Artisan Workshop

[Urza285]

Ok be prepared to be amazed... I have never once done this EVER!

 

What is the best way to get all the rewards without wasting too much time or money? If you can please include a rough estimate on how many ores to buy to get all the rewards that would be nice.

[Sy_Accursed]

There is 3 basic options to go for:

 

Cannon Repairs best cost:xp (to my knowledge) but not brilliant xp:hr

Ceremonial Sword making best xp:hr but insanely high gp:xp

Armour making good balance of cost:xp:hr.

 

Doing Addy ingot 1 armours in the rear area of the top floor and strictly sticking to making the item the foreman calls out so you get the bonus xp rate is a fairly afk and easy way to earn the rewards.

 

You earn around 1% favour per 10k xp.

440% is needed to buy all the rewards.

305.8 xp per addy ingot 1 (using the base 10% boost for bonus items that can be raised through some of the rewards)

So about 33 ingots per 1%

14,520 ingots for all rewards roughly

Addy ingot 1 is 1 addy ore 6 coal, assuming prices haven't changed much 1k addy ingots is around 3m so 43.5m would be a rough estimate of cost.

 

Of course making sure you buy the rewards that boost armour making bonus first is the best route to go using this method, and should knock ingots needed down quite a bit.

660 ignots to buy first boost (20% cost) for 12% takes it to 311.3xp per ingot. So nearer 32 per 1%

1280 at new rate to buy second boost (40% cost) for 14%, 316.9 per ingot. 31.5 per 1%, so basically still 32.

Third boost is at 60% cost so 1920 more ignots, resulting in 15% boost 319.7 per ingot about 31 per 1%

Total of 120% done leaving 320% for remaining rewards.

9920 more ingots.

So that'd be 13,780 ingots total for 41.1m rough cost.

[Poppet]

Do ceremonial swords, work in adamant or in mithril, 10-20gp per xp.

 

Kill ancestors and fix break pipes, get quick repairs then repairs expert, doesn't matter on other rewards.

 

Should be around 44-88 million in adamant minus the respect you get from pipes and ancestors.

 

Like 1300+ swords.

[Sy_Accursed]

Hmm I guess with price shifts ceremonial swords became a lot cheaper, than I remembered! Though of course it does rely on getting 100% regularly.

[Urza285]

Wow I'm not sure if I want to spend that much money yet.

[Quyneax]

Swords are a little better than addy plates, but not at all afk. Armour is a little worse, but very afk. Adamant ingots iv and iii respectively.

[Sy_Accursed]

Swords are a little better than addy plates, but not at all afk. Armour is a little worse, but very afk. Adamant ingots iv and iii respectively.

 

Worth noting in terms of cost doing ingot III armours is much less cost efficient than doing ingot I.

Bulk of the cost on addy is the addy ore.

Ingot I is 1 addy ore for 278 base xp

Ingot II is 3 addy ore for 455 base xp (151.6 per ore)

Ingot III is 4 addy ore for 568 base xp (142 per ore)

 

Ingot I is nearly twice as much xp per ore, so overall works out around 1/2 the cost of doing Ingot III but will obviously take longer to complete.

[Quyneax]

In terms of cost, much less cost and efficient... you're messed up :P. You mean cheap, not cost efficient. Ingot iii is a lot faster than i, it can cost quite a bit more. I think i is so slow you really should be superheating or even just smelting gold.

 

Ofc the OP doesn't need smithing xp, but with a max cape you should be able to make some decent gp/hr.

[Sy_Accursed]

To me cost efficient means gp:xp

Time efficient means xp:hr

Efficient in general means the balance of gp:xp and xp:hr in relation to income:hr

 

As such it is much less cost efficient, because it costs much more.

Plus as the OP already pointed out he's not ready to spend 40+m (which is the cost I showed ingot I to be roughly) it is worth pointing out to him that ingot III costs near twice as much as ingot I.

[Urza285]

Honestly I don't need the xp and I'm only doing this for the completionist trim when I come to it. My only concern is spending a large amount of cash or time on it so I'm trying to find the middle ground for me which honestly is looking like that 40m spending.

[Quyneax]

To me cost efficient means gp:xp

Time efficient means xp:hr

Efficient in general means the balance of gp:xp and xp:hr in relation to income:hr

Time = money

gp:xp = time:xp

time:xp = 1/xp:hr

Hence your cost efficient and time efficient are effectively the same, just turned around (xp:hr and hr:xp).

 

It doesn't matter what it means 'to you'. If you mean cheap, just say cheap. If you mean efficient, just say efficient. There's absolutely no need to use any difficult words here.

[Sy_Accursed]

To me cost efficient means gp:xp

Time efficient means xp:hr

Efficient in general means the balance of gp:xp and xp:hr in relation to income:hr

Time = money

gp:xp = time:xp

time:xp = 1/xp:hr

Hence your cost efficient and time efficient are effectively the same, just turned around (xp:hr and hr:xp).

 

It doesn't matter what it means 'to you'. If you mean cheap, just say cheap. If you mean efficient, just say efficient. There's absolutely no need to use any difficult words here.

 

It's hardly difficult terminology, it's much less complicated than the definition you outlined.

Efficient implies the best option going. Cost implies, well cost.

Therefore Cost Efficient implies the lowest cost way to do things. It is efficient in cost.

 

Also I did not say efficient because I did not mean efficient. I said cost efficient because I meant cost efficient. Basic English that the adverb/adjective alters it from just plain efficient. I use it in the meaning it is given by basic English grammar and syntax rules pure and simple.

[Urza285]

Cost efficient is like doing serums for herblore while time efficient is doing overloads. Capiche?

[Quyneax]

Time = money

gp:xp = time:xp

time:xp = 1/xp:hr

Hence your cost efficient and time efficient are effectively the same, just turned around (xp:hr and hr:xp).

 

It doesn't matter what it means 'to you'. If you mean cheap, just say cheap. If you mean efficient, just say efficient. There's absolutely no need to use any difficult words here.

 

It's hardly difficult terminology, it's much less complicated than the definition you outlined.

Efficient implies the best option going. Cost implies, well cost.

Therefore Cost Efficient implies the lowest cost way to do things. It is efficient in cost.

:rolleyes:

 

As I said, time = money. Hence cost efficient = least amount of time spent overall.

 

It's not the word 'time' or 'cost' here that matters, it's the word 'efficient'. Efficient means the same no matter what adverb you use, because by definition it takes into account the whole method, including making the money. The three words you are looking for are cheap, fast and efficient. Using adverbs does nothing and only makes it less clear what you mean.

[Sy_Accursed]

The adverb does alter it though.

Cost efficient means efficient for cost.

Time efficient means efficient for time.

 

Efficient stood alone may take into account the whole method, but adverbs offer conditions and qualities that narrow the meaning. By applying is does not by definition mean the whole method, it means the aspect of the method which the adverb referenced.

 

In the basic meaning of the words cost efficient it means it is cheap. There is nothing wrong with that.

You can complicate matter by expanding upon what you deem cost to be beyond the basic the price to do it is x, accounting for net profit or lose based on incoming values and such; I chose not to.

Cost efficient still perfectly well, in basic English means cheap to do.

To me that is perfectly clear and I have seen no-one take any issue with it except you. It is not complicating matters or being unclear, the meanings of the words convey exactly what I desired them too unless you infer other factors upon them.

 

But this is becoming off-topic waffle, the words I wrote mean precise what I want them to. If you want to impose other factors upon them which I did not suggest and thus complicate matter it is your doing, not a flaw of my word choice.

[Hedgehog]

Efficiency = output/input

 

An adverb before efficient specifies what the input is.

 

But, please, don't say cost efficient. Cost has to be one of the most broad words in the English language. It doesn't mean spending money; it means giving something up. If you were forced to, say gp efficient. Or better yet, say cheap, since it's ten times more clear.

[enfield]

The most valuable ratio to the most people is xp/time. and it seems so much more valuable than the other calculable ratios (xp/gp, xp/action) that i think anyone wanting those numbers for things is likely confused about what they want and should be gently persuaded that the xp/time data is what would be more useful to them.

 

so, i'm in agreement with quyneax on this one. no adverbs are necessary. it doesn't seem like a bad idea to have a sticky about efficiency on help and advice though so grave errors like mistaking 'cost efficient' for 'cheap' don't start debates into the nature of efficiency. (instead we'd be able to direct those people to a thread that we all agree on :)).

 

this would also help put to rest the more subtle ongoing disputes people have with each other about efficiency.

[Urza285]

I disagree and efficiency means something different to everyone so I think there is a continuum. Efficiency could go either ways in saving more time or more money and I believe that depending on how the person wishes they would like to sped their resources (money, time and even raw materialsn) they could fall anywhere on the continuum.

[enfield]

while 'it's a continuum' can succinctly explain a lot of things fairly well i think, i'm not sure efficiency as it relates to rs is one of them.

 

i really like the point hedgehog made though - defining efficiency as the function which inputs two variables and outputs their quotient (compares them) sounds really good to me. i think it establishes very clear foundations for efficiency discussion

 

so, efficiency(x,y)=x/y.

[Urza285]

I got around to doing the math and figured I could use my kingdom for the coal and skim from that. All I'll have to do is spend 22.7m on addy ore and I'll have everything I need for this.

[Fallstar]

Efficiency is pretty simple to me. You choose your overall goal, giving you an end point and a start point. Whatever gets you from your start point to your endpoint fastest is most efficient. If you want to say that in a mathsy way, the xp per hour and xp/gp are what matters for any particular method, you can't just say xp/gp is meaningless as depending on your money making method, different methods of training will get you to your endpoint fastest overall including the time taken to make the money. In an ideal world we'd all be dice hosts capable of training with 10K APM methods, but thats not reality.