Primal rapier and Berserk (Ring customize)

[Dire_Wolf]

Wouldn't rapier be good to use for faster rushing of floors? Higher damage>Better Rapier gets?

Rapier > all others when 5:1 rushing.

5:1?

[Quyneax]

Five people bashing monsters meant for one person.

[Dire_Wolf]

Five people bashing monsters meant for one person.

I see. But with higher damage, shouldn't Rapier be good to use? I mean look at Godsword and Abyssal whip, Godsword has better accuracy and hits high but is slow, but Whips speed makes it the better choice.

 

Should this not apply for Primal rapier vs 2h slow weapons? Specially when you get higher Berserker (on ring).

 

PLUS:

This should make solo rushing faster?

[Quyneax]

Five people bashing monsters meant for one person.

I see. But with higher damage, shouldn't Rapier be good to use? I mean look at Godsword and Abyssal whip, Godsword has better accuracy and hits high but is slow, but Whips speed makes it the better choice.

 

Should this not apply for Primal rapier vs 2h slow weapons? Specially when you get higher Berserker (on ring).

 

PLUS:

This should make solo rushing faster?

Rapier would be good to use, as I said. It wouldn't be as good solo, I think, but still good.

[Dire_Wolf]

Five people bashing monsters meant for one person.

I see. But with higher damage, shouldn't Rapier be good to use? I mean look at Godsword and Abyssal whip, Godsword has better accuracy and hits high but is slow, but Whips speed makes it the better choice.

 

Should this not apply for Primal rapier vs 2h slow weapons? Specially when you get higher Berserker (on ring).

 

PLUS:

This should make solo rushing faster?

Rapier would be good to use, as I said. It wouldn't be as good solo, I think, but still good.

Well was just wondering. Rapier's problem is that it don't hit through at complexieyt 6. But with higher damage maybe it's still good?

[Obtaurian]

The relationship between monsters and weapons is different in Daemonheim. The faster weapon is not necessarily the best in Daemonheim due to how sensitive monsters are to their weaknesses, and there aren't as many boosts available to push the faster weapon over the top. The rapier is good if there's just one on a team, but a team of rapiers would be pretty bad. If you're soloing, you definitely want a prom 2h, spear, or primal baxe due to the versatility they offer. The rapier is the best weapon for c1s, however.

[Dire_Wolf]

Any other way to get Primal battleaxe other than level 89 boss?

[Obtaurian]

Any other way to get Primal battleaxe other than level 89 boss?

 

No. Tier 11 items are only dropped by specific bosses (so Thunderous only drops battleaxes, and as such is the only boss that drops primal battleaxes).

[Dire_Wolf]

Thanks for answers

[xpx]

Obtaurian, prom spear is almost completely useless next to a primal rapier, with the only real advantage being poison damage(which is rare). If you are considering binding one, you should bind rapier instead(same max hit, 25% faster).

 

A team of primal rapiers wouldn't be completely terrible for occult floors, as there are loads more low defense monsters than on other floors, but the team would struggle against high level melee warriors and some bosses. The team would be somewhat worse for abandoned floors as skeletons require crush, zombies are weak to slash.

 

SirHemen, did you even look at the DPS calculation data? 200 defense max hit means either level 190 defense or 99 defense and 50 defensive bonus, thus either an unarmored monster leveled around 160 or an armored monster leveled around 80, meaning that the rapier is better or the same as 2h/baxe for around 75% of large 5:5 monsters. It's best for any stab-weak monster.

 

Rapier is easily the best for any low floor rushing.

[Dire_Wolf]

Obtaurian, prom spear is almost completely useless next to a primal rapier, with the only real advantage being poison damage(which is rare). If you are considering binding one, you should bind rapier instead(same max hit, 25% faster).

 

A team of primal rapiers wouldn't be completely terrible for occult floors, as there are loads more low defense monsters than on other floors, but the team would struggle against high level melee warriors and some bosses. The team would be somewhat worse for abandoned floors as skeletons require crush, zombies are weak to slash.

 

SirHemen, did you even look at the DPS calculation data? 200 defense max hit means either level 190 defense or 99 defense and 50 defensive bonus, thus either an unarmored monster leveled around 160 or an armored monster leveled around 80, meaning that the rapier is better or the same as 2h/baxe for around 75% of large 5:5 monsters. It's best for any stab-weak monster.

 

Rapier is easily the best for any low floor rushing.

I didn't look at the data, i hate looking at numbers. But i was just wondering if Primal rapier would be good. I used Promethium rapier when rushing and it worked great, but when i meet a zombie or a warrior i hit loads 0s at c6 floors.

 

However i recently got Celestial staff. Wouldn't Celestial staff (Warriors)+Primal rapier be a good combo?

 

 

Thanks.

[ghjkl]

Sure if you wanna get raped and enjoy begging for food.

[Dire_Wolf]

Sure if you wanna get raped and enjoy begging for food.

I don't understand what your are talking about.

[xpx]

Sure if you wanna get raped and enjoy begging for food.

I don't understand what your are talking about.

You aren't 100 dg yet, so you'd be left with no armor, let alone a hood, which would make you completely defenseless. Most of the people of 5:5 dungeons bind b-axes or 2h swords anyway so you'd be completely fine against the very few prim/prom warriors you are to encounter in gd's, no need to get mage just because of those. And well, looking at the numbers, even if rapier is 40% worse against primal warriors and bosses, it makes up for it by being 15% better against low defense monsters or stab weak monsters.

[Dire_Wolf]

Thanks :shades: