FFA Corp Setups

[IHasChicken]

I'm looking to do some FFA corp in the near future and I was wondering about set-ups.

 

Basically I have a few ideas about set-ups and was wondering which one would be most effective, backed up by some evidence. I have 4 basic setups in mind.

 

Max REASONABLE Strength Bonus Setup:

 

Helm of Neitiznot

Bandos Chestplate

Bandos Tassets

Amulet of Fury

Barrows Gloves

Dragon Boots

Fire Cape

Berserker Ring (i)

Z Spear/V Spear

 

Max Stab Bonus Setup:

 

Fighter Helmet

Bandos Chestplate

Bandos Tassets

Amulet of Fury

Barrows Gloves

Dragon Boots

Ardy Cape 3

Onyx Ring (i)

Z Spear/V Spear

 

Max REASONABLE Strength Bonus Setup (void)

 

Void Melee Helmet

Elite Void Torso

Elite Void Legs

Amulet of Fury

Void Gloves

Dragon Boots

Fire Cape

Berserker Ring (i)

Z Spear/V Spear

 

Max Stab Bonus Setup (void)

 

Void Melee Helmet

Elite Void Torso

Elite Void Legs

Amulet of Fury

Void Gloves

Dragon Boots

Ardy Cape 3

Onyx Ring (i)

Z Spear/V Spear

 

Note this is FFA where no one uses BGS/SWH, so it assumes a Corp at full Defence. I will also avoid teams with people who have Max/Comp capes on them (or call them nolifers or efficiency assclowns, whatever I feel like doing,) so assume that isn't a factor.

 

Which would be the best setup?

[Helm_Lardar]

Well, the amulet of strength has a higher bonus than the amulet of a fury, so the first isn't really a 'max strength' setup.

[IHasChicken]

Well, the amulet of strength has a higher bonus than the amulet of a fury, so the first isn't really a 'max strength' setup.

 

If you want to trade +2 strength for +10 stab, then go ahead.

 

Or, you could just be a troll, and not answer the question, instead trying to point out holes in it and that's cool too.

 

I'll rename it to max reasonable strength bonus JUST for you.

[CharlieBrown]

When accuracy = strength, strength will always give a higher dps.

 

Meaning, if you have 100 accuracy, but can do another set up with 100 strength, always go for strength.

 

I cbf figuring out what the accuracy and strength of each set up is

Call me lazy

Call me a troll

Call me an assclown

 

:) x

[IHasChicken]

When accuracy = strength, strength will always give a higher dps.

 

Meaning, if you have 100 accuracy, but can do another set up with 100 strength, always go for strength.

 

I cbf figuring out what the accuracy and strength of each set up is

Call me lazy

Call me a troll

Call me an assclown

 

:) x

 

That's the problem though, Nex and Corp (especially unhammered or BGS'ed Corp,) are the 2 monsters in the game where it is debatable whether strength bonus is more valuable than attack bonus

 

I know that if you're more than 50% accurate on a monster that you should definitely go with the Strength Bonus, but I don't know if you have more or less than 50% accuracy on Corp.

 

I'm also not 100% sure on how defence rolls are calculated, which is why I need some calculations to confirm whether to go with the accuracy or strength setups.

 

I also need more information on the mechanics of void (when the strength/accuracy bonuses are applied etc,) to know whether to go with that over Bandos, so that is why I have the 4 setups listed.

[Quyneax]

Bandos/Str			6	108	120	1.0000	1.0000	508	496	43.64%	108.46	27.11
Bandos/Stab			6	124	105	1.0000	1.0000	508	456	47.70%	109.00	27.25
Bandos/max atk+str		6	118	113	1.0000	1.0000	508	477	46.18%	110.37	27.59

Bandos/Str/Vesta		5	156	167	1.0000	1.0000	508	622	55.22%	172.00	34.40
Bandos/Stab/Vesta		5	172	152	1.0000	1.0000	508	582	58.25%	169.81	33.96
Bandos/max atk+str/Vesta	5	149	142	1.1000	1.0000	508	555	57.95%	161.10	32.22

Void/Str			6	96	99	1.1000	1.1000	508	484	44.66%	108.30	27.07
Void/Stab			6	107	87	1.1000	1.1000	508	448	47.73%	107.15	26.79
Void/max atk+str		6	101	95	1.1000	1.1000	508	471	46.05%	108.69	27.17

Void/Str/Vesta			5	144	146	1.1000	1.1000	508	622	56.94%	177.36	35.47
Void/Stab/Vesta			5	155	134	1.1000	1.1000	508	587	59.10%	173.76	34.75
Void/max atk+str/Vesta		5	149	142	1.1000	1.1000	508	610	57.95%	177.03	35.41

That's attack speed, attack bonus, strength bonus, void bonus, target defence roll, max hit, accuracy, average damage per hit and dps. Grimy's calculator needs an output function badly :P.

 

Conclusion: with zspear, max total attack + str in Bandos is best.

 

With Vesta's spear, max strength bonus in void is best.

[IHasChicken]

Bandos/Str			6	108	120	1.0000	1.0000	508	496	43.64%	108.46	27.11
Bandos/Stab			6	124	105	1.0000	1.0000	508	456	47.70%	109.00	27.25
Bandos/max atk+str		6	118	113	1.0000	1.0000	508	477	46.18%	110.37	27.59

Bandos/Str/Vesta		5	156	167	1.0000	1.0000	508	622	55.22%	172.00	34.40
Bandos/Stab/Vesta		5	172	152	1.0000	1.0000	508	582	58.25%	169.81	33.96
Bandos/max atk+str/Vesta	5	149	142	1.1000	1.0000	508	555	57.95%	161.10	32.22

Void/Str			6	96	99	1.1000	1.1000	508	484	44.66%	108.30	27.07
Void/Stab			6	107	87	1.1000	1.1000	508	448	47.73%	107.15	26.79
Void/max atk+str		6	101	95	1.1000	1.1000	508	471	46.05%	108.69	27.17

Void/Str/Vesta			5	144	146	1.1000	1.1000	508	622	56.94%	177.36	35.47
Void/Stab/Vesta			5	155	134	1.1000	1.1000	508	587	59.10%	173.76	34.75
Void/max atk+str/Vesta		5	149	142	1.1000	1.1000	508	610	57.95%	177.03	35.41

That's attack speed, attack bonus, strength bonus, void bonus, target defence roll, max hit, accuracy, average damage per hit and dps. Grimy's calculator needs an output function badly :P.

 

That all makes sense, except when you say max atk+str.

 

What does that mean? Is it a mixture of atk and str bonuses (like an onyx ring (i) and a fire cape, or an ardy cape and a zerker (i)?)

 

Besides that, from those calculations it looks like it is best to go with Void, a Zerk (i) and Fire cape, and a Vesta's spear (although most Corp FFA teams will kick you for using one LOL).

 

EDIT: Oh, I see now, because the bandos gives Strength bonus too, even in the max attack bonus, you included that. Derp.

 

EDIT2: No, derp, I'm still confused

 

EDIT3: So the second setup for a Z Spear and the third setup for a V Spear. Good to know, thanks :wink:

 

It will be quite fun when I want to troll bad FFA Corp clans by coming in void + max str + V spear. That setup looks like it can do some absolute damage.

[Helm_Lardar]

Sorry: I only posted about the amulet because I was hoping to get a good reason why the fury was so much better. And I did, so that's good.

[GlowinRedM]

Bandos/Str			6	108	120	1.0000	1.0000	508	496	43.64%	108.46	27.11
Bandos/Stab			6	124	105	1.0000	1.0000	508	456	47.70%	109.00	27.25
Bandos/max atk+str		6	118	113	1.0000	1.0000	508	477	46.18%	110.37	27.59

Bandos/Str/Vesta		5	156	167	1.0000	1.0000	508	622	55.22%	172.00	34.40
Bandos/Stab/Vesta		5	172	152	1.0000	1.0000	508	582	58.25%	169.81	33.96
Bandos/max atk+str/Vesta	5	149	142	1.1000	1.0000	508	555	57.95%	161.10	32.22

Void/Str			6	96	99	1.1000	1.1000	508	484	44.66%	108.30	27.07
Void/Stab			6	107	87	1.1000	1.1000	508	448	47.73%	107.15	26.79
Void/max atk+str		6	101	95	1.1000	1.1000	508	471	46.05%	108.69	27.17

Void/Str/Vesta			5	144	146	1.1000	1.1000	508	622	56.94%	177.36	35.47
Void/Stab/Vesta			5	155	134	1.1000	1.1000	508	587	59.10%	173.76	34.75
Void/max atk+str/Vesta		5	149	142	1.1000	1.1000	508	610	57.95%	177.03	35.41

That's attack speed, attack bonus, strength bonus, void bonus, target defence roll, max hit, accuracy, average damage per hit and dps. Grimy's calculator needs an output function badly :P.

 

Conclusion: with zspear, max total attack + str in Bandos is best.

 

With Vesta's spear, max strength bonus in void is best.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there a particular str bonus that was shown to always be more dps with void than in (reasonable) max str gear?

[Quyneax]

Void gives you +10% strength bonus and a +6.4 bonus (since gear bonus is added to 64 and void multiplies the lot by 1.1). Since you can have 12+4+3+2 strength bonus in Bandos/Neitiznot/barrows gloves, you need 10*(21-6.4) = 146 total strength bonus in void for the void setup to have a higher max hit. However since you can only have +12 attack bonus with that setup, you only need 56 attack bonus in void to have higher accuracy, which is always.