Napoleonic Hegemony

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Yemen & Assam

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France chooses Option D: Do nothing.

 

 

Weee Rebvolution. I can't be arsed to fix the typo.

 

 

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Austro-Hungarian Invasion of Croatia

Winter, 1779

 

November 18th, 1779. An Austro-Hungarian army numbering 23,000 strong crossed the border into Croatia, intent on smashing aside the Croatian army and adding its lands to the Habsburg kingdom.

 

What met them was a Croatian army of 8,000 strong, composed of mostly skirmishers. The Austro-Hungarians blazed into Croatia led by General Zweig, who had been handpicked for the task due to his offensive style. The Croatians however, refused to meet the Austrian army on the field, and instead retreated closer towards the coast, where they were preparing their defensive position in the Dinaric Alps.

 

The Croatians sped ahead of the pursuing Austrians, as they lacked the slow moving artillery that General Zweig had with his army, and so reached the Alps far ahead of the Austrians, and set to work extending the defensive works.

 

The Austrians reached the Croatian line, which had now been bolstered by 2,000 hastily raised militia units, on November 31st and General Zweig began his cannonade. For a week it continued, pummeling the Croatian positions before Zweig ordered his troops forward. In this terrain his cavalry was next to useless, but he was relying on the bulk of his forces – his line infantry, to take the brunt of the Croatian fire so that his Guard troops and Grenadiers could get in to clear the entrenched defenders.

 

The Austrian line moved forward, and the Croatians remained silent. They waited until the Austrians were close enough, then unleashed a crushing volley, before they devolved into a chaotic mass that fired without order, as fast as they could reload. The Austrians suffered heavily under this fire, advancing in short bursts, the clean order of the line dissolved.

 

But Zweig was watching, and had figured out where the Croatian militia units were positioned by the slower rate of fire, and that’s where he committed his elite. 2,000 Imperial Guard and 1,000 Grenadiers rushed forward, and the grenadiers tossed their crude grenades into the militia troops before the Imperial Guard rushed forward with bayonets fixed. The Croatian militia could not stand against such professional troops, and fled before the Guard’s bayonets even reached them.

 

There was a hole in the Croatian line, and the Austrian troops poured in. While Fusiliers pushed in the Croatian flanks, the mass of line infantry, grenadiers, and imperial guards expanded the gap outwards, until the entire Croatian line seemed to ripple before panic took it and they fled like the militia did. Zweig threw forward his lancers to pursue, but most of the Croatians fled deeper into the mountains, where the cavalry could not catch them.

 

Result:

Tactical victory: Austria-Hungary

Strategic Victory: Austria-Hungary

 

Casualties:

Croatia: Entire army (10,000)

 

Austria-Hungary: 6,000 Line infantry dispersed over the different regiments (these will be replenished by the next budget through recruitment – no cost)

 

Croatia offers Austria-Hungary the following peace terms:

They will pay Austria-Hungary 5,000,000 ducats this budget, and 5,000,000 the next

They will cede Dalmatia to Austria-Hungary (the westernmost province)

[You do not need to accept this, and can propose your own terms, whatever they may be]

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Option D(Addendum): Prussia offers Alaska a 25% subsidy on trade goods brought from Prussia and no duty to be paid on goods sold to Prussia, on condition that Alaska continues to exploit the natives.

Prussia is deeply interested in importing bituminous coal from Alaska...

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Increasing taxes is probably a bad option, as your nobles seem to be proud russians and so they will be a bit annoyed when they have a huge tax increase because they were over labouring non-russians. It's basically racism. Also high tax rates is one of the main reasons I think the American's rebelled.

 

Anyway budget has reset correct?

 

Okay, I up all of the previous research fields to 1 million, meaning I am spending 5 million on research.

 

I spend 5.5 Million on new troops

 

1000 Lancers

500 Hussars

5 Cannons

 

For my redcoats.

 

Before I colonise these areas

 

 

I send my redcoats into scout out and remove any hostile natives, they're all offered 100K worth of jewels and promise that we shall preserve areas for them to live at.

 

I then colonise these areas for 9 million.

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Prussia implies that, should Alaska wish to ceed from Russia, then Prussia would be opposed to providing assistance, via it's American allies...

 

Also Prussian General Von Ribbentrop has demanded satisfaction on the field of honour for Russia's appaling attack on the neutral power of Prussia and should his challange go unmet by a Russian equal then he shall feel compelled to use his influence to impose a duty on Russian goods passing through the Baltic.

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-Builds tons of two deckers-

 

:D

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Hehe...Good idea...apart from the bit about you shelling out a few million to break through the Baltic, challange British-Portuguese Supremacy and get owned....

Because if you have a big fleet then they need a bigger fleet because you are the kinda person who would try to throw that weight around....

 

 

Also 1 Duel verses 10 million on ships....Commonsense fail.

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Hehe, nah, just a general or minister to duel...By the code I chose pistols at dawn, in Berlin.

 

 

[in Context]

Also, breaking Prussian Taxation on the Baltic, which you caused :rolleyes: by forcing decent, hard working nobles, to live with the the lazy workers of Alaska. [/in Context]

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Yes, logically! Why can't anyone see things like you do Archi?

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I am a time traveller from the Napoleonic era...

That or I read books...

=P

 

 

Anyway, I am just saying that the situation would be:

Russia does something deeply unpopular and taxes those who disagree, in a time when America has revolted for Taxation without Representation and France is on the verge of Revolution because of the Monarchy's tyranny.

Prussia offers the hard pressed nobles a way out.

Russia continues to try to force the nobles, [iC]who suffer from the lazy workers, which is the only reason they are harsh on them to accept their entirely foolish proposal which will only lead to the total and complete break down of civilisation as the norms of society are turned upside down, pigs ride humans and the ground opens and readily Lucifer will appear and flay the skin from the very bones of all those who are righteous and good.[/iC]

Prussia takes offence to this and challanges a non-specific person to a duel.

Russia ignores the offence [iC]and instead proceeds to build ships for the purpose of spreading their tyranny into the Atlantic. Fighting against all that is good and holy in the world, for as the Bible says "The Lord God did take the man and verily put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it." Genesis Chapter 2 Verse 15, and the Russian Devils do wish to encourage Sloth and all manner of other sinful behaviour, as indeed was warned by the verse 'The Devil doth make work for idle hands'. Only those who were poor of morals and sick of mind would chose to betray our Lord that art in Heaven and our Lord that did suffer on the Cross for our Sins. Indeed I would go so far as to say that the Russian Queen would pull our Lord from the Cross where he was suffering for our Sins, so that we may return to God when we die, and she would require that he sat on the ground, and was denied the right to suffer for our sins because, my assembled crowd, the Russian Queen is a HEATHEN DEVIL![/iC]

 

 

And such would be said about the situation....Very few would argue that Russia was doing the right thing, since very few believed the native Americans were humans, and most people believed that hard work was the only way to save yourself from eternal damnation.... So realistically speaking, you are telling everyone to go to hell....

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Army of Imperial Russia (new)

 

2000 Imperial Guard (4 million)

5000 Line Infantry (5 million)

5000 Fusiliers (6 million)

1000 Dragoons (2 million)

500 Cuirassiers (0.75 million)

10 Cannons (5 million)

 

+ existing North American Expeditionary force

 

5000 Line Infantry

4000 Skirmishers

 

Total cost: 22.75 million

 

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Russian Imperial Army - Total Forces

20,000 Line Infantry

11,000 Skirmishers

2,000 Hussars

6,000 Lancers

2,000 Imperial Guard

5,000 Fusiliers

1,000 Dragoons

500 Cuirassiers

10 Cannons

 

4,000 Lancers of the army are stationed in Siberia

2,000 Skirmishers of the army are stationed in Alaska

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During an era when thousands died of a lack of food every year, tens of thousands in Russia you are sending desperately needed food to Alaska?

And don't even get me started on blankets....It would take several weeks for a skilled weaver to make the thread and yarn, and another several days to make a single blanket...

 

You are talking about an era when most families had one, perhaps the well off had two, sets of clothes...

 

 

Taxation doesn't remove the incentive...if they react anything like you did they will just force the workers to work harder to make up for the profit they are losing thanks to your taxation...

In many of these cases the profitability of the ventures was very low anyway...By reducing the amount of work employers can do, you might as well just shut them down altogether...

In the words of Margaret Thatcher:

Socialism works very well...until you run out of other people's money to spend.

 

 

The Nobles are given a choice...Make a profit and live comfortably after declaring independance, or quit Alaska because it has all the profitability of a damp sock.

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Sigh.

High profits mean that they have alot of power already....Your solution is kinda like 'Oil damages the environement, therefore I will tax all the Oil Companies until they produce less.'...You are asking them to give up their power in exchange for not giving up their power, and wondering why you then get smacked with their power.

1) They give in and everyone complains about the higher price for furs because they now produce a lot less. Dissent.

2) They tell you to naff off because they make such high profits that taxing them for 20% has no real effect. Powerlessness.

3) They lie, since Alaska is fairly far flung it would not be hard. Powerlessness.

4) They declare independance and emargo Russia and people are annoyed about not getting any fur. Dissent and Powerlessness.

5) They leave Alaska because it is no longer profitable since they either have to produce less or they have to pay more in tax. Dissent, Loss of Profit and Powerlessness(You pushed and collapsed a building on yourself)

6) They ignore your demands, sell elsewhere to avoid you knowing their true income and you lose power over them anyway. Powerlessness

7) The nobles say yes they will do better, but instead don't change anything... Powerlessness.

8) Russian Peseants get sick of payrolling the natives of America and want food and blankets for themselves instead. Weakening the power of the nobility to a point where they try to kill you to prevent getting killed French Revolution style... Dissent.

9) All of the above. The situation gets complicated, runs up a huge bill and the nobles blame you. Dissent.

 

 

 

Taxing them will not reduce their influence in Russia...In fact it would probably get them more involved because you are screwing them over.

 

If Fur Trading is as wonderful as you make out then they can survive without their lands in Russia....Moreover losing a bunch of nobles is more damaging to you than to them...

Then consider that you are fighting a war against the nobility...as your one province experiment shows...and so they are already pretty annoyed with you and now you seem to be messing around with the social order in yet another attempt to abolish them.

 

Further, they would lose any profit from the furs because of Russian blockade.

Alaska is not an island, and if you plan to blockade America you get into the whole 'Atlantic Supermacy' thing we talked about.

 

 

 

 

As a Communist I can understand what you are trying to do...but you are making the elementary mistake that most Communists make...They confuse the end goal with what they should do now...

Part of being a Communist is understanding that the creation of the oppressive middle class, the natural evolution of things, is what HAS to happen....Trying to take a shortcut only creates problems.

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First of all, you're proxying like a moderator, when you're not a moderator. I am trying to play the game differently. Dusty has already told me that there would be consequences for everything I do, but that is fine with me. I would certainly have done it differently if you were moderator. I can deal with one person being a moderator at a time, but when two people are trying to moderate a game at the same time, especially with such differing world views, then EVERYTHING except doing nothing leads to total chaos and collapse. That is why no one is doing anything interesting.

 

Secondly, output doesn't decrease because the workers aren't being worked to the bone. If we have five healthy workers that are ALIVE producing 5 furs a year compared to four unhealthy workers producing 5 furs a year (and one dead worker), then it's just as good. It's also more sustainable. My proof of that is several successful companies in the United States that aren't treating their workers like crap and are doing fine.

 

Okay, whatever. Nobles can treat the natives like crap if they want to, but they have to deal with the native uprisings themselves.

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I am playing the game in the style of my choosing...nothing more...nothing less.

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That is not my problem. My problem is that you are essentially proxying. "They tell, they lie, they give, they ignore, etc" are phrases that are affirmative. Not "They probaly would, or they could."

 

Just let Dusty sort that out.

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ICU needs to play Oregon Trail.

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I assume you mean phrases of determination.

 

Aside from that I have no power, and don't want to gain that power...So it's a null point, since you are the one giving me that power.

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I guess the better way for me to phrase what I'm saying is: it really annoys me, so if you could please stop with that.

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Sorry. It is the way I play.

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Dusty, what happens to my treasury/army? Or what do I have now. Also, would it be possible to reclaim the royal treasury of about 30m at this point (I think) If I win?