Hegemony

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Well Tavern, as you have probably heard on the news, I successfully pushed leaders from the most powerful countries to sign the World Peace treaty. With the full cooperation of each nation, the world military has been obliterated and all funds have been redirected to me - the New World leader. I've always dreamed of having full power over the world, yet I simply cannot handle all this responsibility. That is why I assimilated all Tip.it'ers into my new world council. To you I give full power over the nation of your choice, in order to exercise your values over millions of people. I will not judge your choice of politics, yet you are responsible for making the country of your choice a better place. First come first serve, so place your dibs now!

Unfortunately some islanders have declared independance, and so I have declared a state of war between us and them, whoever takes them can have their lands.

 

 

 

I personally will be stationed on the Isle of Wight, which I have appointed to be the science capital of the world. Here I will hire all top minds of the world to research important scientific fields - namely space colonization and human engineering. I have segregated my tiny islands from the rest of the UK, so it is still up for grabs for anyone who wants to rule it.

 

 

 

So go ahead tip.it, let's hear your plans for ruling the world. If somebody doesn't seem fit to run the country you would have liked to rule, overthrowing them is always a possibility Play nice!

 

 

 

EDIT: Here are the new world laws, to be enforced by the members of the Council (everybody!)

 

 

 

-Play realistically within the 1 day = 1 year ratio

 

-No nukes whatsoever

 

-You can make or join an alliance, but your alliances rules only apply for the members in your alliance.

 

-No extreme acts of war without retort. The country receiving the blow must retaliate.

 

-Your troop number cannot exceed your population. Your population must also be sensible and take the size of the land you own into consideration (I will not accept new countries having populations of 1 billion.)

 

-You may as of now expand your nations. However, taking over a country will take ATLEAST 3 days (if it is unpopulated) and potentially weeks if the other player retorts.

 

-Take into account troop movement time. Even though airplanes and cars exist it still takes awhile to GET to a country, which a lot of people have ignored.

 

-Crazy scientific advancements are to be shared with the entire world. Nobody has to right to discover energy-efficient cars and manufacture them exclusively.

 

-If a player quits or becomes inactive, his country disappears. I know many will oppose this law, but I assure you it is the best way.

 

 

 

So yeah. Hegemony goes back to no complicated super systems.

Play the game, play reasonably, argue the toss.

Only gonna play the War Mod.

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[Leiana]

.....Hrms......I'll have to think this through

[The_Mather1]

[bleep] yeah!

 

I'll take Norway, making the good ol' excel sheet in a moment.

[Resistance]

I would like to take the UK please.

[Leiana]

I'll go for Canada!

[The_Mather1]

Some things we should agree on; population growth-rate and how much of our GDP we have as our budgets.

I'm going to suggest 2.5% for growth and 10% for budgets.

[Retech]

I don't think I'll be playing this time around, but I'll be reading up probably.

 

Rooting for Rocco to win this time around. :pray:

[Resistance]

UK:

 

GDP £1.39 trillion

£139,000,000,000 (billion) for spending.

 

£89 billion into computational research.

£50 billion into the British space project (I will already have the resources from: UKSA, ESA and CSIRO so this is basically just going to be a massive research project into space travel) I will be supplying a portion of my

 

 

Current military: 404,130 Personel

79 military ships

948 military aircraft

(est.) 600 tanks

(est.) 400 helicopters

 

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Mathers please put up your excel document you were talking about.

[Guest Rob]

I'll take the USA, if it hasn't been dibbed somewhere else that I don't know of.

[The_Mather1]

the world military has been obliterated

 

Current military: 404,130 Personel

79 military ships

948 military aircraft

(est.) 600 tanks

(est.) 400 helicopters

 

 

 

Population 4 975 000,00

 

Taxation $104 675 243 750,00

Export $122 009 785 500,00

Other $28 620 478 500,00

 

GDP $255 305 507 750,00

 

Budget $25 530 550 775,00

 

 

My excel sheet is of no use to you, you'd have to change all of the values, and only one of them can be found on the internet, the rest have to be figured out by math.

[The_Mather1]

I factor it in by having all incomes be population*base value.

[Icuownage]

I'll take the glorious empire of Nippon (Japan)

 

Budget (GDP)

$5.458 trillion

Or

5,458,000,000,000

 

 

I'm not sure how to factor in growth, is it (populationgrowth*population)*GDP Per Capita?

 

Our first act of business is to rebuild the navy, as this is the first line of defense if any foolish attacker were to attempt to attack our glorious islands

 

A large proportion of Japan's budget is now spent on the naval revival project, allocating around 3,000,000,000,000 spent over 10 years. Meaning 300,000,000,000 a year.

 

We hope to have a sizeable navy after the 10 years

 

We're going for atleast one big battleship (which will be our flagship), 10 submarines, 5 minelayers/sweepers, 5 destroyers, 5 escorts, 3 smaller battleships, 10 missile cruisers, 3 aircraft carriers.

 

Does this seem reasonable, that's 42 ships in 10 years, pretty much 4.2 ships a year.

 

I would also like to know if I can push that higher. As that is like 3 trillion man.

 

 

Our remaining budget goes into improving infrastructure, as our large population density has caused traffic jams which we would like to stop, this will also create jobs to improve our economy.

 

We hope to see a 5% return increase to our budget within a few years, and a further 10% increase when the entire project is complete

 

So 2.4 trillion

 

5% = 120,000,000,000

 

10% = 240,000,000,000

 

A total of 360,000,000,000, in let's say 10 years?

[paul191600]

I'll take the glorious empire of Nippon (Japan)

 

Budget (GDP)

$5.458 trillion

Or

5,458,000,000,000

 

 

I'm not sure how to factor in growth, is it (populationgrowth*population)*GDP Per Capita?

 

Our first act of business is to rebuild the navy, as this is the first line of defense if any foolish attacker were to attempt to attack our glorious islands

 

A large proportion of Japan's budget is now spent on the naval revival project, allocating around 3,000,000,000,000 spent over 10 years. Meaning 300,000,000,000 a year.

 

We hope to have a sizeable navy after the 10 years

 

We're going for atleast one big battleship (which will be our flagship), 10 submarines, 5 minelayers/sweepers, 5 destroyers, 5 escorts, 3 smaller battleships, 10 missile cruisers, 3 aircraft carriers.

 

Does this seem reasonable, that's 42 ships in 10 years, pretty much 4.2 ships a year.

 

I would also like to know if I can push that higher. As that is like 3 trillion man.

 

 

Our remaining budget goes into improving infrastructure, as our large population density has caused traffic jams which we would like to stop, this will also create jobs to improve our economy.

 

We hope to see a 5% return increase to our budget within a few years, and a further 10% increase when the entire project is complete

 

So 2.4 trillion

 

5% = 120,000,000,000

 

10% = 240,000,000,000

 

A total of 360,000,000,000, in let's say 10 years?

 

Weaboo.

 

Dibs on Russia.

[Icuownage]

Nah man, Japan is a fortress!

[Grim_]

Dibs on Italy, now I only need to get a supply of fancy hats.

 

EDIT: The hats have been procured. Begin obligatory speech from: Benito Corleone-Marcone-Botticelli-Marinara-Sovrano-Svorza

 

Benito enters from the right of the stage to an avalanche of applause; maybe because he is the newly elected Prime Minister, and maybe because he seems to have been taking Stalin-esque measures against his political opponents and rivals, both real and imagined; though they all got the same treatment from his so called "red shirts", vicious gangsters supporting him in exchange for some unknown boon. He pauses beneath the Italian flag and with a single tear noticeably streaking down the right side of his face, he salutes it (an odd move for a man with no military service, though no one called him on it at the time). He walks towards the podium and holds up a hand to stop the nervous applause (for what else can a man give when he thinks his life is on the line?) and silence flooded the auditorium. He began to speak, in a rather unremarkable tenor "Friends, citizens, country men, it is good to see you on this fine day. I come flush with not just victory, but ideas; new and spreading through my head like so many shooting stars. My friends, I am afraid; not for myself of course, but for Italy, for (dramatic pause) Rome and for Europe as a whole. For too long have we languished fat on the work of our fathers when the Saracens and orientals built up power over our heads. For too long have we let our empathy and compassion cloud our judgment. For too long have we let scum come into our homes, and take our work from under our children's feet only to breed like rabbits with a hormone imbalance. I say no, this should not and shall not stand, I call to the french, the Germans, The Spanish, the dutch and all others who have claim to Europe. Italy shall be for the Italians, let Europe be for the Europeans. To further these aims, I am extending an offer of defensive alliance to all countries in Europe, so that we may stand tall, and stand together.

 

I'll edit in the stats later. (Not too shabby for a facist dictator's speech if I don't say so myself).

[jasignhagj]

USA. Powergaming time.

[Retech]

Have you been to Japan before, Icu? :)

 

Their infrastructure is already top of the line.

[Resistance]

As my budget was incorrect last years budget was saved and this years budget is still to be calculated. Mather, could I please have the Excel sheet so I can work out the budget fairly.

 

 

The new British Prime Minister; Nikolai Stoltenberg has been discussing the mutually beneficial thought of the merging of France and Britain' date=' there are many political issues that prevent this from happening so they process may take a couple of years however there have been some suggestions that could potentially speed up the process. Agreements have already been made between the French and our parliment have already signed the [i']Gouvernement Jumelées[/i] treaty which governmentally puts us under one parliment with a board of eight directors agreeing on other such things.

At the moment political tension is high and the two leaders have agreed not to make any agreements that could alter the political mood. There has been some minor rioting in both France and Britain however the riots so far have been dealt with in a safe and effective way and the government plans to continue a safe reasonable response to the rioting.

The merging of the two economys according to the French President will "improve the lives of all French and British citizens and will be the next steps to a technological age". Although the two countrys have receivd criticism many British and French citizens support this change and the outlook is seeming good.

[Leiana]

Canada does nothing of significant militarial action. We is currently nutral in matters of war.

Population: Errrrrrrrrrrrr Budget: Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[Icuownage]

@Retech

 

I think so once, and no it isn't, sure they have a very good train system and such, but their population is too high for their current system, people are packed into trains, much like what happens in China.

 

@Res

 

France merging with Britain? Not in a million years, just because we've built the channel tunnel and not allowed trips to France easier does not mean we want to integrate them into Britain.

 

There would also be rather high amount of anger through both states, and probably more than a police force could handle (granted that some of them may also join the riot)

 

 

 

My fellow Japanese people. Today marks the start of our climb to the top of the largest mountain. Where will stand! An envy to the other nations as they fumble and flail below. We shall become a paragon of culture and technology, and shall every nation fear our glorious and awesome wrath. Japan shall enter a golden age, and we will guide the world to a better tomorrow.

 

I start with our infrastructure and navy, two projects I hope to see the completion of. Soon, the economy of Japan will know no limits, soon, the blade that we hold will be able to cut the sharpest of armours. No obstacle is too much!

 

[Resistance]

I disagree.

 

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• The French Government and British Government are extremely close, they are allied.
  
• The French people have had no conflicts with the UK, its not like I'm merging with Germany a couple of months after wwII
  
• Only an extremely small minority would be angry enough to violently protest about it, I can handle that. The student protests weren't violent and they were far worse in the eyes of students. People would be a little peeved but there wouldn't be any threat.
  
• The EU has been disolved, this leaves Britain slightly open with France having its back. There is a fear factor that the government can latch on to.
  
• With the situation about gun and sword legality it will be extremely hard for anybody to do much damage, smashing a few shop windows and pushing over a police officer maybe but it isn't serious enough for people to want to murder/maim or go to prison for.
  
• People have been convinced of the economic benefits, with the current climate people will want money.
  
• This isn't a merging of countrys, its a merging of politics. Sort of like a really powerful alliance.
  
• So far the treaty has been signed, it will be forgotten in a month a la Madeline McCann. It'll take up the front page of the daily mail and then (providing no further information is released about it) it'll be forgotten in a week.
  
• I have this years and last years budget to spend on military when I'm told the formula.
  

 

Mather, could you please attach the Excel spreadsheet for working out GDP please. My other things that I mentioned on the previous page haven't been bought or researched as I did not have the correct budget.

[Icuownage]

Uh saying the 'treaty has been signed' doesn't really work because, it's the fact that treaty has been signed I'm arguing about. See with this hegemony, you can say you do something, and people will argue against it, and then the majority decide what happens.

 

My reasons against your reasons

- An alliance does not mean you can merge with them, if so then why isn't Britain and America merged

- Do you know the French people that well? I thought not. And there are a TON of nationalists who would disagree with you

- I don't see where it says the EU has dissolved, and even so, that is bad reasoning as I could say "The NPC nations decide to suddenly reform the EU, because it was good and it makes no sense it was dissolved"

- And just because guns are illegal, does not mean people wont have them...

- Uhhh, you said you're merging your government, I don't think that should include economy, because then you are basically merging the two countries..(Why would they give you all their economy, and not let you manage their people)

- And that's a pretty sick reason. And this is much bigger than that story... It actually effects the lives of everyone in the country, instead of a select few.

 

My reasons why it wouldn't work

- We aren't even similar cultrually, France is very different from UK

- Different currencies (One country is going to have to reprint ALL of their money to accomodate the new national currency, and as UK will definately not switch to the Euro and the French will definately not switch to the Pound)

- Nationalists (They want a word with you)

- One of the leaders is going to have to give up ALLLLL their power pretty much, which doesn't sound like a thing a person would do.

[Retech]

Deutschland uber alles!

 

 

 

The rise of the mighty industrial giant of Germany has taken place against the backdrop of the miraculous economic miracle of China. To capitalize this, Germany has been exporting technical know-how and machinery to China. This has led to the dramatic growth of German capital, even more so compared to the languishing economies of Spain.

 

Following the bankruptcy of Spain, Germany has purchased all Spanish assets and with that, gained tremendous power in Spain. Sure, there is a small minority that challenges that, but nothing that cannot be handled. Further, Germany and China have concluded a strategic partnership, which is not a merger, but an extremely close alliance.

 

The question remains: how were the negotiations concluded so fast? This reporter suspects that the machianations of a mysterious corporation are involved.

 

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Summary: Spain, Germany, and China are joined in a super-alliance, led by me.

[Resistance]

Uh saying the 'treaty has been signed' doesn't really work because, it's the fact that treaty has been signed I'm arguing about. See with this hegemony, you can say you do something, and people will argue against it, and then the majority decide what happens.

 

My reasons against your reasons

- An alliance does not mean you can merge with them, if so then why isn't Britain and America merged

- Do you know the French people that well? I thought not. And there are a TON of nationalists who would disagree with you

- I don't see where it says the EU has dissolved, and even so, that is bad reasoning as I could say "The NPC nations decide to suddenly reform the EU, because it was good and it makes no sense it was dissolved"

- And just because guns are illegal, does not mean people wont have them...

- Uhhh, you said you're merging your government, I don't think that should include economy, because then you are basically merging the two countries..(Why would they give you all their economy, and not let you manage their people)

- And that's a pretty sick reason. And this is much bigger than that story... It actually effects the lives of everyone in the country, instead of a select few.

 

My reasons why it wouldn't work

- We aren't even similar cultrually, France is very different from UK

- Different currencies (One country is going to have to reprint ALL of their money to accomodate the new national currency, and as UK will definately not switch to the Euro and the French will definately not switch to the Pound)

- Nationalists (They want a word with you)

- One of the leaders is going to have to give up ALLLLL their power pretty much, which doesn't sound like a thing a person would do.

 

Yes it does.

There is rioting in France, correct.

The EU has dissolved because Archi is the world leader, there isn't any organised thing like that anymore.

Britain has the lowest rate of gun crime for a reason, because people don't have guns. Britain has very low gun ownership.

Its mutually beneficial.

The current situation will not affect the people of Britain.

 

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How is that relevent? Scottish culture is different from English culture.

Same Scotland argument, nothing of that sort has happened yet.

Minor rioting occurs.

Nothing of that has happened [yet] so its not worth arguing about.

 

 

Retech,

[Icuownage]

I'm not sure if you're trolling now.. Or just an idiot.

 

Scotland was conquered.... We didn't 'merge' with them. So that completely destroys your 'scotland arguement'

 

MINOR? Are you serious? The student loans were a minor riot, this would a major riot. People WILL get ahold of guns, people will get ahold of other weapons and people will use them.

 

Scotland's national currency is still the GBP

 

And ok, the EU dissolved, it still leaves a ton of arguements.

 

Just because it's mutually beneficial, does not mean people will do it. It's mutually beneficial if all war was stopped and everyone was ruled under a perfect government...

 

And the fact the french guy will have to give up his power is SOOOO obvious, that he will see it coming and wont agree...

 

And for the last time, an alliance does not equal the right to merge with someone..

 

It makes NO sense as to why the French government would sign off ALL their power of their country, to a foreign nation so that their economy could suddenly become better (which in my mind sounds perposterous anyway) France's national currency is the Euro, isn't it? So they would have to convert to the British pound, which they wont do...

 

It just doesn't make sense.