Glacors

[Sir_Squab]

Was reading a thread here about getting charms, and someone reccomended Glacors. I figure, hey, charms are nice. Profit is nice.

 

Not sure how to do Glacors effectively. I was decent at them pre-EoC but I'd like more current advice.

 

I have access to almost anything mage gear wise, except Virtus/Seasinger/Subjugation armour and MA rings. (And probably one or two things I can't think of off the top of my head.)

 

Mostly wondering what abilities to use and when.

 

Oh and familiar too. Iron titan/uni/pack yack?

[be_my_frend0]

I use full ahrims with wand of treachery and mage's book, am planning to upgrade to ahrims books and sub robes shortly. I generally use all the offensive mage basics, and if you use metamorphis ability just as the glacytes come you can kill them with basics and then as they die unleash a threshold on the glacor.

 

This can only be done on half of the glacors though because it takes too long to refresh. The others I just use basics and wild magic+asphyxiate thresholds. These can be used on the enduring glacyte to kill it quickly, and this is the one you should kill first. The chain basic ability also helps to kill the glacytes. Usually I kill them enduring > sapping > unstable, and can kill them all before the explosion. Use abilities on the enduring to make sure it dies first though.

 

I use overloads, ss and blood barrage, and usually go to far south east corner as there are 3 there that people rarely kill, and on low population worlds I need 3 spawns even with welfare gear.

[iBe]

I have no experience with them in EOC and have some questions myself. Is Fire Surge still the best spell? How much better are abilities compared to momentum?

[Sir_Squab]

To my understanding, Bloodfire Barrage > Fire Surge. Notice that I said bloodFIRE barrage and not blood barrage. Bloodfire Barrage counts as a fire spell post EoC.

 

To the best of my knowledge, in general, abilities > momentum for killing. Momentum is mainly good when you're fighting monsters so weak you barely have time for abilities anyways. Basically, mobs = momentum, bosses or pseudo bosses = abilitiles. (I'm not sure how accurate this is tho.)

[Quyneax]

The best method is virtus wand + book, void or virtus (I don't know which is best, sorry), blood barrage, overload, torment, superior scrimshaw of the elements.

 

You Asphyxiate the glacor first. If it hits low, use Impact at the fourth hit. The glacytes will come out now.

For the glacytes, barrage the Enduring - damaging the other two - and finish with Chain. If the other glacytes are close to dying after barraging, use Wrack before Chain to make sure Enduring dies first - freeform this a bit, the Enduring may not die last. Chain has the lovely delay which makes sure the primary target dies first.

After the glacytes, use Wild Magic and follow up with Concentrated Blast to kill the glacor. Wrack may be needed to finish the job.

 

Rinse, repeat. The east area with 3 glacors in a triangle is a good place to start, but there's often noobs luring around the pillar there, which can cost you a spawn.

 

If you're fast, you will finish the glacytes and get Wild Magic off before Asphyxiate comes off the cooldown, so there's no need for ultimates at any time, the rotation fits pretty closely.

[Vezon Dash]

abilities > momentum for everything (melee, mage, ranged)

 

momentum > abilities for barraging/chinning mobs

[iBe]

The best method is virtus wand + book, void or virtus (I don't know which is best, sorry), blood barrage, overload, torment, superior scrimshaw of the elements.

 

You Asphyxiate the glacor first. If it hits low, use Impact at the fourth hit. The glacytes will come out now.

For the glacytes, barrage the Enduring - damaging the other two - and finish with Chain. If the other glacytes are close to dying after barraging, use Wrack before Chain to make sure Enduring dies first - freeform this a bit, the Enduring may not die last. Chain has the lovely delay which makes sure the primary target dies first.

After the glacytes, use Wild Magic and follow up with Concentrated Blast to kill the glacor. Wrack may be needed to finish the job.

 

Rinse, repeat. The east area with 3 glacors in a triangle is a good place to start, but there's often noobs luring around the pillar there, which can cost you a spawn.

 

If you're fast, you will finish the glacytes and get Wild Magic off before Asphyxiate comes off the cooldown, so there's no need for ultimates at any time, the rotation fits pretty closely.

 

Unless they deal serious damage then I'm sure void is your best choice.

[Sir_Squab]

Well I almost died twice in void. Dunno how much of this is due to my own experience. Virtus gives a hell of a lot more defence and still gives a set effect iirc. Oh and prayer bonus... I swapped out guthix cape for nomad's cape because my prayer bonus was abysmally low.

 

EDIT: Oh and according to RS wiki, void gives +5% accuracy and damage, while Virtus gives 10% damage. Damnit now I want virtus.

[Quyneax]

If you see the previous topic on void http://forum.tip.it/topic/319749-void/ you see we can't really tell whether void > virtus or not. Virtus has 10% extra weapon damage, sure, but we don't know where the void multiplies goes exactly. Damage is weapon damage + level + boosted level bonus - Virtus is 10% of weapon damage, Void 5% of the total damage?

[Sir_Squab]

Weird. Also, I'm slow becoming convinced my internet connection isn't good enough for bossing. Oh shit exploding glacyte is about to explode. Hey, that's the perfect time for 2 second of lag! -.-

[Quyneax]

You can generally kill the unstable before it blows up anyway, but if you can't avoid the explosion or the big ice spike attack thingy, that doesn't matter, you can afford to take that damage.

[iBe]

Weird. Also, I'm slow becoming convinced my internet connection isn't good enough for bossing. Oh shit exploding glacyte is about to explode. Hey, that's the perfect time for 2 second of lag! -.-

That would annoy the hell out of me. I wish steel titan was still as useful here as it used to be. I wish steel titan was still useful.

[Sir_Squab]

You can generally kill the unstable before it blows up anyway, but if you can't avoid the explosion or the big ice spike attack thingy, that doesn't matter, you can afford to take that damage.

 

Huh? I mean, I can kill unstable easy, the hard part is making sure enduring dies first. And what do you mean I can take that damage - some kills, I take way more damage then my health absorbing can cover...

 

Also what aura would you reccomend?

 

How well do penance and vampyrism work?

[Th e Doctor]

Vamp is considered the best last I checked for glakkers, penance got kinda nerfed a while back.

[Quyneax]

Penance is good as you don't need vampirism, and @Squab you should be able to do Enduring > Sap/Unstable before Unstable blows up, at least with wand+book you can.

[Chwish]

For me, enduring always dies first as long as its the one that your select to attack. Also, unstable explodes maybe 1/20 kills for me using Treachery/Grifolic Orb.

[X3EN]

Here is what I have experienced doing a glacor run:

1. DW helps really much, staff is just too slow and that highly decreases effectiveness of BfB.

2. Kiting makes a notable difference in damage received.

3. Soul split does not work for me on glacors/glacytes. By 'does not work' I mean that there is a SS icon overhead, but while dealing damage no animation is shown. LPs also do not increase (stay the same). On the other hand, another player with full virtus used SS just fine (icon, animation, healing).

4. If you do not attack enduring asap, you receive a ~2-3x damage penalty, which makes killing glacytes a real pain, since you must avoid BfB because it deals too much damage to other glacytes.

[Plays with fire]

Here is what I have experienced doing a glacor run:

1. DW helps really much, staff is just too slow and that highly decreases effectiveness of BfB.

2. Kiting makes a notable difference in damage received.

3. Soul split does not work for me on glacors/glacytes. By 'does not work' I mean that there is a SS icon overhead, but while dealing damage no animation is shown. LPs also do not increase (stay the same). On the other hand, another player with full virtus used SS just fine (icon, animation, healing).

4. If you do not attack enduring asap, you receive a ~2-3x damage penalty, which makes killing glacytes a real pain, since you must avoid BfB because it deals too much damage to other glacytes.

 

In regards to #4 this is what I do:

Tag enduring, then hit it with combust as you step back and group them. Sometimes I'll throw chain into the mix just to hit all three, but Blood fire barrage should kill them all off before unstable pops and enduring will usually die first due to DOT from combust. If it looks like he won't, then use wrack to ensure he does. As a user posted before, unstable rarely pops for me unless I mess up or get hung up by environment or something

 

I've no idea why ss isn't working for you though... Bug?