Chaotic staff vs SOL

[MotherBrainII]

I know I'm making two topics in very quick succession, but the questions are entirely unrelated. If this is a problem, feel free to join them.

 

My current (partly hypothetical) setup for safe PVP (dueling, clan wars, Castle Wars, etc) is as follows:

 

Full slayer helm

Ahrim's top and bottom

Arcane stream necklace

Staff of light

Arcane spirit shield

Guthix cape

Barrows Gloves

Infinity boots

Seers ring

 

I use magic exclusively. My question is this: what would be more effective combat wise with this setup of a chaotic staff and a staff of light? I'm not concerned about cost of recharge or extra rune cost, so the tradeoff is purely between the stat boosts of the chaotic staff against the SOL's special attack, considering that I'm not using the special bar for anything else.

[Obtaurian]

Chaotic staff. Use EEE for specs if you need to.

[MotherBrainII]

Chaotic staff. Use EEE for specs if you need to.

 

I don't have access to the EEE, nor am I likely to for a very long time.

 

In that case, should I get the chaotic staff and not bother with the special bar at all?

 

I'm surprised by how few people consider melee damage having for one minute to be useful. Is there a reason for this?

[aspeeder]

Chaotic staff. Use EEE for specs if you need to.

 

I don't have access to the EEE, nor am I likely to for a very long time.

 

In that case, should I get the chaotic staff and not bother with the special bar at all?

 

I'm surprised by how few people consider melee damage having for one minute to be useful. Is there a reason for this?

Yes, because Claws or EE/EEE are far better alternatives. You should have one of those three, or even a dds and it'd be superior to the SoL.

[Quyneax]

Range is generally your largest enemy. I'd consider replacing fsh with guthan's helm or some other tank piece. Also you can bring Zuriel's staff for some real maging, although it costs tons.

[MotherBrainII]

So is the argument against the SOL special basically that other specs exist that are more useful, not that the special itself carries less value than the 5% damage boost and slight magic attack/overall defence boosts granted by the chaotic staff?

 

I don't think I have the melee stats to pull off use of a DDS efficiently.

[Quyneax]

So is the argument against the SOL special basically that other specs exist that are more useful, not that the special itself carries less value than the 5% damage boost and slight magic attack/overall defence boosts granted by the chaotic staff?

 

I don't think I have the melee stats to pull off use of a DDS efficiently.

The argument is that you shouldn't be meleed much with ice barrage ;-).

[MotherBrainII]

So is the argument against the SOL special basically that other specs exist that are more useful, not that the special itself carries less value than the 5% damage boost and slight magic attack/overall defence boosts granted by the chaotic staff?

 

I don't think I have the melee stats to pull off use of a DDS efficiently.

The argument is that you shouldn't be meleed much with ice barrage ;-).

 

That's true. :P

 

I have in the past found the SOL special useful in the event that I'm facing multiple people that can't all be barraged at once, or where my freezes happen to miss.

 

There is the point that range is a bigger threat anyway, although a surprising number of people in minigames and the duel arena "stupid-melee".

[All_Is_Great]

Chaotic staff is better. The SOL special is pretty useless when you consider the condition you'll use it in, you will just get piled by a bunch of people and die anyways. The spec bar has much better uses than the SOL.

[ranqe]

i would say chaotic. sol's spec is nice but as people as putting there are much better things to spec with

you could bring a healing familier

 

for the spec just bring a melee spec wep and use it on d hide and robes if you feel like you lack the levels to hit melee armor well

[muggiwhplar]

zuriels staff :thumbup:

[All_Is_Great]

But zuriels staff degrades and only gives +10 instead of +20.

[Ardzik]

How about runes save ability - chaotic staff have it ? Even if its 1/8, stacking with battle robes to 1/2 its always something worth to take into calculation.

[aspeeder]

How about runes save ability - chaotic staff have it ? Even if its 1/8, stacking with battle robes to 1/2 its always something worth to take into calculation.

He said that he doesn't care about cost, so that ability is useless; it's basically down to is 5% more mage damage worth giving up the SoL spec.

[MotherBrainII]

How about runes save ability - chaotic staff have it ? Even if its 1/8, stacking with battle robes to 1/2 its always something worth to take into calculation.

He said that he doesn't care about cost, so that ability is useless; it's basically down to is 5% more mage damage worth giving up the SoL spec.

 

And, if you really want to be pedantic, +1 magic attack and defense and around +4 in each melee defense stat. :P

 

Zuriel's staff isn't really an option since there's no real way to keep it other than constantly replacing it. I don't mind paying for recharge costs, but actually getting the staff from the GE is a pain in the butt and there's no way to check how close the staff is to degrading (i.e. it disappearing in the middle of a fight could be a problem).

[Quyneax]

Zuriel's is only equipped for one cast at the time, I think. It's mainly for taking out very high levels bashing your avatar/flag carrier.

[MotherBrainII]

Zuriel's is only equipped for one cast at the time, I think. It's mainly for taking out very high levels bashing your avatar/flag carrier.

 

Makes sense. Of course, this still leaves me with the conundrum of choosing a main weapon.

 

At the moment I'm leaning towards the chaotic staff.

[SoulWars]

I know I'm making two topics in very quick succession, but the questions are entirely unrelated. If this is a problem, feel free to join them.

 

My current (partly hypothetical) setup for safe PVP (dueling, clan wars, Castle Wars, etc) is as follows:

 

Full slayer helm

Ahrim's top and bottom

Arcane stream necklace

Staff of light

Arcane spirit shield

Guthix cape

Barrows Gloves

Infinity boots

Seers ring

 

I use magic exclusively. My question is this: what would be more effective combat wise with this setup of a chaotic staff and a staff of light? I'm not concerned about cost of recharge or extra rune cost, so the tradeoff is purely between the stat boosts of the chaotic staff against the SOL's special attack, considering that I'm not using the special bar for anything else.

Consider this beforehand buying chaotic staff (if you don't have it already):

*It requires charges

*Its alchemy value is extremely low

*It doesn't save runes

*It only adds 5% damage (comparing it to the SoL)

*It requires 200K tokens

You sure?

[All_Is_Great]

^ All those being said, at the end of the day, the chaotic staff is still the best staff in the game. And since OP is primarily a mager, i don't see how it wouldn't be worth it.

[Peronix]

Statwise, the choice is obvious if you're unconcerned with rune costs/recharge. The special on the staff of light wouldn't really see much use unless you're like me and occasionally like to camp the enemy's spawn in castlewars purely for the giggles of destroying dozens of people repeatedly with ice + blood barrage.

 

I don't see why you can't just carry both tbh. If you're not using another spec weapon and you need the damage reduction, switch to SoL and use it as needed. Though it will obviously be pointless if you're using another spec weapon.