Rapier vs ZS on frost dragons

[FreedomClan]

Ok, I was doing some math while trying to decide between getting a rapier or cbow. (If I get a rapier it would be for frost dragons and slayer after I get 99 att with whip, cbow would be for Arma and pvp stuff)

I was thinking about what weapon I would use for frost dragons if I did get a cbow, and I think I found something that a lot of people have overlooked.

 

I might be wrong, so check my logic and math please

Ok, so chaotic rapier/long cost 2m every 10 hours or 200k/hr, right?

So, you should be making at least 200k/hr extra when using them for it to be worth it, right?

so 200k/16k = about 12 extra bones to get per hour to make that 200k back...

60/12=5 Extra Kills PER MINUTE

And that's not possible to even get 5 kills per minute is it, let alone 5 extra kills?

 

So am I wrong (and please tell me where my error is) or what?

[jetricx]

Rapier lasts a lot longer than 10 hours in single combat, although I'm afraid that I can't help more since I personally don't have 85 dg.

[Low C]

Rapier > Zs by far is all you need to know.

[Dire_Wolf]

Chatic crossbow seems best for Frost dragons because you don't have to run around to launch attacks. As for Rapier, it's great. Both weapon lasts enough for you to pay off the 2M and also for you to earn loads cash. It's worth it by far. 10 hours lasts longer than you think.

[Low C]

Chatic crossbow seems best for Frost dragons because you don't have to run around to launch attacks. As for Rapier, it's great. Both weapon lasts enough for you to pay off the 2M and also for you to earn loads cash. It's worth it by far. 10 hours lasts longer than you think.

 

Best as in? It's not the best for kills per hour, nor gp/hr. Both of those categories rapier excels and is number 1 in. The only thing chaotic crossbow is good for like you said is less running around. Which at that point I recommend a Hand Cannon. Check out the guide xpx wrote for some references to the claims I gave.

[Obtaurian]

Yup, rapier > everything, basically. Like Lowc said, ranged is useful if you don't want to do as much clicking, and in that case the hand cannon is best.

[Hegel]

Ok, I was doing some math while trying to decide between getting a rapier or cbow. (If I get a rapier it would be for frost dragons and slayer after I get 99 att with whip, cbow would be for Arma and pvp stuff)

I was thinking about what weapon I would use for frost dragons if I did get a cbow, and I think I found something that a lot of people have overlooked.

 

I might be wrong, so check my logic and math please

Ok, so chaotic rapier/long cost 2m every 10 hours or 200k/hr, right?

So, you should be making at least 200k/hr extra when using them for it to be worth it, right?

so 200k/16k = about 12 extra bones to get per hour to make that 200k back...

60/12=5 Extra Kills PER MINUTE

And that's not possible to even get 5 kills per minute is it, let alone 5 extra kills?

 

So am I wrong (and please tell me where my error is) or what?

Your math is wrong. You need to kill at least 1 more dragon per 5 minutes, not 5 more dragons per minute. Simple dimensional analysis should tell you that.

[FreedomClan]

Rapier lasts a lot longer than 10 hours in single combat, although I'm afraid that I can't help more since I personally don't have 85 dg.

how is that? How long does it last then?

 

Rapier > Zs by far is all you need to know.

I need to know how much per hour I'm losing on frost dragons to decide which weapon to get

 

Chatic crossbow seems best for Frost dragons because you don't have to run around to launch attacks. As for Rapier, it's great. Both weapon lasts enough for you to pay off the 2M and also for you to earn loads cash. It's worth it by far. 10 hours lasts longer than you think.

You still have to run around to pick up drops though, and I'm already 99 range, I would rather train my melee while making money, plus that would have the recharging cost plus the bolts cost.

 

I'm confused how 10 hours can last longer than 10 hours. Does it only count the time you're attacking moving the weapon, not the time between attacks when the other monster is hitting you?...or something?

 

edit:

Your math is wrong. You need to kill at least 1 more dragon per 5 minutes, not 5 more dragons per minute. Simple dimensional analysis should tell you that.

oh.

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......

*facepalm*

Thank You.

[Low C]

Rapier lasts a lot longer than 10 hours in single combat, although I'm afraid that I can't help more since I personally don't have 85 dg.

how is that? How long does it last then?

It is determined by the amount of time you're in combat. When multiple things attack you it will degrade faster, in single combat it will last much longer than 10 hours. Exact figures I'm not certain of.

 

Rapier > Zs by far is all you need to know.

I need to know how much per hour I'm losing on frost dragons to decide which weapon to get

Read 0xpx0's guide in the Aow, he gives some figures for you to go by. I would suggest using a cannon + rapier like he does to achieve 200 kills per hour. Using z spear you will not come close to that.

Chatic crossbow seems best for Frost dragons because you don't have to run around to launch attacks. As for Rapier, it's great. Both weapon lasts enough for you to pay off the 2M and also for you to earn loads cash. It's worth it by far. 10 hours lasts longer than you think.

You still have to run around to pick up drops though, and I'm already 99 range, I would rather train my melee while making money, plus that would have the recharging cost plus the bolts cost.

 

I'm confused how 10 hours can last longer than 10 hours. Does it only count the time you're attacking moving the weapon, not the time between attacks when the other monster is hitting you?...or something?

I answered above.

edit:

Your math is wrong. You need to kill at least 1 more dragon per 5 minutes, not 5 more dragons per minute. Simple dimensional analysis should tell you that.

oh.

...

......

*facepalm*

Thank You.

[Quyneax]

Yup, zspear ~ cls because of the recharge cost, but rapier is clearly better than zspear.

 

Elaborating on the 10 hours statement: as far as I know, chaotics degrade when you are attacked, when you attack, and when soaking damage (shields only). Cannoning lighthouse dagganoths will degrade your rapier very quickly (many attacks hitting you), whereas on something like Kuradal's greater demons (fairly slow attacks, lots of running) it will last you for a bazillion tasks.

[Dire_Wolf]

My bad. I did not think of picking up drops and that range is slow. I use a Rapier though, but thought Crossbow could be good to use.

[AnneFrank]

rapier is awesome there, but be sure to bring a cannon it increases your kills per hour by alot.

[ghjkl]

Ccbow is crap at frosts. If you have high fm use a hand cannon, if you have low fm use bolt racks. It is as simple as that.

[Lose No Hope]

Your math is wrong. You need to kill at least 1 more dragon per 5 minutes, not 5 more dragons per minute. Simple dimensional analysis should tell you that.

Was just about to post this before I saw you beat me to it.

[xpx]

Rapier costs 90k an hour, and gets around 15 kills more an hour than ZS. Ccbow is not worth it over rune crossbow(the extra kills don't pay for the recharge cost).

[SacredFlam3s]

 

I might be wrong, so check my logic and math please

Ok, so chaotic rapier/long cost 2m every 10 hours or 200k/hr, right?

So, you should be making at least 200k/hr extra when using them for it to be worth it, right?

so 200k/16k = about 12 extra bones to get per hour to make that 200k back...

60/12=5 Extra Kills PER MINUTE

And that's not possible to even get 5 kills per minute is it, let alone 5 extra kills?

 

So am I wrong (and please tell me where my error is) or what?

 

should be 12/60. therefore 0.2 or one dragon per 5 minutes as you need twelve more dragons per hour so extra dragons/minutes in hour =0.2, which is how ever many more per minute.

 

C rapier by far unless you do a lot of arma