RSBDavid Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 The government already invades my privacy enough already. There is a thing as too much Government. [software Engineer] - [Ability Bar Suggestion] - [Gaming Enthusiast] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nifflin Posted June 9, 2011 Author Share Posted June 9, 2011 I think it's part of the social contract between citizens and the government. If the government is going to be giving services to citizens then the government should have the right to know who they are and especially if they are even citizens. If a citizen wants to remain anonymous then that's their right, but should they receive anything from the government they contribute nothing to? I don't think so. Citizens pay taxes for schools, public hospitals, infrastructure. Citizens vote. There should be a system in place to ensure that citizens are primarily receiving the benefits. And centralization of identities would help all sections of the government from healthcare to law enforcement become more efficient in the long run. PM me in game anytime It's a lot easier then that for an idiot to sound smart on the internet. That's exactly what you're doing right now... just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aspeeder Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 I think it's part of the social contract between citizens and the government. If the government is going to be giving services to citizens then the government should have the right to know who they are and especially if they are even citizens. If a citizen wants to remain anonymous then that's their right, but should they receive anything from the government they contribute nothing to? I don't think so. Citizens pay taxes for schools, public hospitals, infrastructure. Citizens vote. There should be a system in place to ensure that citizens are primarily receiving the benefits. And centralization of identities would help all sections of the government from healthcare to law enforcement become more efficient in the long run.Non-citizens in this country do pay taxes as well, in fact illegal immigrants paid more in federal taxes than GE. http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww6/aspeeder/Siggy_zpsewaiux2t.png 99 Strength since 6/02/10 99 Attack since 9/19/10 99 Constitution since 10/03/10 99 Defense since 3/14/11 99 Slayer since 8/30/11 99 Summoning since 9/10/11 99 Ranged since 09/18/11 99 Magic since 11/12/11 99 Prayer since 11/15/11 99 Herblore since 3/29/12 99 Firemaking since 5/15/12 99 Smithing since 10/04/12 99 Crafting since 9/16/13 99 Agility since 9/23/13 99 Dungeoneering since 1/1/14 99 Fishing since 2/4/14 99 Mining since 2/28/14 99 Farming since 6/04/14 99 Cooking since 6/11/14 99 Runecrafting since 10/10/14 9 Fletching since 11/11/14 99 Thieving since 11/14/14 99 Woodcutting since 11/20/14 99 Construction since 12/03/14 99 Divination since 2/22/15 99 Hunter since 2/23/15 99 Invention since 01/20/17 99 Archaeology since 5/14/22Quest Point Cape since 08/20/09 Maxed since 2/23/15 Fire Cape since 02/27/13 Slayer: 3 Leaf-Bladed Swords, 8 Black Masks, 2 Hexcrests, 26 Granite Mauls, 5 Focus Sights, 32 Abyssal Whips, 9 Dark Bows, 1 Whip Vine, 3 Staffs of Light, 15 Polypore Sticks Dragon: 9 Draconic Visages, 7 Shield Left Halves, 20 Dragon Boots, 40 Dragon Med Helms, 8 Dragon Platelegs, 6 Dragon Spears, 20 Dragon Daggers, 5 Dragon Plateskirts, 1 Dragon Chainbody, 63 Off-hand Dragon Throwing Axes, 19 Dragon Longswords, 27 Dragon Maces, 1 Dragon Ward Treasure Trails: Saradomin Full Helm, Ranger Boots, Rune Body (t), Saradomin Vambraces, Various God Pages Misc:1 Onyx,1 Ahrim's Hood, 1 Guthan's Chainskirt, 1 Demon Slayer Boots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnpike Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 The illegal immigrants are still cheating the system..even with the SS card. It probably wouldn't make enough of a difference to be noticeable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginger_Warrior Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 In the UK, the proposal for ID cards included *us* paying for it, when of course it would be mandatory to have one. It's ridiculous and without even going into a debate over privacy (I don't really care if the government knows whether I browse porn or not), I'm not convinced they're effective at combating illegal immigration or terrorism. | Favourite Game Music | Last.fm | HYT Friend Chat Rules | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldJoe Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 In the UK, the proposal for ID cards included *us* paying for it, when of course it would be mandatory to have one. It's ridiculous and without even going into a debate over privacy (I don't really care if the government knows whether I browse porn or not), I'm not convinced they're effective at combating illegal immigration or terrorism.What do you use in the UK? J'adore aussi le sexe et les snuff moviesJe trouve que ce sont des purs moments de vieJe ne me reconnais plus dans les gensJe suis juste un cas désespérantEt comme personne ne viendra me réclamerJe terminerai comme un objet retrouvé Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obfuscator Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 It's delusional that people think they are anonymous from their own government.This guy seemed to be pretty successful at it.I meant in context of a normal life. Certainly his life was anything but normal. "It's not a rest for me, it's a rest for the weights." - Dom Mazzetti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginger_Warrior Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 In the UK, the proposal for ID cards included *us* paying for it, when of course it would be mandatory to have one. It's ridiculous and without even going into a debate over privacy (I don't really care if the government knows whether I browse porn or not), I'm not convinced they're effective at combating illegal immigration or terrorism.What do you use in the UK?Sorry, didn't catch this. The original legislation passed under the previous Labour government was scrapped by the new coalition government | Favourite Game Music | Last.fm | HYT Friend Chat Rules | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obfuscator Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 Not getting your point here... "It's not a rest for me, it's a rest for the weights." - Dom Mazzetti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obfuscator Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 I find that extremely hard to believe. And once again, this is not within the context of a normal life. "It's not a rest for me, it's a rest for the weights." - Dom Mazzetti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obfuscator Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 A normal life within society, such as everyone on this forum hoping to be anonymous lives. "It's not a rest for me, it's a rest for the weights." - Dom Mazzetti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obfuscator Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 The government knows a lot more about you than you think. I'm not saying it's impossible, I just find it kind of ironic that people here are so concerned about protecting their anonymity from the government when the mere fact they're posting here indicates they've probably long since lost it. "It's not a rest for me, it's a rest for the weights." - Dom Mazzetti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obfuscator Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 Exactly. True anonymity is possible but not within the context of normal society. "It's not a rest for me, it's a rest for the weights." - Dom Mazzetti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will H Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 To elaborate my position, I can't agree with a fully fleshed out compulsory ID card, with pictures and DOBs and everything because the ends don't justify the means, although I have no ideological objection to the concept. Compiling and coordinating that information and printing them out on a card for every citizen would be prohibitively expensive (especially in such a vast country), will save comparatively little. Also, there's the question of how long the concept of carrying around 'cards' will still remain relevant when digital wallets are on the horizon. However, you do need to have a proper centralised system for tax, which requires taxpayer identification, which means a nationwide identification number and doesn't have to involve printing off a card (although that's an optional preference). I expect that saved paperwork and the number of caught tax dodgers would easily offset the cost. ~ W ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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