SAVE Tookie

[KidSha]

man, I did not start this thread to cause conflict on here nor arguments, if you clearly put your self in the mans shoes would you fight for your life or let them kill you, not a question for all just my point of view.

[Simmias]

No, i find it laughable that people who get caught always try this, he deserves to die, who gives a rats * now that hes changed, he still did it, if hes let go, like someone else said on this thread, other inmates will just become *born again christens* or some bs like that, just to get out imo

[____]

In for Tookie death. That or just let him rot in jail.

 

 

 

This guys story almost reminds me of Mark "Chopper" Reed, but on a much more hopeless storyline.

[Rizla]

man, I did not start this thread to cause conflict on here nor arguments, if you clearly put your self in the mans shoes would you fight for your life or let them kill you, not a question for all just my point of view.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If i was in his shoes i wouldn't have killed 4 defenceless people, and left one guy without a mother, father or sister, for the sake of $220.

 

 

 

Do you think the relatives (not that there's many left in the case of the second robbery) and friends of the people he slaughtered want his sentence reduced? I'd doubt it.

 

 

 

The only travesty here is that he's been allowed to live this long after the crimes he committed - i'll never understand why a death sentence has to wait 20 years to be carried out, while the taxpayer funds the last decades of the life of a convicted criminal.

[yummy_kids]

He should of been put in front of a firing squad ages ago in my opinion. I am glad he is going to be put to death, if you think he should live it's clear you're an idiot who can get thier view easily turned by a few hip-hop artists saying some BS. I'm sure all of you who think he should live also love greenday and think george bush is an evil man!! idiots

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh and by the way, he has not won a single peace prize. Also did you know hitler was nominated for a peace prize?

[KidSha]

 

man, I did not start this thread to cause conflict on here nor arguments, if you clearly put your self in the mans shoes would you fight for your life or let them kill you, not a question for all just my point of view.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If i was in his shoes i wouldn't have killed 4 defenceless people, and left one guy without a mother, father or sister, for the sake of $220.

 

 

 

Do you think the relatives (not that there's many left in the case of the second robbery) and friends of the people he slaughtered want his sentence reduced? I'd doubt it.

 

 

 

The only travesty here is that he's been allowed to live this long after the crimes he committed - i'll never understand why a death sentence has to wait 20 years to be carried out, while the taxpayer funds the last decades of the life of a convicted criminal.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you ware 25 years old, could not get on government support, had no money no food and people want to kill you then it is a new story, you think he wanted to rob, you think if he could of lived in a place that has a river in the back and pure freedom you think he wouldnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t? if you have nothing to eat no where to stay what would you do, your parents and relatives donÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t want you, hmm matter of fact if there was no poverty then there would be no crime because it would not be needed, now as of this topic we all have our opinions and we could sit here and argue all day, if you personally have a problem with me starting this topic please IM me and ask for my msn I will gladly talk.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He should of been put in front of a firing squad ages ago in my opinion. I am glad he is going to be put to death, if you think he should live it's clear you're an idiot who can get thier view easily turned by a few hip-hop artists saying some BS. I'm sure all of you who think he should live also love greenday and think george bush is an evil man!! idiots

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That is a negative, I donÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t listen to hip hop, I live it, I donÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t listen to greenway, and IÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢m not an idiot, I think your statement is very clearly ignorant, if you calling me and idiot because I donÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t want a mentor/teacher to many kids to die then there is defiantly something wrong with you. Add me to msn if you want to talk things over.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And if you are saying that George bush is not a man that dose hatred then you a certainly blinded by societies lies.

[Barihawk]

To the poster above:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You seem to glorify the "street" lifestyle. Regardless of his situation, it is still wrong to kill people. He could have taken the money and left, but he decided to EXECUTE people for extremely small sums of money.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT: Since you had to bring Bush into it...he was not President or even a governor when Tookie committed his crimes. Not to mention that our racist minds seem to care more about the few Americans who died in Iraq rather than the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis who died under Saddam's regime and subsequently were killed by terrorists for supporting freedom.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not to mention: Yes, Tookie is preaching peace and all that, but that does not excuse him from his crimes. Luckily for him, God will forgive him and greet him with open arms if he truly has reformed.

[KidSha]

To the poster above:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You seem to glorify the "street" lifestyle. Regardless of his situation, it is still wrong to kill people. He could have taken the money and left, but he decided to EXECUTE people for extremely small sums of money.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

True indeed, and have a very found respect to people that live in poverty because that is where I once lived.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT: Since you had to bring Bush into it...he was not President or even a governor when Tookie committed his crimes. Not to mention that our racist minds seem to care more about the few Americans who died in Iraq rather than the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis who died under Saddam's regime and subsequently were killed by terrorists for supporting freedom.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am not bringing this in as an argument but in between the years of 1985 and 1995 Saddam and followers such as Bid laden (Do not know how to spell his name) have signed a contract to work for the CIA (Criminal in action), and in between these times bin laden has attacked the united states twice, once in the 1990 if I am correct and of course the 9/11, so if this terrorism was not set up, then there is defiantly something wrong with the presidents in charge still letting this man in CIA, the buildings that ware token down are also a small CIA head quarters, it is nearly impossible that the buildings crashed down alone because steel used for building purposes have a way higher melting point then just fuel and fire.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, president bush and the last presidents of the united stats have formed an organization called the "masons" and human sacrifices are acted upon, I will happily talk to you some more about this just give me a IM because this if off topic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not to mention: Yes, Tookie is preaching peace and all that, but that does not excuse him from his crimes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Once again true indeed.

[Barihawk]

I'm sorry, but your post made no sense whatsoever.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am not bringing this in as an argument but in between the years of 1985 and 1995 Saddam and followers such as Bid laden (Do not know how to spell his name) have signed a contract to work for the CIA (Criminal in action), and in between these times bin laden has attacked the united states twice, once in the 1990 if I am correct and of course the 9/11, so if this terrorism was not set up, then there is defiantly something wrong with the presidents in charge still letting this man in CIA, the buildings that ware token down are also a small CIA head quarters, it is nearly impossible that the buildings crashed down alone because steel used for building purposes have a way higher melting point then just fuel and fire.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, president bush and the last presidents of the united stats have formed an organization called the "masons" and human sacrifices are acted upon, I will happily talk to you some more about this just give me a IM because this if off topic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What is all this conspiracy nonsense? And about your steel comment, J2 (Jet Fuel) is the hottest burning liquid and vapor substance on the planet (the stuff used in Space rockets is solid fuel). The towers crashed because the fuel was burning at double the melting point and spread to the center of the towers where the central support structure was (if the building had been designed normally, there was a chance at least one of the towers would have stayed up.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The rest about secret societies is absolutely ridiculous.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And on the other two quotes...your reply made no sense at all. I can understand on the first quote that you respect the "street" culture, but it does not answer the question I posed to you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Question, repeated: Is it right to execute people unnecessarily just to steal pocket change?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It is one thing to steal a loaf of bread, but to cut off the head of the baker is completely wrong. (That was a metaphor).

[slicer92]

Has anyone even explained the trial of Tookie Williams?The shells did not match,there was no dna evidence,and a lots of other things the prosecutors could not prove.Im not saying he was convicted because he was black,Im saying his trial was not fair and was biased due to his street reputation.

[Scruffy5389]

He should of been put in front of a firing squad ages ago in my opinion. I am glad he is going to be put to death, if you think he should live it's clear you're an idiot who can get thier view easily turned by a few hip-hop artists saying some BS. I'm sure all of you who think he should live also love greenday and think george bush is an evil man!! idiots

 

 

 

1. I like Green Day.

 

 

 

2. I don't believe George W. Bush is evil. I think he wants the best for his country.

 

 

 

3. I believe George Bush is a terrible president.

 

 

 

4. I agree with you: Tookie should be executed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Although I am on your side in this particular debate, I think you are making incredibly obtuse generalizations. Not everyone who disagrees with George W. Bush also believes that he is evil. Not everyone who listens to Green Day considers themself a liberal.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You're right about Tookie, but man, you need to open your eyes to the fact that nothing in life or politics is so black and white as us vs. them, or red states vs. blue states, or americans vs. scumbags.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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More on the topic of Tookie, here is an editorial from the Boston Globe (one of the most notoriously liberal newspapers in the United States). It explains why Tookie should not be spared just because he claims to have reformed. I put the most important parts in bold:

 

 

 

STANLEY "TOOKIE" Williams is scheduled to die by lethal injection in California's San Quentin prison next Tuesday. His death will occur nearly 27 years after he brutally murdered Albert Owens, a 7-Eleven clerk in Whittier, Calif., and three members of the Yang family Yen-I Yang, Tsai-Shai Yang, and their daughter, Yee-Chen Lin at the Brookhaven Motel in Los Angeles.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Unlike the peaceful, painless demise awaiting Williams, the deaths of his victims were horrific: He shot each of them at close range with a 12-gauge shotgun, shattering their bodies so that they died in agony. Their suffering amused him. "You should have heard the way he sounded when I shot him," Williams bragged after killing Albert Owens. According to the district attorney's summary of the evidence, "Williams then made gurgling or growling noises and laughed hysterically about Owens's death."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As cofounder of the deadly Crips street gang in 1971, Williams's criminal legacy goes well beyond the four murders for which he was convicted. The gang violence he unleashed 34 years ago has destroyed thousands of lives and left countless other victims scarred by rape, assault, and armed robbery. Though he now claims to have reformed and has written books with an antigang message, he has never admitted his guilt or expressed any remorse for the slaughter of Albert Owens and the Yang family. If his supposed contrition amounts to anything more than lip service, he has yet to prove it. Williams adamantly refuses to be debriefed by police about the Crips and their operations or to provide any information that could help bring other killers to justice. In fact, officials at San Quentin have said he continues to orchestrate gang activity from behind bars.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Incredibly, this thug is the object of the left's latest craze. For many anti-death penalty fundamentalists, it is not enough to oppose the execution of a savage killer the killer must be extolled as a noble soul whose death would be a loss for humanity. Thus Hollywood has honored Williams with a made-for-TV movie. The media have weighed in with sympathetic stories. A slew of celebrities, including such moral giants as Tom Hayden and Snoop Dogg, are clamoring for Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger to grant clemency and spare Williams's life. And all but forgotten amid this orgy of adulation are the victims Williams so cruelly murdered nearly three decades ago.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What is it that makes victims so easy to forget? When Kenneth Boyd was executed in North Carolina last week, it was reported everywhere that he was the 1,000th murderer to be put to death since the resumption of capital punishment in 1976. But how many stories devoted more than a passing mention to the two people Boyd sent to early graves his estranged wife, Julie Curry Boyd, and her father, Thomas Curry? Why doesn't the media's round-number [specialInterest] extend to the victims of homicide as well as the perpetrators? If the 1,000th execution made headlines, why didn't the 1,000th murder? Or the 10,000th? Or the 100,000th?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Actually there have been close to 600,000 homicides in the United States since 1976, and the total climbs by roughly 15,000 each year. Where is the uproar over those round numbers? Where are the protests, the petitions, the Hollywood rallies aimed at stopping those deaths? I understand that some people think capital punishment is wrong as a matter of principle. What I cannot understand is how anyone can be more outraged by the lawful execution each year of a few dozen murderers than by the annual slaughter of thousands of victims at the hands of such murderers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Opponents of capital punishment make much of the theoretical possibility that an innocent defendant might be killed. What they never acknowledge is that the abolition of capital punishment guarantees that innocent victims will die. That isn't only because executing murderers has a powerful deterrent effect, as a number of recent studies confirm. It is also because prison bars can't keep some killers from killing again.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In its latest roundup of death penalty statistics, "Capital Punishment, 2004," the federal Bureau of Justice Statistics notes that at least 101 murderers now on death row were already in prison when they murdered their victims; at least 44 others were prison escapees. Lock-'em-up-and-throw-away-the-key may sound appealing. But some murderers will always escape and murder again. Others will kill in prison.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ultimately, the case for putting murderers like Williams and Boyd to death isn't just a practical one, strong though the practical arguments are. It is also a moral one. When the state executes a murderer, it is making a statement about the demands of justice and the sanctity of human life a statement as old as Genesis, and as essential as ever.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Next: The bishops and the death penalty.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Copyright © 2005 Globe Newspaper Company

 

 

 

Record Number: 0512070006

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If Tookie truly is reformed and deserves to be spared, maybe he should help the police fight against the Crips. Maybe he should at least admit to his guilt.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Naw, this guy was sentenced to death for a reason: he was a brute and a murderer. As this article shows, I really don't think he has improved enough to remove him from death row.

[stevester77]

 

 

 

If you ware 25 years old, could not get on government support, had no money no food and people want to kill you then it is a new story, you think he wanted to rob, you think if he could of lived in a place that has a river in the back and pure freedom you think he wouldnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t? if you have nothing to eat no where to stay what would you do, your parents and relatives donÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t want you hmm matter of fact if there was no poverty then there would be no crime because it would not be needed, now as of this topic we all have our opinions and we could sit here and argue all day, if you personally have a problem with me starting this topic please

 

 

 

IM me and ask for my msn I will gladly talk.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Are you serious?? Big deal he couldn't get welfare, he had no money or a job and he had people after him :roll: . Lets think.. why would he have people after him? Most likely because of illicit drug deals and various gang related violence... thats his fault. As for his lack of food and a job.. please. I know that homeless shelters provide free food no matter how much you make. As for a job, I know that at my church (and my past churches and what not) will provide a job to anyone should they need one. Sure its not a huge administrative job, but should you need something to get onto your feet, you can. You don't have to kill people in order to survive.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That is a negative, I donÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t listen to hip hop, I live it, I donÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t listen to greenway, and IÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢m not an idiot, I think your statement is very clearly ignorant, if you calling me and idiot because I donÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t want a mentor/teacher to many kids to die then there is defiantly something wrong with you. Add me to msn if you want to talk things over.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And if you are saying that George bush is not a man that dose hatred then you a certainly blinded by societies lies.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Haha blinded by societies lies? Please.. that sounds copy and pasted from a lyrics sight of some random rapper. If you want insight into social ill's.. read book's such as Metamorphosis or Grapes of Wrath.. but echoing the clique's of "society" does nothing to make you appear intelligent.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am not bringing this in as an argument but in between the years of 1985 and 1995 Saddam and followers such as Bid laden (Do not know how to spell his name) have signed a contract to work for the CIA (Criminal in action), and in between these times bin laden has attacked the united states twice, once in the 1990 if I am correct and of course the 9/11, so if this terrorism was not set up, then there is defiantly something wrong with the presidents in charge still letting this man in CIA, the buildings that ware token down are also a small CIA head quarters, it is nearly impossible that the buildings crashed down alone because steel used for building purposes have a way higher melting point then just fuel and fire.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, president bush and the last presidents of the united stats have formed an organization called the "masons" and human sacrifices are acted upon, I will happily talk to you some more about this just give me a IM because this if off topic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I reallyy don't see what your getting at. Your information is nothing but half truths and doing nothing but discrediting those who do believe theres some unanswered questions about 9-11.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

First of all.. the first bombings happened in 1993, not 1990 as you suggested. Secondly, yes Bin Laden once "worked" for the CIA but did you give the reason why? No it wasn't so the U.S. could attack ourselves and blame it on islamic extremists to start wars in the middle east. He originally "worked" for us because at the time, the united states and soviet russia were engaged in the cold war. Russia then decided to invade Afganistan, the country where Bin precided. In order to stop the spread of communism, the u.s. decided to fund various gurilla's in the region in their fight against the russians. He happened to be one of them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thirdly, I believe the "mason's" you are refering to are an organisation by the name of the "freemason's". This "group" was not founded by Bush.. it was founded in the 1600's :roll: . And while now it is a secret society with rituals.. it does NOT conduct human sacrifice. If im correct (not 100% sure).. Bush isn't even a Masonic member, though various members he might considered to be linked to may be.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If your going to enter the world of political conspiracy theory's.. please be able to separate fact from bunk. Posting obvious fallicies only seeks to discredit those with justifiable reasonings.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Btw*.. Before you flame me as being some sort of capitalistic pig brainwashed by a corrupt system.. I too believe there are some secrets about 9-11 that are only told behind closed doors.. but what you posted, come on.. :roll:

[KidSha]

 

 

 

 

If you ware 25 years old, could not get on government support, had no money no food and people want to kill you then it is a new story, you think he wanted to rob, you think if he could of lived in a place that has a river in the back and pure freedom you think he wouldnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t? if you have nothing to eat no where to stay what would you do, your parents and relatives donÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t want you hmm matter of fact if there was no poverty then there would be no crime because it would not be needed, now as of this topic we all have our opinions and we could sit here and argue all day, if you personally have a problem with me starting this topic please

 

 

 

IM me and ask for my msn I will gladly talk.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Are you serious?? Big deal he couldn't get welfare, he had no money or a job and he had people after him :roll: . Lets think.. why would he have people after him? Most likely because of illicit drug deals and various gang related violence... thats his fault. As for his lack of food and a job.. please. I know that homeless shelters provide free food no matter how much you make. As for a job, I know that at my church (and my past churches and what not) will provide a job to anyone should they need one. Sure its not a huge administrative job, but should you need something to get onto your feet, you can. You don't have to kill people in order to survive.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That is a negative, I donÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t listen to hip hop, I live it, I donÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t listen to greenway, and IÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢m not an idiot, I think your statement is very clearly ignorant, if you calling me and idiot because I donÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t want a mentor/teacher to many kids to die then there is defiantly something wrong with you. Add me to msn if you want to talk things over.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And if you are saying that George bush is not a man that dose hatred then you a certainly blinded by societies lies.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Haha blinded by societies lies? Please.. that sounds copy and pasted from a lyrics sight of some random rapper. If you want insight into social ill's.. read book's such as Metamorphosis or Grapes of Wrath.. but echoing the clique's of "society" does nothing to make you appear intelligent.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am not bringing this in as an argument but in between the years of 1985 and 1995 Saddam and followers such as Bid laden (Do not know how to spell his name) have signed a contract to work for the CIA (Criminal in action), and in between these times bin laden has attacked the united states twice, once in the 1990 if I am correct and of course the 9/11, so if this terrorism was not set up, then there is defiantly something wrong with the presidents in charge still letting this man in CIA, the buildings that ware token down are also a small CIA head quarters, it is nearly impossible that the buildings crashed down alone because steel used for building purposes have a way higher melting point then just fuel and fire.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, president bush and the last presidents of the united stats have formed an organization called the "masons" and human sacrifices are acted upon, I will happily talk to you some more about this just give me a IM because this if off topic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I reallyy don't see what your getting at. Your information is nothing but half truths and doing nothing but discrediting those who do believe theres some unanswered questions about 9-11.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

First of all.. the first bombings happened in 1993, not 1990 as you suggested. Secondly, yes Bin Laden once "worked" for the CIA but did you give the reason why? No it wasn't so the U.S. could attack ourselves and blame it on islamic extremists to start wars in the middle east. He originally "worked" for us because at the time, the united states and soviet russia were engaged in the cold war. Russia then decided to invade Afganistan, the country where Bin precided. In order to stop the spread of communism, the u.s. decided to fund various gurilla's in the region in their fight against the russians. He happened to be one of them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thirdly, I believe the "mason's" you are refering to are an organisation by the name of the "freemason's". This "group" was not founded by Bush.. it was founded in the 1600's :roll: . And while now it is a secret society with rituals.. it does NOT conduct human sacrifice. If im correct (not 100% sure).. Bush isn't even a Masonic member, though various members he might considered to be linked to may be.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If your going to enter the world of political conspiracy theory's.. please be able to separate fact from bunk. Posting obvious fallicies only seeks to discredit those with justifiable reasonings.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Btw*.. Before you flame me as being some sort of capitalistic pig brainwashed by a corrupt system.. I too believe there are some secrets about 9-11 that are only told behind closed doors.. but what you posted, come on.. :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am not going to flame you there is not point because it is really wasting my time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Haha blinded by societies lies? Please.. that sounds copy and pasted from a lyrics sight of some random rapper.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

but echoing the clique's of "society" does nothing to make you appear intelligent.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How can you judge me with out even knowing me and the knowledge i have?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

first bombings happened in 1993, not 1990 as you suggested

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

""once in the 1990 if I am correct""

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

hirdly, I believe the "mason's" you are refering to are an organisation by the name of the "freemason's". This "group" was not founded by Bush.. it was founded in the 1600's Rolling Eyes . And while now it is a secret society with rituals.. it does NOT conduct human sacrifice. If im correct (not 100% sure).. Bush isn't even a Masonic member, though various members he might considered to be linked to may be.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For the first bold lettering:

 

 

 

""president bush and the last presidents of the united stats have formed an organization called the "masons" and human sacrifices are acted upon""

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Other:

 

 

 

There has been a video captured of this. I am positive you can get all the information I am talking about in a documentary called MARSHAL LAW.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If your going to enter the world of political conspiracy theory's.. please be able to separate fact from bunk. Posting obvious fallicies only seeks to discredit those with justifiable reasonings.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This theory is not mine (should of said that in my other post), I actually picked up the fact in a science meeting here in my city.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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And about your steel comment, J2 (Jet Fuel) is the hottest burning liquid and vapor substance on the planet (the stuff used in Space rockets is solid fuel). The towers crashed because the fuel was burning at double the melting point and spread to the center of the towers where the central support structure was (if the building had been designed normally, there was a chance at least one of the towers would have stayed up.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes it is! Myself, classmates, and the whole science department tested this with jet fuel with a regular brick size steel and it took 3 days to melt and it was not totally melted, it was still rather solid although i could bend it with putting strenght on it, now the steel used to form a building is a way stronger material then what we ware working with.

[Mercifull]

If you dont think steel can be melted, how do you think it gets moulded in the first place? ^_^

[logic-is-overrated]

If you ware 25 years old, could not get on government support, had no money no food and people want to kill you then it is a new story, you think he wanted to rob, you think if he could of lived in a place that has a river in the back and pure freedom you think he wouldnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t? if you have nothing to eat no where to stay what would you do, your parents and relatives donÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t want you, hmm matter of fact if there was no poverty then there would be no crime because it would not be needed, now as of this topic we all have our opinions and we could sit here and argue all day, if you personally have a problem with me starting this topic please IM me and ask for my msn I will gladly talk.

Just a little hint: trying to justify brutal murder usually doesn't do too much to help your cause.

[cupcake]

I am pretty sure he won't say "Hasta la vista baby"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Schwarsenegger is a people person, I bet popularity came first to his list of things to do. Just imagine the popularity Arny will maintain and get. Need no new gorverner.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This man will live!!!

[yummy_kids]

 

 

 

If you ware 25 years old, could not get on government support, had no money no food and people want to kill you then it is a new story, you think he wanted to rob, you think if he could of lived in a place that has a river in the back and pure freedom you think he wouldnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t? if you have nothing to eat no where to stay what would you do, your parents and relatives donÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t want you, hmm matter of fact if there was no poverty then there would be no crime because it would not be needed, now as of this topic we all have our opinions and we could sit here and argue all day, if you personally have a problem with me starting this topic please IM me and ask for my msn I will gladly talk.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You know what? I wouldn't of, it is his fault he did not finish school, and get a job and later go to community college or college. I was homeless from age 12 to 16 and I stayed in school and never joined a gang or did anything illegal. It's his fault he ended up like that no one elses.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I wont add you to msn because I don't like talking to idiots.

[gotsol]

rumor has it that cripz member are going to riot, i live in northern california and shouldnt have to worry to much about this but, who knows i think he should live he has shown that he has turned his life around. He should just spend the rest of his life in prison.

[SkULLEDPK3R]

its good there killing him, look at all those people he took out. Look at all those kids he "initiated" give me a break wrote a few books did it for mroe fame and for his life not for others. Come to new york and lets see if you still say Save tookie k thanks bye.

[gotsol]

its good there killing him, look at all those people he took out. Look at all those kids he "initiated" give me a break wrote a few books did it for mroe fame and for his life not for others. Come to new york and lets see if you still say Save tookie k thanks bye.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

4 peace nomines, people can change cant they :?:

[SkULLEDPK3R]

^^^^ yea people can change their future but your past will never change. Although if he is gone the bloods will bgein amassing and taking over and start taking over new york then florida then california then america omg im scaarreedd not lol just get rid of all the illegal immigrants first then him its the actual members who cause most of the crime but also he ruined many lives so well....the government always looks at the bad things you do. Like school get a 100 on a test no one cares get a 43 everyone calls you a idiot get what im saying?

[SkULLEDPK3R]

psssssst if your involved stay with your rs2 gang you wont be stabbed

[knives669]

Am I the only one who thinks that "Tookie" is a weird name? I guess I've heard weirder though...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

IMO, if you kill someone, you deserve to die. Ok, so the man's been nominated for some sort of peace award. Is that going to bring back the people he killed? No. Are his books going to stop all the violence that he has incited? No. Are they going to somehow make the numerous people he's inflicted misery upon (families of the people he's killed, families of the gang members) better? No. He can say all he wants, he can write all he wants, but he's still a convicted murderer. He took the life of another human being, and he deserves his life to be taken from him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I heard that there might be some sort of riots when he's killed. Anyone who riots is completely out of their mind. The only favor he could possibly do for the world is teaching his followers a lesson. They should learn from their "leader's" mistakes. What if you accidentally kill someone in a riot? You could end up in this guy's shoes.

 

 

 

He committed a crime and he must suffer the consequences.

[SkULLEDPK3R]

i wonder if he was white... and yes Tookie is a odd name Tookie the Cookie lol reminds me of Japan or like a african like lion hunter lol

[gotsol]

Am I the only one who thinks that "Tookie" is a weird name? I guess I've heard weirder though...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

IMO, if you kill someone, you deserve to die. Ok, so the man's been nominated for some sort of peace award. Is that going to bring back the people he killed? No. Are his books going to stop all the violence that he has incited? No. Are they going to somehow make the numerous people he's inflicted misery upon (families of the people he's killed, families of the gang members) better? No. He can say all he wants, he can write all he wants, but he's still a convicted murderer. He took the life of another human being, and he deserves his life to be taken from him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I heard that there might be some sort of riots when he's killed. Anyone who riots is completely out of their mind. The only favor he could possibly do for the world is teaching his followers a lesson. They should learn from their "leader's" mistakes. What if you accidentally kill someone in a riot? You could end up in this guy's shoes.

 

 

 

He committed a crime and he must suffer the consequences.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

rumor has it there is going to be riots :roll:

 

 

 

but should one act ( ok killing 5 people or however many ) screw someone over for the rest of there life? if he does die which im expecting i just hope there isnt riots to kill more people.