Investigating the Wise Old Man

[bloody_scife]

Yeah, the Eye of Horus it's called.

[Randox]

I belive Icthlarian is the god of the dead yes, and amscut (the devourer) also resides in the deasert. These 2 would definatly not be in agreement with the meaning of that anku.

[dds777]

Ive always wondered how he got a blue p hat :-k

[Randox]

Ive always wondered how he got a blue p hat :-k

 

 

 

I dont suppose you've actualy watched the bank robery video? It's free the first time, and will easaly answer your question. You can watch it by talking to the bank gaurd outside of the draynor bank.

[Xewleer]

I belive Icthlarian is the god of the dead yes, and amscut (the devourer) also resides in the deasert. These 2 would definatly not be in agreement with the meaning of that anku.

 

 

 

Amascuts ankh is upside down, and I'm pretty sure that icthlarin and Amascut are enemies. But I wonder, Why hasn't Icthlarin tried to take his place among the Majharrat back?

 

 

 

Also, Icthlarin is taken directly from the egyptian mythology, and he has a jackel head, another majharrat had a camel head, maybe there are different types of majharrat among majharrat, as in family types?

[skreeran1]

Yeah, the Eye of Horus it's called.

 

 

 

1. I thought it was the eye of Osirus (sp?)

 

 

 

2. I'm a member now, anything you need, just tell me.

 

 

 

3. Hi Friends of Dream Warriors clan! (They posted a link to us on their site).

[Randox]

Yeah, the Eye of Horus it's called.

 

 

 

1. I thought it was the eye of Osirus (sp?)

 

 

 

2. I'm a member now, anything you need, just tell me.

 

 

 

3. Hi Friends of Dream Warriors clan! (They posted a link to us on their site).

 

 

 

The one thing I did manage to learn is that the eye of Horus is the same thing as the eye of osirus.

 

 

 

And theres a clan with a link to this thread now?

[Xewleer]

I would like to see that site, what is it?

[skreeran1]

I would like to see that site, what is it?

 

 

 

http://groups.msn.com/FriendsofDW/gener ... 0155826799

 

 

 

BTW, nice sig Xewleer, I'm christian too. (And Saradominist in RS, I carry around a Holy Book and wear a Holy Symbol).

[KCHughes]

3. Hi Friends of Dream Warriors clan! (They posted a link to us on their site).

 

 

 

That might explain many of the "duh" posts on here recently. Heh, Planoboy is doing some advertising. :P

 

 

 

...45 pages ago... :shock:

[Randox]

I would like to see that site, what is it?

 

 

 

http://groups.msn.com/FriendsofDW/gener ... 0155826799

 

Thats an old post, been there ahwile, we havent been at 20 pages in what? at least a few months, it was at like 16 when I started reading it.

[skreeran1]

Oops, lol. :P

 

 

 

I just joined that clan and seeing as it's on the front page I assumed... :P #-o

[KingWenlok]

Also, Icthlarin is taken directly from the egyptian mythology, and he has a jackel head, another majharrat had a camel head, maybe there are different types of majharrat among majharrat, as in family types?

 

Icthlarin looks scarily like Anubis to me, the god of embalming and preserving the dead. He also helps the dead person weigh their heart on a balance, with their heart at one end and the feather of truth at the other. If the heart is heavy with sin, the dead person will be eaten by a fearsome monster that is a cross between a crocodile, a lion, and a hippopotamus. However, if it is light and the feather weighs more, they will be allowed to pass on to Osiris, god of the underworld/afterlife. So, I'd guess that they took the idea of Icthlarin from Anubis, as they are basically the same thing. Out of interest, do we actually know much about the RuneScape afterlife? I know about Saradomin and his promise that his followers will spend eternal joy in paradise with him, but what of the Guthixi and the Zamorakians? Well I suppose Zamorakians would be treated to some form of Hell, but what of the Guthixi? And what of the worshippers of other gods, like: Armadyl, Zaros, Icthlarin, Seren, Amascut, etc?

 

 

 

That might explain many of the "duh" posts on here recently. Heh, Planoboy is doing some advertising.

 

 

 

...45 pages ago...

 

Well let's hope that this topic doesn't get on the weekly hot topic list, as we'll likely be swarmed with these 'duh' posts. :lol: I think these 'duh' posts are down to people thinking to themselves 'omg it a 65 pag tred wiht 1k+ replis! If we post their we loak gud!'

 

 

 

Thats an old post, been there ahwile, we havent been at 20 pages in what? at least a few months, it was at like 16 when I started reading it.

 

I was here since page 15. :lol: And of course, our good old friend KC was here since page 1, because he started it! :mrgreen:

[Trobigod]

Also, Icthlarin is taken directly from the egyptian mythology, and he has a jackel head, another majharrat had a camel head, maybe there are different types of majharrat among majharrat, as in family types?

 

Icthlarin looks scarily like Anubis to me, the god of embalming and preserving the dead. He also helps the dead person weigh their heart on a balance, with their heart at one end and the feather of truth at the other. If the heart is heavy with sin, the dead person will be eaten by a fearsome monster that is a cross between a crocodile, a lion, and a hippopotamus. However, if it is light and the feather weighs more, they will be allowed to pass on to Osiris, god of the underworld/afterlife. So, I'd guess that they took the idea of Icthlarin from Anubis, as they are basically the same thing. Out of interest, do we actually know much about the RuneScape afterlife? I know about Saradomin and his promise that his followers will spend eternal joy in paradise with him, but what of the Guthixi and the Zamorakians? Well I suppose Zamorakians would be treated to some form of Hell, but what of the Guthixi? And what of the worshippers of other gods, like: Armadyl, Zaros, Icthlarin, Seren, Amascut, etc?

 

 

 

That might explain many of the "duh" posts on here recently. Heh, Planoboy is doing some advertising.

 

 

 

...45 pages ago...

 

Well let's hope that this topic doesn't get on the weekly hot topic list, as we'll likely be swarmed with these 'duh' posts. :lol: I think these 'duh' posts are down to people thinking to themselves 'omg it a 65 pag tred wiht 1k+ replis! If we post their we loak gud!'

 

 

 

Thats an old post, been there ahwile, we havent been at 20 pages in what? at least a few months, it was at like 16 when I started reading it.

 

I was here since page 15. :lol: And of course, our good old friend KC was here since page 1, because he started it! :mrgreen:

 

 

 

Bolded parts:

 

1) Don't know about others, but as a follower of Zaros, I don't die. Ever

 

2) Wenlok, Kc ain't our friend, he's got a grudge with Zaros!

[KingWenlok]

Bolded parts:

 

1) Don't know about others, but as a follower of Zaros, I don't die. Ever

 

2) Wenlok, Kc ain't our friend, he's got a grudge with Zaros!

 

Well technically no one in RuneScape can die as they are immediately reborn again in Lumbridge. Anyway, I have a feeling that the afterlife for followers of Zaros (Zarosians?) is just nothing. It would sort of fit in with his status as the Empty Lord. However, that also leads me to think that his physical form may be 'hollow' or empty as such. Like if he were to have an exoskeleton.

 

 

 

I thought KC didn't follow any god. :P

[Randox]

Bolded parts:

 

1) Don't know about others, but as a follower of Zaros, I don't die. Ever

 

2) Wenlok, Kc ain't our friend, he's got a grudge with Zaros!

 

Well technically no one in RuneScape can die as they are immediately reborn again in Lumbridge. Anyway, I have a feeling that the afterlife for followers of Zaros (Zarosians?) is just nothing. It would sort of fit in with his status as the Empty Lord. However, that also leads me to think that his physical form may be 'hollow' or empty as such. Like if he were to have an exoskeleton.

 

 

 

I thought KC didn't follow any god. :P

 

 

 

Not entirly true (I think), and I belive this power fall sto Icthlarian. The god of the dead can refuse you death by old age, thus making you imortal (with the same restrictions as elves from the lord of the rings who can still be killed in battle), so it satnds to reason, he can prevent you coming back to life, at least without another influence such as a necromancer.

 

 

 

And as for Icthlarian looking like anubis, anubis was esentily the god of the dead (or almost, there might have been another god with thjat title)

[jamessweet60]

ok here is a peice of nolage that i found out that might help to make the 9th theory become closer to the truth. well here goes.

 

 

 

ok everyone who has done the first quest (rune mysteries quest) to be able to mine and craft runes as the runecrafting level. ok so you might think what am i saying but here goes. when you go to edgeville wilderness and talk to the zamarock mage he tells you to talk to him by the zammorck altar in varrock well when you goe there he will tell you a story (i will try to get full story from him to post here ). well in that story he says i think in these exact words "so the wizards of sardom are mass produceing stock piles of runes for the next god war." he goes on but ill get text up soon. but i think he really is hinting at a larger picture that was made more plainer to me that there might be a rs3 soon or a larger update then ever before ill get more typed later.

 

 

 

 

 

james

[KCHughes]

Hey, this brings up a pretty good debate: Which god is in control of resurrecting you in Lumbridge when you die?

 

 

 

I think I might have an answer. In my opinion, Icthlarin is the god of the dead, period, and its his decision to resurrect you in Lumbridge when you die. I know a lot of Saradominist NPCs say that Saradomin "catches his followers who die" or something like that, and respawns them in Lumbridge. But what about those who don't follow Saradomin, or any god? Icthlarin must handle that kind of thing.

 

 

 

However, Saradomin must be able to override Icthlarin on this matter, since its possible to die and be respawned in Falador if you do the Temple Knights' quest. Maybe some Saradominists, esp. those in Lumbridge, believe that Icthlarin is responsible for the respawning, but others, esp. those in Falador, believe the other way. Maybe this is the reason for the discrepancies in the Saradomin symbols, and these are two denominations of Saradominism. :-k

 

 

 

@jamessweet: I forgot that the Saradominists were preparing for a God War, too. #-o Now we now that political tensions between Saradomin and the Zamorak/Mahjarrat group are higher than ever. All it would take is some rogue wise old man to set off the war. Reminiscent of the Cold War...

 

 

 

2) Wenlok, Kc ain't our friend, he's got a grudge with Zaros!

 

 

 

What makes you think I have a grudge with Zaros? I carry no allegiences. :lol:

 

 

 

I thought KC didn't follow any god.

 

 

 

Right. I'm just a drifting pistolero trying to survive. :mrgreen:

[Xewleer]

Well, its been a theory that there would be a god war in the future, there has to be. If a cat and a dog are placed in a maze, alone, and they are bound to find each other and fight eventually, same with Zamorack and Saradomin.

 

 

 

Also, Kc raises an excellent point, its called the gaze of Saadomin (what lets yah respawn in Falador) and Saradomin might look after (gaze) at his followers and protect them that way. Sir Tiffy Cashien expresses dislike of Lumbridge, calling it to the effect of A dirty small town.

[KingWenlok]

Hey, this brings up a pretty good debate: Which god is in control of resurrecting you in Lumbridge when you die?

 

 

 

I think I might have an answer. In my opinion, Icthlarin is the god of the dead, period, and its his decision to resurrect you in Lumbridge when you die. I know a lot of Saradominist NPCs say that Saradomin "catches his followers who die" or something like that, and respawns them in Lumbridge. But what about those who don't follow Saradomin, or any god? Icthlarin must handle that kind of thing.

 

Yet, what if someone were to actually kill/destroy Icthlarin? That would upset the whole system, and may inevitably lead to mass outrage amongst non-Saradominists. They'd see it as a good cause to attack him, as they'll believe that he is the only one who could have conspiried to do this. But they'd be wrong, yet it would be too late to realise that they'd created a God War, blaming it on the wrong god! Thus why I believe that the WOM needs either the help of Zaros or Amascut. The death of Icthlarin (quite ironic, no?) would trigger a huge surge of hatred towards Saradominists.

 

 

 

However, Saradomin must be able to override Icthlarin on this matter, since its possible to die and be respawned in Falador if you do the Temple Knights' quest. Maybe some Saradominists, esp. those in Lumbridge, believe that Icthlarin is responsible for the respawning, but others, esp. those in Falador, believe the other way. Maybe this is the reason for the discrepancies in the Saradomin symbols, and these are two denominations of Saradominism.

 

However, would the Tower be Lumbridge Saradominists or Faladin Saradominists? If they are Lumbridge Saradominists, then maybe it is fact that Icthlarin brings Lumrbidge Saradominists back from the dead, and this could be used against them (as I've said about non-Saradominists). It is possible that the Tower will have a reason to blame Zamorakians, as they may believe they caused this. Now, whilst they are confused and fearing death, a band of black knights invades the Tower, slaughters everyone, nicks all their books, runes etc. and burns down the Tower. If that doesn't start it I don't know what will.

 

 

 

Right. I'm just a drifting pistolero trying to survive. :mrgreen:

 

And I'm just a rogue trying to make money out of hunting people down. Yet Zaros is quite awe inspiring. Come to the purple side KC... we have swordfish! :mrgreen:

 

 

 

dirty

 

And he was right, in so many ways.

[Randox]

There may be several powers that may even fight each other for control of the dead, and bringing them back.

 

 

 

Icthalarian can deny someone death, but it may be even guthix who is responsible for our coming back in lumbridge. Also, mortals practicing necromancy can bring bring things back, though maby not in a living form.

 

 

 

Also theres maligneus mortifers followers, while respawning is what monster npc's do, these ones are pointed out having the power of immortality. Mortifer points out that if you kill one, they come back to life, so there is a way for even elemental magics to revive someone.

 

 

 

It would be my guess though, that a death in a god war may be more permanent, either because the weapons used are so dangerous and powerfull they interfere with revival, or because the gods block each others power over resurecting the fallen (the later I belive is more likely).

[KCHughes]

Wenlok brings up a good point, but what if Icthlarin can't die? He was overthrown by Zaros, one of the two most powerful ancient gods, and yet is still around. Either Icthlarin's power over the dead can prevent him from dying, or Zaros knew that if he killed Icthlarin, then if he were to someday die (which is what eventually happened :wink: ) he would not get to come back.

 

 

 

Maybe, when the war starts, both sides will try to win Icthlarin over to their side so they can be in control of death. Whoever Icthlarin sides with will certainly win the war, which may be why the first God War lasted so long and was so destructive, because Icthlarin was in exile in the desert and everyone had forgotten about him, so it was a constant stalemate.

[Randox]

Im not sure why (I dont know the history) but Icthlarian is listed as a demi-god, not a god (meaning a mortal parent) so if any god can die its him. Iban is another demi god.

[Xewleer]

mmm? I thought that Icthlarin was part of that Sophamem (sp?) pantheon. He was a leader of majharrat and immortal, I'm pretty sure he's a god, just isn't a major god. The greeks had demi-gods who were immortal and deathless.

[Randox]

I suspect one of the panteon (a male i presume) screwed a mortal and had immortal off spring. Or the listing is wroung, which is possible since it dosent cite the parents.