Primal rapier and Berserk (Ring customize)

[Dire_Wolf]

Wouldn't Berserk custome on your ring and Primal rapier be good?

[essal]

Berserker :thumbup:

Primal rapier :thumbdown:

Promethium spear (p++) :thumbup:

[Dire_Wolf]

Berserker :thumbup:

Primal rapier :thumbdown:

Promethium spear (p++) :thumbup:

But Berserker dont work for Spear?

[Cactuaar]

I think best overall is 2h with berserker setting, although I've read arguments that in teams with all 2h/spear, 1 rapier will help more than a 5th 2h/spear, but I have no idea on that really.

[essal]

Berserker :thumbup:

Primal rapier :thumbdown:

Promethium spear (p++) :thumbup:

But Berserker dont work for Spear?

Proof?

[Low C]

Berserker :thumbup:

Primal rapier :thumbdown:

Promethium spear (p++) :thumbup:

But Berserker dont work for Spear?

Proof?

 

Was confirmed by Jagex, and I'm sure all the dge elites who switched to Prom 2h wouldn't have taken the time if it wasn't confirmed.

[essal]

Tank: damage is reduced when wielding a shield (you don't wield shields in dungeoneering) :thumbdown:

Tactician: increases chance of hitting in accurate stance (you don't always use accurate stance) :thumbdown:

Berserker: increases strength levels when calculating damage (jackpot!) :thumbup:

[essal]

Conclusion: Berserker mode and promethium 2h sword. :thumbsup:

[Low C]

Tank: damage is reduced when wielding a shield (you don't wield shields in dungeoneering) :thumbdown:

Tactician: increases chance of hitting in accurate stance (you don't always use accurate stance) :thumbdown:

Berserker: increases strength levels when calculating damage (jackpot!) :thumbup:

 

Tank is very useful for keyers since they normally bind a Primal Baxe and use a shield off the starting table.

 

Go read Theancient's dungeoneering guide for some knowledge to some of these things.

[essal]

Tank: damage is reduced when wielding a shield (you don't wield shields in dungeoneering) :thumbdown:

Tactician: increases chance of hitting in accurate stance (you don't always use accurate stance) :thumbdown:

Berserker: increases strength levels when calculating damage (jackpot!) :thumbup:

 

Tank is very useful for keyers since they normally bind a Primal Baxe and use a shield off the starting table.

 

Go read Theancient's dungeoneering guide for some knowledge to some of these things.

 

Unless you're dungeoneering with a private group (where roles have been selected prematurely), you'd have to adapt in certain situations meaning that you won't always be the key holder. Besides, key holders should have shadow silk hoods. Most dungeoneers can only bind 2 items and you wouldn't want no weapon, right?

[essal]

Tank: damage is reduced when wielding a shield (you don't wield shields in dungeoneering) :thumbdown:

Tactician: increases chance of hitting in accurate stance (you don't always use accurate stance) :thumbdown:

Berserker: increases strength levels when calculating damage (jackpot!) :thumbup:

 

Tank is very useful for keyers since they normally bind a Primal Baxe and use a shield off the starting table.

 

Go read Theancient's dungeoneering guide for some knowledge to some of these things.

Sorry, misread that. But still, battleaxes suck lol. <.<

[Low C]

Tank: damage is reduced when wielding a shield (you don't wield shields in dungeoneering) :thumbdown:

Tactician: increases chance of hitting in accurate stance (you don't always use accurate stance) :thumbdown:

Berserker: increases strength levels when calculating damage (jackpot!) :thumbup:

 

Tank is very useful for keyers since they normally bind a Primal Baxe and use a shield off the starting table.

 

Go read Theancient's dungeoneering guide for some knowledge to some of these things.

 

Unless you're dungeoneering with a private group (where roles have been selected prematurely), you'd have to adapt in certain situations meaning that you won't always be the key holder. Besides, key holders should have shadow silk hoods. Most dungeoneers can only bind 2 items and you wouldn't want no weapon, right?

 

Most key holders I've dungeoned with have had Hood + B axe bound. I have hood + prom 2h bound. Generally the b axe is the better choice but I don't claim to be an elite keyer so I'll stick with my 2h.

[Bladewing]

several people have told me that PRIMAL baxe is possibly superior to PROMETHIUM 2h.

 

PRIMAL 2h will definitely surpass PRIMAL baxe when warped (and therefore primal2h) are released.

[Will H]

Always remember that the Berserker effect only kicks in when you use an aggressive style! Spears don't work because they only have accurate, controlled or defensive styles. I think everyone already knows this, but I thought I'd throw it in just in case.

[Dire_Wolf]

I don't understand. Why isn't Primal or Prothium rapier + Berserker good? It's faster than 2h...and many monsters have low defence so it's not like you will find yourself hitting 0s all time.

[Low C]

I don't understand. Why isn't Primal or Prothium rapier + Berserker good? It's faster than 2h...and many monsters have low defence so it's not like you will find yourself hitting 0s all time.

Because more monsters in daemonhiem are weak to slash and crush than they are to stab.

[Dire_Wolf]

I don't understand. Why isn't Primal or Prothium rapier + Berserker good? It's faster than 2h...and many monsters have low defence so it's not like you will find yourself hitting 0s all time.

Because more monsters in daemonhiem are weak to slash and crush than they are to stab.

Ok, thanks.

[SirIzenhime]

Always remember that the Berserker effect only kicks in when you use an aggressive style! Spears don't work because they only have accurate, controlled or defensive styles. I think everyone already knows this, but I thought I'd throw it in just in case.

 

They don't have accurate.

[Grimy_Bunyip]

several people have told me that PRIMAL baxe is possibly superior to PROMETHIUM 2h.

 

PRIMAL 2h will definitely surpass PRIMAL baxe when warped (and therefore primal2h) are released.

stick with prom 2h unless you key often.

[Sir_Squab]

I don't understand. Why isn't Primal or Prothium rapier + Berserker good? It's faster than 2h...and many monsters have low defence so it's not like you will find yourself hitting 0s all time.

 

Plus, not all monsters have low def. Rapier is really inaccurate and sucks on higher def monsters.

[xpx]

Berserker :thumbup:

Primal rapier :thumbdown:

Promethium spear (p++) :thumbup:

That post makes no sense at all-

 

Prom spear has the same max hit as primal rapier with berserker t18(spears don't benefit from berserker).

Prom spear is 25% slower than rapier.

Prom spear has the same slash bonus as rapier.

Prom spear has slightly higher stab bonus than rapier.

Prom spear has a slightly useful crush attack mode.

 

From that, prom spear can almost never be better than rapier, and is usually much worse.

 

But yeah, i have been using a primal rapier for ages now, even before people found out 2h's were good. As i've said a thousand times, it's good because it's best where other people are at their worst(slow slash/crush vs. fast stab), so, no doubt, it's good for the team. As an overall weapon, however, it's not as good as prim baxe/prom 2h.

 

Also- rapier is the best weapon for rushing low floors.

[Obtaurian]

I just made the switch from prom 2h to primal rapier, and I absolutely love it. I'm so used to killing stuff with a whip that the rapier feels completely natural to use. It makes dungeoneering feel a little like slaying, which is a HUGE plus for me.

 

I know I'm not really contributing to the topic, but I thought I'd throw that out there.

[xpx]

just to bring some science into mix, here are some DPS calculations from grimys sheets for the two best weapons(prim baxe and prom 2h) in comparison to the primal rapier, all of which use t8 berserker ring(they all have 2 strength modes):

 

Max hit weapon(style)              def    DPS
445	Promethium 2H (slash)	   10	217,443	20	214,915	40	209,858	80	199,744	160	179,517	320	139,063	640	74,746	1,280	37,373	
445	Promethium 2H (crush)	   10	216,645	20	213,717	40	207,862	80	196,151	160	172,730	320	125,888	640	64,316	1,280	32,158
411	Primal Battleaxe (slash)   10	239,347	20	235,721	40	228,468	80	213,962	160	184,950	320	126,926	640	63,577	1,280	31,788
411	Primal Battleaxe (crush)   10	239,127	20	235,391	40	227,918	80	212,973	160	183,082	320	123,300	640	61,650	1,280	30,825
350	Primal Rapier (stab)	   10	253,448	20	248,922	40	239,871	80	221,767	160	185,560	320	114,844	640	57,422	1,280	28,711
350	Primal Rapier (slash	   10	252,404	20	247,356	40	237,260	80	217,067	160	176,683	320	102,539	640	51,270	1,280	25,635

This is without any prayers.

Max hit weapon(style)              def    DPS
580	Promethium 2H (slash)	   10	284,821	20	282,232	40	277,054	80	266,696	160	245,982	320	204,554	640	124,609	1,280	62,305
580	Promethium 2H (crush)	   10	283,958	20	280,938	40	274,896	80	262,813	160	238,646	320	190,313	640	106,484	1,280	53,242
536	Primal Battleaxe (slash)   10	314,291	20	310,636	40	303,327	80	288,709	160	259,473	320	201,000	640	108,038	1,280	54,019	
536	Primal Battleaxe (crush)   10	313,943	20	310,114	40	302,457	80	287,143	160	256,514	320	195,257	640	103,013	1,280	51,506	
455	Primal Rapier (stab)	   10	331,771	20	327,031	40	317,552	80	298,594	160	260,677	320	184,844	640	93,311	1,280	46,655	
455	Primal Rapier (slash)	   10	330,909	20	325,739	40	315,398	80	294,716	160	253,352	320	170,625	640	85,313	1,280	42,656

And this is with turmoil, maximum boost.

 

So- without any boosts, rapier will be better or the same as the others up to around level 200 defense. With turmoil, rapier will be better or the same as the others up to 250 defense. And, not to forget, rapier has a stab mode, which makes it very useful to have in a dungeon.

[Dire_Wolf]

Wouldn't rapier be good to use for faster rushing of floors? Higher damage>Better Rapier gets?

[Quyneax]

Wouldn't rapier be good to use for faster rushing of floors? Higher damage>Better Rapier gets?

Rapier > all others when 5:1 rushing.