Investigating the Wise Old Man

[Latinoking]

You were right, there are now 2 right outside Varrock's north gate, and 1 in the Jolly Boar. I wonder what's going on here...

 

 

 

where you guys meeting?

[skreeran1]

It's interesting that Varrock is only about 175 years old (that's about right, according to the Knowledge Base). That means that King Roald's family lineage is relatively young. That's only about 5 generations right there. WOM may himself be 200 or more years old. WOM has probably been alive through all 4 of Roald's ancestors, plus Roald. Interesting, don't you think?

 

 

 

How do you figure 200 years old?

[Latinoking]

It's interesting that Varrock is only about 175 years old (that's about right, according to the Knowledge Base). That means that King Roald's family lineage is relatively young. That's only about 5 generations right there. WOM may himself be 200 or more years old. WOM has probably been alive through all 4 of Roald's ancestors, plus Roald. Interesting, don't you think?

 

 

 

How do you figure 200 years old?

 

 

 

I think he guessed

[skreeran1]

It's interesting that Varrock is only about 175 years old (that's about right, according to the Knowledge Base). That means that King Roald's family lineage is relatively young. That's only about 5 generations right there. WOM may himself be 200 or more years old. WOM has probably been alive through all 4 of Roald's ancestors, plus Roald. Interesting, don't you think?

 

 

 

How do you figure 200 years old?

 

 

 

I think he guessed

 

 

 

Guessing isn't very wise when you're doing investigations.

 

 

 

But anyway, I recently thought of something: What is WOM is just like us? Your average adventurer, but has retired, this gives a reason for his loyalty to Saradomin, as well as his robbing the bank. I'm Saradominist, but I have lvl 45 thieving... If I could rob the RS Bank, I would. :XD:

 

 

 

This still doesn't give a reason for his taking 250 points of damage in the Swan Song quest though...

[Latinoking]

It's interesting that Varrock is only about 175 years old (that's about right, according to the Knowledge Base). That means that King Roald's family lineage is relatively young. That's only about 5 generations right there. WOM may himself be 200 or more years old. WOM has probably been alive through all 4 of Roald's ancestors, plus Roald. Interesting, don't you think?

 

 

 

How do you figure 200 years old?

 

 

 

I think he guessed

 

 

 

Guessing isn't very wise when you're doing investigations.

 

 

 

But anyway, I recently thought of something: What is WOM is just like us? Your average adventurer, but has retired, this gives a reason for his loyalty to Saradomin, as well as his robbing the bank. I'm Saradominist, but I have lvl 45 thieving... If I could rob the RS Bank, I would. :XD:

 

 

 

This still doesn't give a reason for his taking 250 points of damage in the Swan Song quest though...

 

 

 

He was an average adventurer I got pics to proof from swan song:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Latinoking]

I hope these pics help I can upload more if needed

 

 

 

edit: Note how he hits a 40 with Saradomin Strike on Drunken Dwaft

 

 

 

He is sooo powerful he can kill unattackable randoms

[Latinoking]

I got several questions:

 

 

 

1. What type of magic amour does Old Man use?

 

 

 

2. Where does it says Old Man dealth with MoonClan?

 

 

 

3. Why does WOM give tasks?

[Xewleer]

Firstly, could you please post it all on one or two at most posts, it keeps down the spam... thank you...

 

 

 

Ok! time for answers, in a recent Postbag (at least in the past 4 I think) there was a letter to Romeo on how he got his cape, which was moonclan, he said he picked it off a bench where an old man forgot it.

 

 

 

I don't know the armor, but it looks very much like a priests if you remember, the book written about him said he was up to learn about a priest. so maybe, priest garments?

 

 

 

He gives tasks to further his own goals.

 

 

 

 

 

(I am not your mate!) lol

[KCHughes]

It's interesting that Varrock is only about 175 years old (that's about right, according to the Knowledge Base). That means that King Roald's family lineage is relatively young. That's only about 5 generations right there. WOM may himself be 200 or more years old. WOM has probably been alive through all 4 of Roald's ancestors, plus Roald. Interesting, don't you think?

 

 

 

How do you figure 200 years old?

 

 

 

I know that the gypsy lady in Varrock square is 210 ish years old (she tells you to count the legs on the stools in the Blue Moon Inn and multiply that number by another number, 7 I think). And she doesn't look like it at all. Her hair is even gray, not white like WOM's is. That made me believe that WOM is older than she is. Plus, WOM has been all over the world and knows it better than anyone else. That's a task that takes a really long time to accomplish :P

[Randox]

Hold up on the tower, Randox. I think Lumbridge is the next place to go. It has the oddly-coloured Saradomin symbols all over the castle. The Tower is a good place to go for a culminating investigation, to tie up all the loose ends.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I shall hold up on the tower at your request. You are rigth, the tower should be the grand finaly. Besides lumbridge hasent suffered any proper scrutany this whole investigation.

 

 

 

Welcome to the investigation Latinoking.

 

 

 

I have all day tomarrow to do the investiagtion so the results should be up in about...oh...say in 12 hours from this post, give or take an hour. This is assuming I get up when the alarm goes off and not 2-3 hours later (I am really lazy in the we hours of the morning)

[Trobigod]

It's interesting that Varrock is only about 175 years old (that's about right, according to the Knowledge Base). That means that King Roald's family lineage is relatively young. That's only about 5 generations right there. WOM may himself be 200 or more years old. WOM has probably been alive through all 4 of Roald's ancestors, plus Roald. Interesting, don't you think?

 

 

 

How do you figure 200 years old?

 

 

 

I know that the gypsy lady in Varrock square is 210 ish years old (she tells you to count the legs on the stools in the Blue Moon Inn and multiply that number by another number, 7 I think). And she doesn't look like it at all. Her hair is even gray, not white like WOM's is. That made me believe that WOM is older than she is. Plus, WOM has been all over the world and knows it better than anyone else. That's a task that takes a really long time to accomplish :P

 

 

 

I did that in 3 monhs, may I remind you. :shame:

 

 

 

Also the soul rune/swirl symbol can be found in the Wizard's House in northeast Ardougne, I can't remember the wizard's name though. (I just posted this so it isn't spam). :D

[KingWenlok]

You were right, there are now 2 right outside Varrock's north gate, and 1 in the Jolly Boar. I wonder what's going on here...

 

I have the feeling that they may either be spying on Roald, or are possibly going to assassinate him. Due to the fact that there was one in the Jolly Boar, and then two others appeared, we may possibly be seeing more black knights soon. Possibly an invasion of Varrock to kill Roald? If he is the leader of our little Opus Saradomin, then having him out of the way would mean sure victory for Zamorakians over the Tower. So, the WOM might not need to lay a finger on it- he could just get an army of black knights and dark mages (strange that there are two dark mages at the Draynor willows with a black knight stationed close by) and have them destroy the Tower. It would be a better ploy to get the Saradominists and Zamorakians fighting against each other, as if he were to raid the Tower, there are high possibilities that someone would see him an escape his grasp. The WOM must not let anything ruin the plan.

 

 

 

Also the soul rune/swirl symbol can be found in the Wizard's House in northeast Ardougne, I can't remember the wizard's name though. (I just posted this so it isn't spam).

 

It might not be just witches then- it could be just magic users. Hmmm... wasn't/isn't magic condemned by the Christian Church? I'm not quite sure what having magic tied in with a symbol of the Gielinor apocalypse may mean.

 

 

 

Oh, and KC, that little thing directed at me is going in my signature. :lol:

 

 

 

ETA: I did a little investigation of the Jolly Boar. Some images for you to ponder on:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Strange, these seem to be coloured in the colours of Guthix, yet have Saradominist symbols on them.

 

 

 

 

Saradomin shield thingamajig.

 

 

 

 

Oh lovely, a carpet full of black Saradomin symbols!

 

 

 

 

Some more carpets. Interestingly, in total I count four carpets downstairs. There's the dreaded number again...

 

 

 

 

Our very own black knight.

[Randox]

Looking at Wenlocks pictures I sudenly rember why I should investigate on high detail.

 

 

 

Now, I propose a pratical explanation as to why ther are dark wizzards at the draynor willows. Rather than be a part of the plot, I belive them to be anti-macro devices, since most macros are level 3 and the dark wizards are aggresive. This makes it immposible for low level macros to train at the draynor willows without interuptions. Now maby they are both what I suspect and part of the plot. I heading out for lumbrige now, let the investigating begin!

[Randox]

Now, Part 3/3 of the "Citys with castles" investigation by Randox.

 

 

 

This one is diferent than the other 2. Because there is truly nothing to outstanding (as always this is not entirly true, there is a mystery) I have decided to focus mainly on symbols. Now I must state that my symbol reference is from the construction skill guide, where it shows what crests can be assigned to the player. I have assumed that this is the most offical symbol guide I can find, as no other symbols have been confirmed in there meaning by TB@JT.

 

 

 

[hide=Click for symbol refference sheet]

 

 

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Now you will notice that only varrock has its own symbol aside from the one for the kingdom, falador uses the symbol of asgarnia, and lumbridge, well I'll get to that. Lumbridge, since it dose not seem to have its own symbol, should use the symbol of misthalin, which is green and purple, and bears the shape simaler to an X. It dose not, as you see in the picture bellow Lumbridge uses the colors blue and silver and the symbol shape of...wait for it...Kandarin?

 

 

 

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I would propose that this is a new symbol, that must now be player classifyed. Perhaps one of our members would be so nice as to supply us with some useful background information on the city Kandarin, I will see what I can dig up on the runescape website myself. Weather this is a happy coincedence or something more sinister shall be told once I have reserched this city more myself. Note: the area guides have no information on the city kandarin.

 

 

 

So now we have a possible connection to a city I know nothing about (theres a first time for everything I suppose)

 

 

 

Lets take a break from the seriousness of the investigation and look at my pics from around town. With little bits of info and my thoughts of course.

 

 

 

[hide=CLick for archive of around town pics]

 

[hide=Fred the farmer]

 

 

Just a local farmer who belives there is some "Thing" out there that wants to eat his chickens. He refuses to belive in the penguins. I belive he has 23 sheep, including the penguins, rams, and lambs.

 

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[hide=Goblin House]

 

 

This house has been taken over by goblins. As we can see from the ruins, the house was once bigger but has deteriorated over time.

 

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[hide=The new cows]

 

 

These are just incase you havent seen the new cow design. I hadent noticed the new look and figured maby you guys hadent either so I posted this pic.

 

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[hide=Water wheel]

 

 

The water turns the wheel but that wheel powers nothing. But I think it looks cool and thats why its here.

 

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[hide=View of castle]

 

 

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Um..this is basicly to give you an idea of what the castle looks like from way up on top of the main (and only) gates tot he castle.

 

 

 

[hide=Wall banner]

 

 

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Here is the infamous wall banner that could mean nothing. As I have staed before, I only know of this banner appearing in varrock, lumbridge, and the dark wizard tower. There might be more places, but I think theres more of these banneres here than in the varrock palace.

 

 

 

 

 

[hide=Entance]

 

 

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Now were into some neat stuff and really most of the focus of the rest of the investigation. We all rember the red and black saradomin carpet symbol, well lumbrige has that, but it also has the carpet in blue and silver, what I belive to be the towns colours. Since this is high detail, it could be meaningless or not.

 

 

 

[hide=Dining room]

 

 

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Now this is interesting. Look at the table, there are 2 big chairs that look like there for the king. This is the plot part of my investigation, and really the part you guys should be paying attention too. I have found evidence to there being a queen of Lumbridge, either that of the advisor, sigmond, gets the same bed and chair as the king (not likely).

 

 

 

[hide=Kings room]

 

 

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Well its the kings room and its here for comaprison to what I belive to be the queens room (See below). Now if I am right, where is the queen. Although come to think of it she wouldnt be a queen because Lumbvridge has no King, it has a Duke. Lumbridge still reports in part to Varrock, where the only King in misthalin resides. So what do you call a female Duke? (Dutches maby). Anyways, she isent there unless I'm going blind.

 

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[hide=Queens Room?]

 

 

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Now KingWenlock had informed me I might see a sun, on one of the banners maby? ANyway I saw no such thing, so either give specific directions or post a screenie.

 

 

 

I do appoligise for eradic capitals and poor spelling, I hope it dose not cause manby problems. I hape you all enjoy this as much as the last 2 investiugations, and is there anyplace else I should be going before the tower, because I definatly have more time on my hands than you guys.

 

 

 

And I would request (after seeing the results) that pictures be posted using the 'hide code'

 

 

 

Heres the format:

 

[hide=(what you put here is the clickable title of your hide)]

[img=(img url here)]

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It just keeps me and everyone else from having to scroll alot on one page and lord have mecy on someone who tries to load page 59 on dial-up if all the hide codes were removed :ohnoes:

 

 

 

I personaly have a little over 21 mb of poictures relating to this investigation (would be large if I saved the non croped pics, but I crop before saving)

 

 

 

Thank-You

[Latinoking]

I will work on pics

 

 

 

EDIT: I got pics which might or might not surpise you :|

 

 

 

[hide=The Castle Standards and Frontal View]

 

 

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What's wierd is the sheild is not the colores of red/white

 

 

 

[hide=Castle Standards View 2][/hide]

 

 

 

Rangers up top wearing to strike

 

 

 

[hide=Saradomin Carpet pt.1][/hide]

 

 

 

[hide=Saradomin Carpet pt.2][/hide]

 

 

 

[hide=Red Saradomin Carpet][/hide]

 

 

 

[hide=The Bathroom King of E.A.][/hide]

 

 

 

[hide=The King of E.A][/hide]

 

 

 

[hide=The Church of E.A][/hide]

 

 

 

[hide=Saradomins Paladins][/hide]

 

 

 

[hide=Warriors][/hide]

 

 

 

[hide=Evil Mage from W.A][/hide]

 

 

 

[hide=Church from W.A][/hide]

 

 

 

[hide=The Current Leader of W.A][/hide]

 

 

 

 

 

I went right away to the castle when I saw the post of member's help and I did

 

 

 

I tried to point out most of the aspects of my investagation and I think I came up with the Ardougue is Saradomin's City just like Falador/Varrock/Lumbridge

 

 

 

Thoughts on My Pics?

 

 

 

Infomation From Runescape Knowledge Base:

 

Kandarin

 

Kandarin is the most westerly of the human nations, and by far the most complex.The capital, Ardougne, is divided down the middle and large dark walls mark this clearly. This is the result of the former king's decision to split his kingdom between both of his sons. Now, King Lathas rules the prosperous eastern half of the city while King Tyras has largely abandoned his side to lead a crusade through the Underground Pass.

 

 

 

On top of the feuding of the two kings of Kandarin, the lands themselves are oddly perforated with the outposts and settlements of other races. South of Ardougne is the Tree Gnome Village, an odd maze designed to protect the gnomes within from invasion. Still further south, past Yanille, are the ogre city of Gu'Tanoth and the Feldip Hills; ogres have little concept of borders, though, and can be found in their small tribes dotted around the fields near Yanille.

 

 

 

Despite the odd characteristics that seem to govern Kandarin, it is a wealthy nation and easily as powerful as Misthalin. Ardougne's wealth is supported by the various industries of Yanille, Seers' Village and Catherby, as well as by trading with the other nations around and within Kandarin's borders. There are even rumours that Kandarin has connections with the mysterious lands west of the mountains, where no human has set foot since the God Wars

[KingWenlok]

Now KingWenlock had informed me I might see a sun, on one of the banners maby? ANyway I saw no such thing, so either give specific directions or post a screenie.

 

I apologise Randox- I thought the sun symbol was on the two banners of the entrance to Lumbridge coming from Draynor, however it is not. I will investigate Lumbridge and all surrounding areas though, as I'm 99% sure I saw that symbol somewhere. Oh, and that symbol on the Asgarnian banner looks rather like a sun doesn't it? :wink: Of course, they are using the old ray drawing- the symbol on the Faladin rock uses triangles for the rays of the sun. I still find it rather curious though.

 

 

 

Good job on those pictures Randox. Just so you know, something similar to the Kandarin symbol is in Melzar's Maze- on a shield stuck on the inner wall, in fact. I don't think you would need a key to see it. About the carpets- I had a look at pictures of the castle wars portal entrance rooms, and found three carpets exactly like this one (thanks for the image Randox). However, they were painted in the colours of the three gods- blue for Saradomin, green for Guthix (the random portal) and red for Zamorak. Oddly, the carpet in that picture is red. Why would Zamorakian carpets be in Lumbridge castle? I also believe that Guthix may have some small influence over Varrock, as there are green carpets in the Jolly Boar. Could Guthixi (I actually quite like that) spies be operating in the inn? Perhaps there is also an Opus Guthix? And finally, as for the duchess- haven't a clue what to make of it. I do find it interesting though, and it seems like it's going to pave way for a quest.

[Randox]

Latinoking excelent pics. . In the first one I notice the sheilds on the wall are IDENTICLE to the ones in Lumbridge. Now I am starting to wonder where Lumbridges loyalties are. Again, maby it's a coincedence but I think not.

 

 

 

EDIT: It has sudely occured to me that Kandarin is a kingdom not a city #-o

[Latinoking]

Latinoking excelent pics. . In the first one I notice the sheilds on the wall are IDENTICLE to the ones in Lumbridge. Now I am starting to wonder where Lumbridges loyalties are. Again, maby it's a coincedence but I think not.

 

 

 

EDIT: It has sudely occured to me that Kandarin is a kingdom not a city #-o

 

 

 

Thank You :D Yes I was wondering about that too the sheilds are the color of lumbridge were look like the colors of Saradomin.

 

 

 

If their's need to go back or check out another Kingdom I will proudly do it

 

 

 

I think I can find information In Morytania, but I will need to do more quests

[Xewleer]

I couldn't find anything in Morytania, and unless you can get past the aberrant spectres I don't there is a chance of finding anything... though, I have been very wrong before. I hope you can find what I missed.

 

 

 

Also, I remember that the colors of Lumbridge weren't always this way, they had a different symbol if memory serves.

[Randox]

Xewleer you could be right that the symbols were changed in the graphics update on Lumbridge so long ago. But I think that the new symbols more accuratly reflect the plots being thought up by TB@JT than the old symbols would have. I wonder if my time would be well spent investigating port sarim and rimmington. I might take a look at those places tommarow.

[Latinoking]

Xewleer you could be right that the symbols were changed in the graphics update on Lumbridge so long ago. But I think that the new symbols more accuratly reflect the plots being thought up by TB@JT than the old symbols would have. I wonder if my time would be well spent investigating port sarim and rimmington. I might take a look at those places tommarow.

 

 

 

if you want you can private message me so we can cover more ground or anybody else involved in this investigation

[KCHughes]

Wow, what a wealth of new information. I'll try to organize this post as best as I can.

 

 

 

First off, I noticed from the pictures provided by our fearless investigators showed matching armor in both Kandarin and Lumbridge: The suits of armor, white with a red trim around the shield, and a yellow plume on the helmet. That appears to be Kandarin's colors, especially the shield, but what on earth is it doing in Lumbridge?

 

 

 

Anway, the carpets. I noticed that both the red and green carpets, the colors of Zamorak and Guthix, also had black symbols of Saradomin on them. Wenlok and Randox probably remember, but for those that don't, the three of us went through the wilderness looking for clues, and inside the Chaos temple in the northwest part of the Wildy there were red carpets with black Saradomin symbols on them. And we all thought it was incredibly weird. The symbols have turned up on carpets in Lumbridge and Kandarin, too. The Chaos temple also had windows with trees in them, correct? Now, Guthix is sometimes called the god of Nature. A tree would be a prime candidate for a representation of Guthix. Black symbols of Saradomin turning up in major cities, and inside a Zamorakian temple with possible ties to Guthix. I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions. :mrgreen:

 

 

 

I find it weird that Misthalin's colors are purple and green, because I have never seen the color purple anywhere in Varrock.

 

 

 

I also forgot that King Roald might be the leader of Opus Saradomin, that would aid WOM a whole lot when destroying the tower. The black knights are pretty much begging to be blamed for something like that.

 

 

 

I've concluded that WOM is Joe, Wenlok. See how cleverly he's playing both sides against each other? :P

 

 

 

And welcome Latinoking, another member added.

[Randox]

Ok, my plan for tommarow is to investigate: Port Sarim, Rimmington, and if I feel like the lands and building surrounding both towns. I'll post tommarow in maby 15 hours from this post, depending on when I wake up.

[Xewleer]

Dont forget there is a chapel between Rimmington and Sarim, pay close attention to that, it has the stf were talking about I believe.

[chad197]

I'm back! After a break from runescape I've come back.

 

And I Investigated draynor manor, which proved interesting as the carpets have got those funny symbols on it ...