y singapore is a peace and *fine* country

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

By the way, if you hang around in a group of more than 3 that is considered rioting :? . Caning and death by hanging are barbaric and they need to catch up with the rest of the world and find more humane ways to end lives.

[hohto]

Personally I don't have a problem with that sentence. He broke the laws and now gets a punishment. I would actually be happy if we got death penalties to Finland. At the moment with our current drug laws are really bad. You can ruin the life of hundreds of people and still you get only a year or 2 in a big room with playstations, free food and gym, almost everything.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Btw, he tried to export 400g of heroine. 15g is enough for death penalty there, so I bet that people have been hung for far smaller amounts than 400g. Also, that's enough for like 25-26k portions. How many lives could you ruin with such a big amount of heroine?

[Aus_Fighter]

Of course he should of been hanged... I am sick of people of all these people in Australia holding a 1 minute of silence for this criminalÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâæ What a joke.. Also in Melbourne they rang the church bell for every year of his life! If he would not have gotten caught would they have rang it 100ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s of times because that is how many heroin addicts would have been killed for the amount of heron this man hadÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâæ He has enough heroin for 25000 hits of this crap

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also him and his brother are no angels they were sent to jail for abusing a group of people at a train station with a meshety (<-- Spelling), His brother is a known drug user and Trafficer of drugs.

[Death_By_Pod]

Oh and Hummer.. he was actually hanged at 9am AEDST this morning.. it is sad to hear, the punishment does not fit the crime at all and on my clan forums, there are some singaporeans who are defending the government's decision.. that country is living in a backwards world, in fact most of South East Asia is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nice racist remark there claiming S.E. Asia is backwards, considering that about half of the world have death sentencing laws (including The United States Of America) that remark is completely out of line. Yet on the other hand people cheer at the outcome of Bali bombers getting the death penalty, it really shows how backwards and racist some Australians really are.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You should learn to respect the laws of countries you visit no matter how wacky they are, without law these countries would cease to exist (formally) and its inhabitants would live in a state of anarchism.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The punishment fits the crime due to the very definition of the countries law. There is no way around this argument unless you believe in moral absolutism but then you would have to deal with the fact that roughly half of the countries in the world have the death penalty (which implies there isnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t an absolute moral standing on the issue).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If the punishment was so horrible that even the countries citizens couldnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t support it then the citizens should demonstrate and attempt to oust the government. Even with their strict laws a sufficient numbers of protesters could topple the government; after all soldiers wouldnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t want to shoot Singaporean civilians even if ordered, soldiers are people too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Even though I only believe in capital punishment when rehabilitation is beyond hope (the original purpose of capital punishment), however I also believe you have got to respect the laws of the country. If you canÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t move to a country of like minded people who donÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t have capital punishment laws, simple.

[Death_By_Pod]

 

 

 

Btw, he tried to export 400g of heroine. 15g is enough for death penalty there, so I bet that people have been hung for far smaller amounts than 400g. Also, that's enough for like 25-26k portions. How many lives could you ruin with such a big amount of heroine?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Of course he should of been hanged... I am sick of people of all these people in Australia holding a 1 minute of silence for this criminalÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâæ What a joke.. Also in Melbourne they rang the church bell for every year of his life! If he would not have gotten caught would they have rang it 100ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s of times because that is how many heroin addicts would have been killed for the amount of heron this man hadÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâæ He has enough heroin for 25000 hits of this crap

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Umm where do you get figures of 25,000 hits?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For 400gm it would be closer to 2000 hits using the math's that one hit is 0.2gm (pretty standard weight) so 400/0.2 (or more simply 400*5) would come to a figure of 2000.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now for the question of how many lives he could ruin (in this case the number of deaths) the answer would be, not many. Considering that Heroin Addicts are normalised to the drug (have a higher tolerance) they would need plenty of hits at once for a chance of overdose, I would estimate the possible death total at about a hundred or so if every person brought enough hits and all attempt to overdose (which would be pretty much impossible). More people die from car accidents then overdoses should we ban the use of cars, or how about we ban fat because it causes heart attacks?

[hohto]

Umm where do you get figures of 25,000 hits?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For 400gm it would be closer to 2000 hits using the math's that one hit is 0.2gm (pretty standard weight) so 400/0.2 (or more simply 400*5) would come to a figure of 2000.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now for the question of how many lives he could ruin (in this case the number of deaths) the answer would be, not many. Considering that Heroin Addicts are normalised to the drug (have a higher tolerance) they would need plenty of hits at once for a chance of overdose, I would estimate the possible death total at about a hundred or so if every person brought enough hits and all attempt to overdose (which would be pretty much impossible). More people die from car accidents then overdoses should we ban the use of cars, or how about we ban fat because it causes heart attacks?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Finnish newspapers gave a number of 26k portions. 400g/26000 = 0,154g. According to finnish link (homepage of EtelÃÆÃâÃâä-Saimaan sanomat, a finnish newspaper) even 0,01g of it might cause an overdose. Of course it depends on the purity and the power of the heroine.

 

 

 

http://www.esaimaa.fi/arkisto/vanhat/20 ... /sivu.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't get it what do you mean with the car manufactors? There's tens of millions more cars in USA than heroine addicts. Of course they cause more deaths. Also the fat thing is really stupid, a human needs fats. It's your own problem if you get them too much. Are you a yankee by any chance?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Heroine is so addicting drug, that it's really hard to stop using it once you've been addicted. Without other drugs (like Subutex) it's so painful to get rid of it that many junkies die because of that. I have no clue where did you get that number, far more than 1% of heroine addicts die because of it.