SAVE Tookie

[knives669]

 

Am I the only one who thinks that "Tookie" is a weird name? I guess I've heard weirder though...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

IMO, if you kill someone, you deserve to die. Ok, so the man's been nominated for some sort of peace award. Is that going to bring back the people he killed? No. Are his books going to stop all the violence that he has incited? No. Are they going to somehow make the numerous people he's inflicted misery upon (families of the people he's killed, families of the gang members) better? No. He can say all he wants, he can write all he wants, but he's still a convicted murderer. He took the life of another human being, and he deserves his life to be taken from him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I heard that there might be some sort of riots when he's killed. Anyone who riots is completely out of their mind. The only favor he could possibly do for the world is teaching his followers a lesson. They should learn from their "leader's" mistakes. What if you accidentally kill someone in a riot? You could end up in this guy's shoes.

 

 

 

He committed a crime and he must suffer the consequences.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

rumor has it there is going to be riots :roll:

 

 

 

but should one act ( ok killing 5 people or however many ) screw someone over for the rest of there life? if he does die which im expecting i just hope there isnt riots to kill more people.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I understand what you're saying and I agree that one act shouldn't screw someone over for the rest of their life-if it's a situation they couldn't control. This man had complete control over his actions and made a conscious decision to kill another human being. So yes. It should affect him for the rest of his life.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And I certainly hope that there isn't more violence after the execution. :?

[gotsol]

 

 

Am I the only one who thinks that "Tookie" is a weird name? I guess I've heard weirder though...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

IMO, if you kill someone, you deserve to die. Ok, so the man's been nominated for some sort of peace award. Is that going to bring back the people he killed? No. Are his books going to stop all the violence that he has incited? No. Are they going to somehow make the numerous people he's inflicted misery upon (families of the people he's killed, families of the gang members) better? No. He can say all he wants, he can write all he wants, but he's still a convicted murderer. He took the life of another human being, and he deserves his life to be taken from him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I heard that there might be some sort of riots when he's killed. Anyone who riots is completely out of their mind. The only favor he could possibly do for the world is teaching his followers a lesson. They should learn from their "leader's" mistakes. What if you accidentally kill someone in a riot? You could end up in this guy's shoes.

 

 

 

He committed a crime and he must suffer the consequences.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

rumor has it there is going to be riots :roll:

 

 

 

but should one act ( ok killing 5 people or however many ) screw someone over for the rest of there life? if he does die which im expecting i just hope there isnt riots to kill more people.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I understand what you're saying and I agree that one act shouldn't screw someone over for the rest of their life-if it's a situation they couldn't control. This man had complete control over his actions and made a conscious decision to kill another human being. So yes. It should affect him for the rest of his life.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yea i agree with you, but should he die for it Why cant he just stay in prison, has he killed anyone there?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And I certainly hope that there isn't more violence after the execution. :?

[sparky697]

i do think he should die. it seems like all he's ever did was wrong. he's done more wrong then right imo. and besides, anyone who kills anyone should die no matter if they help or not.

[knives669]

 

 

 

Am I the only one who thinks that "Tookie" is a weird name? I guess I've heard weirder though...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

IMO, if you kill someone, you deserve to die. Ok, so the man's been nominated for some sort of peace award. Is that going to bring back the people he killed? No. Are his books going to stop all the violence that he has incited? No. Are they going to somehow make the numerous people he's inflicted misery upon (families of the people he's killed, families of the gang members) better? No. He can say all he wants, he can write all he wants, but he's still a convicted murderer. He took the life of another human being, and he deserves his life to be taken from him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I heard that there might be some sort of riots when he's killed. Anyone who riots is completely out of their mind. The only favor he could possibly do for the world is teaching his followers a lesson. They should learn from their "leader's" mistakes. What if you accidentally kill someone in a riot? You could end up in this guy's shoes.

 

 

 

He committed a crime and he must suffer the consequences.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

rumor has it there is going to be riots :roll:

 

 

 

but should one act ( ok killing 5 people or however many ) screw someone over for the rest of there life? if he does die which im expecting i just hope there isnt riots to kill more people.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I understand what you're saying and I agree that one act shouldn't screw someone over for the rest of their life-if it's a situation they couldn't control. This man had complete control over his actions and made a conscious decision to kill another human being. So yes. It should affect him for the rest of his life.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yea i agree with you, but should he die for it Why cant he just stay in prison, has he killed anyone there?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And I certainly hope that there isn't more violence after the execution. :?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He's the leader of a wide-spread gang. He's incited alot of violence. I'm guessing that people want to make an example out of him, to show that we do deal with murderers. You do get what you deserve. I think all murderers should be executed. It's more justice than letting them sit in prison, having a bed to sleep in every night and meals to eat everyday.

[stevester77]

 

 

 

4 peace nomines, people can change cant they :?:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

When will people actually read what has already been posted :roll: ? ANYONE can nominate ANYONE they want for the nobel prize. I just nominated my 12 year old brother... he's a legend now and deserves respect just because he's been nominated. Please, that means nothing.

[Barihawk]

I am really getting sick of the Justice system in America. We seem to glorify criminals and make celebrities out of them. Like Micheal Jackson, Martha Stewart, Scott Peterson, Tookie, that one guy who happened to be the 1000th person to get gacked...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

While we are all portraying the criminals as these famous champions of Justice, who is thinking about the victims and thier families? Liek oh noes! They were the enemies of teh murderer, so they must be teh bad, since teh murder is s00000 g00d.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Seriously, when you execute that many people and brag about it, you deserve your punishment, even if you have a God moment.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I wonder if the argument would even be happening if Tookie was white. Nah, since that means he is just another white trash scumbag who obviously deserved it. Being black in America just makes you a champion from the streets.

[stevester77]

I am really getting sick of the Justice system in America. We seem to glorify criminals and make celebrities out of them. Like Micheal Jackson, Martha Stewart, Scott Peterson, Tookie, that one guy who happened to be the 1000th person to get gacked...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

While we are all portraying the criminals as these famous champions of Justice, who is thinking about the victims and thier families? Liek oh noes! They were the enemies of teh murderer, so they must be teh bad, since teh murder is s00000 g00d.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Seriously, when you execute that many people and brag about it, you deserve your punishment, even if you have a God moment.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I wonder if the argument would even be happening if Tookie was white. Nah, since that means he is just another white trash scumbag who obviously deserved it. Being black in America just makes you a champion from the streets.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Don't forget that those last few sentences automatically mean that your a racist here. :roll:

[Barihawk]

 

I am really getting sick of the Justice system in America. We seem to glorify criminals and make celebrities out of them. Like Micheal Jackson, Martha Stewart, Scott Peterson, Tookie, that one guy who happened to be the 1000th person to get gacked...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

While we are all portraying the criminals as these famous champions of Justice, who is thinking about the victims and thier families? Liek oh noes! They were the enemies of teh murderer, so they must be teh bad, since teh murder is s00000 g00d.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Seriously, when you execute that many people and brag about it, you deserve your punishment, even if you have a God moment.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I wonder if the argument would even be happening if Tookie was white. Nah, since that means he is just another white trash scumbag who obviously deserved it. Being black in America just makes you a champion from the streets.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Don't forget that those last few sentences automatically mean that your a racist here. :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Showing favor to one race is just as racist as kicking them in the face. In a system of equality, everyone should be treated as the same, not be given privaleges or disadvantages because of thier skin color.

[hmwcawcc]

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[cjlhdevil]

I don't know if it was posted as I'm not reading all 4 pages only 1st one. But can everyone just make sure they know, he is not on trial for starting the biggest gang war in the world to date, so his attempt at stopping gang violence and him starting it has nothing to do with it. HE DID HOWEVER kill 4 people in an armed robbery which is punishable by death. People with lessers crimes on emotional killings have got the same. He deserved his sentence for the crime and no matter how much he does to make up for the gang he started it doesn't bring those 4 people back. Therefore he should and was killed.

[assassin_696]

R.I.P. Tookie, the American justice system has failed once again. :(

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anybody who is going to disagree with this, think about it, the death penalty is supposed to be used as the ultimate deterrent, so if a man who campaigned against violence after being there himself and made a difference get's killed, what message does that send out to the next generation? They don't care about you whatever you may do after. They live in the moment, with no regard for change.

[cjlhdevil]

R.I.P. Tookie, the American justice system has failed once again. :(

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anybody who is going to disagree with this, think about it, the death penalty is supposed to be used as the ultimate deterrent, so if a man who campaigned against violence after being there himself and made a difference get's killed, what message does that send out to the next generation? They don't care about you whatever you may do after. They live in the moment, with no regard for change.

It says don't commit 4 murders of innocent people robbing somewhere. If he was realised it shows that one could commit one of the most horrific crimes possible then just write and few books and talk out against about what you did and be released. Saving him shows an easy way out for the next generation.

[gotsol]

 

R.I.P. Tookie, the American justice system has failed once again. :(

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anybody who is going to disagree with this, think about it, the death penalty is supposed to be used as the ultimate deterrent, so if a man who campaigned against violence after being there himself and made a difference get's killed, what message does that send out to the next generation? They don't care about you whatever you may do after. They live in the moment, with no regard for change.

It says don't commit 4 murders of innocent people robbing somewhere. If he was realised it shows that one could commit one of the most horrific crimes possible then just write and few books and talk out against about what you did and be released. Saving him shows an easy way out for the next generation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

only why to show punishment is to kill the person? oh well rip tookie

[logic-is-overrated]

only why to show punishment is to kill the person? oh well rip tookie

Execution isn't the only option but it is a viable one.

[Barihawk]

R.I.P. Tookie, the American justice system has failed once again. :(

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anybody who is going to disagree with this, think about it, the death penalty is supposed to be used as the ultimate deterrent, so if a man who campaigned against violence after being there himself and made a difference get's killed, what message does that send out to the next generation? They don't care about you whatever you may do after. They live in the moment, with no regard for change.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It also gives the message that you can avoid punishment by atonement. When your guilt has been proven beyond doubt, and you apparently enjoyed killing people...you should at least apologize.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If I went out and shot your mother in the back twice while laughing, then blew your sister's head off while she begged for her life, I would go to jail. If I wrote 4 childrens stories on how murder is bad, would you forgive me? Would you be standing outside the prison on the night of my execution with a sign that says "FREE HAWK!!!"?

[Barihawk]

Double Post, sorry.

[SkULLEDPK3R]

i would your in the ooc :D

[Howie101]

i would save u too barihawk....bros before hos...and also before foes...and also before family which doesnt rhyme

[cjlhdevil]

i would save u too barihawk....bros before hos...and also before foes...and also before family which doesnt rhyme

Idiotic post. Do you mean his family should be there? Of course every family wants their son taken off death row and so would friends... How ever bros before [garden tools]? how does this apply to the case of him murdering 4 innocent people. Before foes? No these were innocents he killed... and bros before family? What the hell. God you have no idea what you're talking about before.

[abyssalreaper]

I'm against the death penalty completly, no one has the right to take another persons life. However this man has caused the self genocide of Black people across the nation! I think he should of spent life in jail however not killed. Then again if anyone deserves it in this time its him and Saddam Hussein.

[TheRealist]

yup good ol justice system, someone actually betters their self in prision and they are still deamonized but at the same time 1000's of people probabley got out of jail today who will be right back in jail for the same [cabbage].

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think Arnold made a huge mistake by NOT granting clemency in this case. He could have used to publicity to his advantage and also used 'tookie' as a meduim to help curb the violence in the streets. I'm afraid there might be some civil unrest, and in California we all know some civil unrest can go from minor to extreme in a hurry. I think 'tookie' would have been used better as a means to untie the streets and also influence the younger kids with his late life teachings. There are many other cases that are far better suited towards the death penalty than this one. Either way, I really think Arnold should have granted clemancy...

[stevester77]

I'm against the death penalty completly, no one has the right to take another persons life. However this man has caused the self genocide of Black people across the nation! I think he should of spent life in jail however not killed. Then again if anyone deserves it in this time its him and Saddam Hussein.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. I thought you hated Bush :roll:

 

 

 

2. Genocide :? ?

[timmay929]

 

I'm against the death penalty completly, no one has the right to take another persons life. However this man has caused the self genocide of Black people across the nation! I think he should of spent life in jail however not killed. Then again if anyone deserves it in this time its him and Saddam Hussein.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. I thought you hated Bush :roll:

 

 

 

2. Genocide :? ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Genocide is something like racial cleansing I believe. Trying to make one race superior, like what Hitler did. But I don't think he should have had the death penalty. They should of let him live the rest of his life in prison, instead of what they did.

[stevester77]

 

 

I'm against the death penalty completly, no one has the right to take another persons life. However this man has caused the self genocide of Black people across the nation! I think he should of spent life in jail however not killed. Then again if anyone deserves it in this time its him and Saddam Hussein.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. I thought you hated Bush :roll:

 

 

 

2. Genocide :? ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Genocide is something like racial cleansing I believe. Trying to make one race superior, like what Hitler did. But I don't think he should have had the death penalty. They should of let him live the rest of his life in prison, instead of what they did.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

lol I know what genocide is.. im simply wondering how he can call gang violence genocide.

[Scruffy5389]

I'm going to assume that my post got lost in the middle of the third page and no one read it. So I'll post my idea again:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This guy has not reformed. Here is an editorial from the Boston Globe, one of the most liberal newspapers in the entire country...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Unlike the peaceful, painless demise awaiting Williams (Tookie), the deaths of his victims were horrific: He shot each of them at close range with a 12-gauge shotgun, shattering their bodies so that they died in agony. Their suffering amused him. "You should have heard the way he sounded when I shot him," Williams bragged after killing Albert Owens. According to the district attorney's summary of the evidence, "Williams then made gurgling or growling noises and laughed hysterically about Owens's death."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As cofounder of the deadly Crips street gang in 1971, Williams's criminal legacy goes well beyond the four murders for which he was convicted. The gang violence he unleashed 34 years ago has destroyed thousands of lives and left countless other victims scarred by r@pe, assault, and armed robbery. Though he now claims to have reformed and has written books with an antigang message, he has never admitted his guilt or expressed any remorse for the slaughter of Albert Owens and the Yang family. If his supposed contrition amounts to anything more than lip service, he has yet to prove it. Williams adamantly refuses to be debriefed by police about the Crips and their operations or to provide any information that could help bring other killers to justice. In fact, officials at San Quentin have said he continues to orchestrate gang activity from behind bars.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He has not actually reformed. If he had, and it was genuine, maybe there would be a legitimate argument in granting him clemency. But the fact is that he has not reformed. He is still a criminal.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe you don't like the death penalty in general (understandable), but there is no way you can say this guy is just a big ol' teddy bear who deserves to walk free. He deserves to be punished under the law.