Investigating the Wise Old Man

[1alebcay]

Rethinking Runescape Lores and Histories

 

 

 

Was Saradom really a good guy in the beginning? In the article "A Brief History of Runescape" it says "I have heard disturbing tales from rival religions about the nature and behavior of Saradomin at this time, which I suspect is merely propaganda for various different religions." There is one thing that takes consideration about that though. For all propaganda to work there has to be truth behind it; actually, for most any lie to work there has to be a shred of truth behind it. Another thing to consider is one of Saradom's most devoted followers was caught on film robbing a bank. This makes the tail of Saradom not always being devoted to good even more likely. Even if the video of the bank robbery was only a cover up then it must have been covering up something even worse.

 

 

 

Concerning Arrav: History tells us that the child Arrav was found along a river on a day when both the sun and moon were shining. In many pagan religions the sun and the moon were important gods. In Egypt the Nile river was a source of life. It would almost seem as if 2 gods had had a son. It would seem even more so when as the boy grew up, his crops grew better than any one else's, and he had the strength and speed of men twice his size as a boy. Arrav taught his tribe silence while hunting, where to stand in streams so fish wouldn't notice them and what parts of animals should be removed before eating. This is especially important because in Hebrew religion their God set aside certain foods that they could not eat. It would almost seem as if Arrav was a child of of nature, does it not?

 

 

 

It seems even more so later in his story. When Arrav was 10 he still had no name. The tribes elders decided to send him on a quest for a name. While he was traveling he found a group of goblins about to attack his tribe. He thwarted their plan to attack his village and found his name. (Arrav was a goblin curse word that they screamed at him as they attacked him.) Now the city that his tribe settled has become the well known city of Varrock. If Arrav had not stopped the attack of the goblins then his tribe would have been over run, and Varrock would not exist today. He is also called the Hero of men. Does it not seem as if Nature (not gods) had put him there so that Varrock would be here today?

 

 

 

But why is he called the Hero of men? Saving Varrock was important, but we could live without Varrock today. That means that he did something more than just what we know so far, and what he did was very important, important enough that by doing it he saved men. As far was what happened later goes, we know that he found the shield and was unable to use it so it was donated to the museum. (An interesting note: The shield was donated to the museum about 7 years before the start of the fifth age.)

 

 

 

I'll be adding more to this but I was wanting to add it before tomorrow in case JAGeX decides to release the rest of the updates.

 

 

 

Also by the way, as far as some of the small details go graphics wise JAGeX has to repeat them in different places or else Runescape would just be a mishmash of completely different looking places that wouldn't at all be connected.

[Xewleer]

So, where are we in time as compared to the fifth age, because Arrav could still be alive, just away adventuring. Or even doing something right under our noses? Great find, 1alebcay!

 

 

 

I also agree that Saradomin isn't all he's cracked up to be.

[KCHughes]

Wow, Skeeran, that's a good find. :D Are those the skeletal mages that Malignus Mortifier summons?

 

 

 

For Alebcay, the Arrav story says that the tribe taught Arrav all of his skills, not the other way around, but I can see where you're going. Little details like the sun and moon being in the sky at the same time ought to be significant. Maybe it was an eclipse? I know some ancient civilizations witnessed an eclipse and thought that the moon god was devouring the sun god. So the thought of Arrav being the son of 2 gods is reasonable, I think. But which 2 gods, I wonder?

 

 

 

The story also said that Arrav's shield was an "artifact" that was long desired by the Mahjarrat. Arrav's story took place a really long time ago, and if they called the shield an "artifact" back then, then the shield must be really, really, old. After looking at the Knowledge Base, Arrav must have been around at the very early part of the 4th age, when settlements were barely permanent. So the shield must be something out of the God Wars, and extremely powerful. It would have given Zemouregal extreme power if he got a hold of it, according to the story. The story even says that the shield didn't belong to this world. Judging by the shield's blue and white color, it may have been the personal shield of Saradomin, who knows.

 

 

 

I'm curous, the history also said something about Robert the Strong, another hero like Arrav. I hope Jagex tells us more.

 

 

 

Another thing, the history salked about how sometimes in the 4th age that rogue necromancers would summon armies of undead warriors and lay waste to lots of things, which fits in to what we've speculated.

[skreeran1]

If you ask me, we're inferring too much about Arrav, we haven't even gotten the final part of the story. We should focus more on the facts and what we know, instead of basing huge ideas on a few small quotes.

[Randox]

And I agree that certain decorations are going to be repeted, and that there meaning (if any) should be judged in context. An example, the portrait of the king appreas in both Falador and Varrock, so one would just assume there pictures of the kings of the respective citys even though they a graphicly identical. I belive that the meaning of wall decorations is best judged by there 'examine'. However, in the case of the magical charm with swirl symbol, we would note that it only ever shows in close proximaty to witches.

 

 

 

An interesting idea I had about that saradomin/misthalin banner, is that, what if it only shows in places that have an alligence with varrock, or at least misthalin. It sort of makes sense, I mean the banner appears not once in all of faladore. This would imply that the black knights are in someway allied with varrock, (or at least the knights came from misthalin?). I susspect some shady doings that bear no relavence on this investigation :-k

 

 

 

I am the self proclamed king of: "Discovering usless things of high interest" :mrgreen:

[KCHughes]

If you ask me, we're inferring too much about Arrav, we haven't even gotten the final part of the story. We should focus more on the facts and what we know, instead of basing huge ideas on a few small quotes.

 

 

 

Pray for the continuation to be released on Monday. :pray:

 

 

 

This would imply that the black knights are in someway allied with varrock

 

 

 

Ha, hilarity. The Black Knights, the elite warriors of King Roald. That would be very funny.

[skreeran1]

Okay, I'm pretty sure we've confirmed that the claw marks don't have anything to do with any sort of grander plot, but it seems that we keep posting screens of them so I'd just like to point out that there are some in the edgeville dungeon:

 

 

 

[skreeran1]

So, where are we in time as compared to the fifth age, because Arrav could still be alive, just away adventuring. Or even doing something right under our noses? Great find, 1alebcay!

 

 

 

I also agree that Saradomin isn't all he's cracked up to be.

 

 

 

We are in the year 169 of the 5th age.

[Randox]

So, where are we in time as compared to the fifth age, because Arrav could still be alive, just away adventuring. Or even doing something right under our noses? Great find, 1alebcay!

 

 

 

I also agree that Saradomin isn't all he's cracked up to be.

 

 

 

We are in the year 169 of the 5th age.

 

 

 

If I understand this correctly that would mean Varrock has existed for what, about 175 years. The city is still young and alredy we are uncovering possible plots of not so good things.

 

 

 

And after examining my sig, I have descovered that I shall remind you all about my being the king of something by quoting myself. Ah well, I couldnt read what was in my sig anymore any way. It was something like: Just like egyptian short hand, all the vowels in this sentance have been removed. That is true about how the short hand worked. (I had that in my sig since the day I signed up)

[shansta7000]

i think i might have found king ronald (thats fallys kings name right) l

 

look at these pics

 

 

 

 

 

 

ok their is a bed fit for a king and a picture of a king in the basement of a wizards tower, and their is no-one of high stature to sleep in it.

 

next picture

 

 

 

 

 

 

look at the seklton and the banner of a kingdom, i think the skelton might be the king who was sleeping in the bed, a king who is missing, like king ronald

[Randox]

shansta7000 thanks for the input, however we have evidence that that is actuly one of the residences of the king of varrock. See my investigation of varrock on page 59 :mrgreen: for details

[shansta7000]

hmm... the bed is a diffrent color. but my main thing is the bones, whats up with that. why would their just be a skelton sitting their in a kings rooms

[Randox]

hmm... the bed is a diffrent color. but my main thing is the bones, whats up with that. why would their just be a skelton sitting their in a kings rooms

 

 

 

We dont know why the bed looks different, but it dose have the same examine as both of the kings other beds. That skelleton attacks you during the restless ghost, and again we dont know how it got there. Perhaps my next world class investigation should be of the tower and not lumbridge? And incase you all havent notices those last to investigations seem to have inflated my ego to dangerus levels, I better let the satisfaction and compliments wear off before the next investigation (either that or its because its now 12:01 pm). I'll go to bed now before I say something really stupid that i'll regret.

[shansta7000]

yea, maybe the skelleton is angry. it appears that when fally casle was built it was to worship sara. maybe the king wasoverthrown because the castle wasa goign to some other god. the king was banished to the wizard tower and died their but haunts people now. and your ego should be high, those where great reports you did.

[Xewleer]

Hey ugys, bad news Tricia Tannaka is dead...

 

 

 

there's another black knight north of Varrock.. this isn't good

[Randox]

Hey ugys, bad news Tricia Tannaka is dead...

 

 

 

there's another black knight north of Varrock.. this isn't good

 

 

 

Say that again in a language the other people understand. Who is Tricia Tannaka?

[Zaaps1]

Isn't the skeleton in Wizard's Tower supposed to be a Warlock?

[Xewleer]

okay, tricia tannaka was in the tv show lost and was killed when a meteor hit the restaurant she was in...

 

 

 

Hurley: dude, are you sure its safe... like burners and stuff?

 

manager: don't worry its all going to be turned on tomorrow...

 

 

 

Boom!!!!

 

 

 

So he comes home and his mom asked what happened: "Tricia Tannaka is dead!" very unique and awsome,

 

 

 

yeah, you get the picture... so in otherwords, when something bad happens, I say Tricia Tannaka is dead!

 

 

 

there are now two black knights north of Varrock!

[Randox]

Hmmm.. I shall have to check this out sometime between now and tomarrow about this time. And when I said investigation of wizzard tower, I meant draynor, which includes the tower.

[Zaaps1]

Hmmm.. I shall have to check this out sometime between now and tomarrow about this time. And when I said investigation of wizzard tower, I meant draynor, which includes the tower.

 

 

 

I recall a lot of those blood marks in the Lesser Demon's cage :wink:

[Latinoking]

WOW this thread pwnts I read like 7 pages into it and I'm hooked if their's anyway I can help Private Message me 8-)

[KCHughes]

Hold up on the tower, Randox. I think Lumbridge is the next place to go. It has the oddly-coloured Saradomin symbols all over the castle. The Tower is a good place to go for a culminating investigation, to tie up all the loose ends.

 

 

 

It's interesting that Varrock is only about 175 years old (that's about right, according to the Knowledge Base). That means that King Roald's family lineage is relatively young. That's only about 5 generations right there. WOM may himself be 200 or more years old. WOM has probably been alive through all 4 of Roald's ancestors, plus Roald. Interesting, don't you think?

 

 

 

Here's anothing thing. Do you think some of Roald's ancestors were the leaders of the original settlement of Avarrocka? Could Roald's ancestors have been the ones who took in Arrav and then sent him on his quest? An interesting drama is beginning to play out here.

 

 

 

And in a nonroundabout way, Xewleer, are the 2 black knights close together? Because there is that one black knight that hangs around in that saloon on the edge of the Wilderness, too. Does this mean that there are now 3 black knights? (Look at me, I'm calling it a saloon now. Curse you Wenlok :P )

[Latinoking]

LOL i know who holds all the answers:

 

Reldo

 

Reldo is the Varrock Librarian. He has read almost every book in the library and probably knows more about RuneScape's history than anyone else - even the Wise Old Man. He's also eager to help out wandering adventurers, so if you think he could help out at all he's worth talking to.

 

 

 

Reldo can be found in the library inside Varrock Palace.-RSKB

[Xewleer]

yes there is one in the bar and also there are now two outside I believe, unless the inside one really wondered off. They are very close together.

[KCHughes]

You were right, there are now 2 right outside Varrock's north gate, and 1 in the Jolly Boar. I wonder what's going on here...